Is this meta abuse?
posted by Oscarmeyer
2000-09-12 02:57:16
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Kind of a whiney log (even I admit it). I miss kill on sleeping afk Andel *gigg
(Whine mode on, be warned)

* W S C>n
The Inner Yard
A well-crafted white fountain is here, water pouring forth from it.
A great dark-grey horse stamps restively.
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* is sleeping here.
Exits: East South.

* W S C>b elf
backstab elf
You begin to move silently to the back of your victim...

You feel yourself exposed.
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* makes a strange sound, as you place a slender dagger
in his back.

* W S C *Andel the Sindarin Elf*:Wounded>sniff
fl
You sniff sadly. *SNIFF*

* W S C *Andel the Sindarin Elf*:Wounded>e
You flee head over heels.
The Waiting Room
Exits: North South West.

* W S C>w
bThe Inner Yard
A well-crafted white fountain is here, water pouring forth from it.
A great dark-grey horse stamps restively.
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* is standing here.
Exits: East South.

* W S C> elf
backstab elf
You cannot attack and flee at the same time.

* W S C>!
[backstab elf]
You begin to move silently to the back of your victim...

*Andel the Sindarin Elf* panics, and attempts to flee.
Your victim has disappeared!
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* leaves east.

* W S C>e
b The Waiting Room
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* is standing here.
Exits: North South West.

* W S C>elf
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* leaves west.

* W S C>
backstab elf
Backstab whom?

* W S C>w
b The Inner Yard
A well-crafted white fountain is here, water pouring forth from it.
A great dark-grey horse stamps restively.
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* is standing here.
Exits: East South.

* W S C>elf

*Andel the Sindarin Elf* picks up a horse of the Rohirrim's reins, and starts
riding him.

* W S C>*Andel the Sindarin Elf* leaves south riding a horse of the Rohirrim.
backstab elf
Backstab whom?
Saving Oscarmeyer.

* W S C>s
Master Road
Exits: North East West.

* W S C>e
Master Road
A vicious little bandit advances towards you.
Exits: North West.
You smell blood.

* W S C>n
Main Street
Exits: North East South.

* W S C>n
n
Main Street
A woman is here, looking for someone to chat with.
Exits: North South.

* W S C>n
Main Street
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* is here, riding a horse of the Rohirrim.
Exits: East South West.

* W S C>
Alas, you cannot go that way...
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* leaves east riding a horse of the Rohirrim.

* W S C>
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* has arrived from the east riding a horse of the
Rohirrim.

* W S C>we
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* leaves east riding a horse of the Rohirrim.

* W S C Mana:Hot>yell were afk I mean
Ok.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Tracked, he got in shady, I should have spammed there to begin with>>>>>>>>>>>>
* * W S C Mana:Hot>Before the North Gate of Tharbad
One of the citizens of Tharbad looks at you from the corner of his eye.
Exits: North East South West.
You suddenly notice the Assassin.

* W S C Mana:Hot>s
The Assassin leaves east.

* W S C Mana:Hot>
s
Main Street
Exits: North East South.

* W S C Mana:Hot>s
s
Main Street
Exits: North South West.

* W S C Mana:Hot>Main Street
Exits: North South.

* W S C Mana:Hot>*Andel the Sindarin Elf* yells 'yeah'

On the Bridge
One of the citizens of Tharbad looks at you from the corner of his eye.
Exits: North South.

* W S C Mana:Hot>s
Main Street
Exits: North East South.

* W S C Mana:Hot>e
e
The Black Moon Street
Exits: East West.

* W S C Mana:Hot>yellThe Black Moon Street
Exits: North East West.
You smell blood.

* W S C Mana:Hot> if not for
*Andel the Sindarin Elf* yells 'kinda'

* W S C Mana:Hot>
The citizen has arrived from the east.

* W S C Mana:Hot> panic you would have ripped :)
Ok.

* W S C Mana:Hot>op wooden
n
Ok.

* R W S C Mana:Hot>Before the North Gate of Tharbad
Exits: North East South West.
<<<<<<<<<<ok, watch and see who hits first>>>>>>>>>>>>

* R W S C Mana:Hot>n
Inside the North Gate of Tharbad
A secretary is sitting at the desk.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
Exits: North South.

* R W S C Mana:Burning>2
Saving Oscarmeyer.

* R W S C Mana:Burning>
3
unlock gate
*click*

* R W S C Mana:Burning>op gate
Ok.

* R W S C Mana:Burning>n
nOutside the North Gate of Tharbad
A finch flies low above the ground.
The White Eagle is standing here.
Exits: North South.
A finch panics, and attempts to flee.
A finch leaves north.

* R W S C Mana:Burning>
Approaching the North Gate of Tharbad
A beggar is here, asking for a few coins.
A finch flies low above the ground.
Exits: North East South.
A finch panics, and attempts to flee.

* R W S C Mana:Burning>n
On the Road to Tharbad
A Large Sign is standing here.
Exits: North East South West.

* R W S C Mana:Burning>dism
s
s
You stop riding a pack horse.

* W S C Mana:Burning>
bApproaching the North Gate of Tharbad
A beggar is here, asking for a few coins.
A finch flies low above the ground.
Exits: North East South.

* W S C Mana:Burning> eagleOutside the North Gate of Tharbad
Exits: North South.
You see some fog coming from the south.
You begin to see some clouds.

* W S C Mana:Burning>
backstab eagle
Backstab whom?

* W S C Mana:Burning>s
Inside the North Gate of Tharbad
A secretary is sitting at the desk.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
Exits: North South.

* W S C Mana:Burning>
The guard closes the gate.
The guard locks the gate.
The guard says 'Who left the gate open?'

* W S C Mana:Burning>
The White Eagle has arrived from the south.

* W S C Mana:Burning>s
Before the North Gate of Tharbad
Exits: North East South West.

* W S C Mana:Burning>n
The White Eagle has arrived from the north.

* W S C Mana:Burning>w
The White Eagle tries to hit you, but your parry is successful.

* W S C Mana:Burning the White Eagle:Finefle
Arglebargle, glop-glyf!?!

* W S C Mana:Burning the White Eagle:Fine>stare
f
Shriek narrates 'Heve.  And you moulgs'd hazo done it iw yoi bvew he zav anp, 
labmb?  =)'
<<<<<<love my high int btw?>>>>>>>>>>
* W S C Mana:Burning the White Eagle:Fine>le
You stare at the sky.

* W S C Mana:Burning the White Eagle:Fine>
You flee head over heels.
Inside the North Gate of Tharbad
A secretary is sitting at the desk.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
A Guard is here looking suspiciously at everyone passing.
Exits: North South.

* W S C Mana:Burning>s
Before the North Gate of Tharbad
The White Eagle is standing here.
Exits: North East South West.

* W S C Mana:Burning>e

The White Eagle leaves south.

* W S C Mana:Burning>e
The Old Tower Street
A Guard is here looking for someone to abuse.
Exits: East West.

* W S C Mana:Burning>The Old Tower Street
Exits: East South West.

* W S C Mana:Burning>nar nice, eagle hunting me in tbad
Ok.

* W S C Mana:Burning>w
The Old Tower Street
A Guard is here looking for someone to abuse.
Exits: East West.

* W S C Mana:Burning>w
Before the North Gate of Tharbad
Exits: North East South West.

* W S C Mana:Burning>s
Main Street
Exits: North East South.

* W S C Mana:Burning>s
Main Street
Exits: North South West.

* W S C Mana:Burning>s
Main Street
Exits: North South.

* W S C Mana:Burning>n
Main Street
Exits: North South West.

* W S C Mana:Burning>track eagle
You carefully examine the ground around you, looking for tracks...

You see some tracks of the White Eagle leading west
 (done less than 1 hour ago).

<<<<<<<tracking>>>>>>>>>
*an Elf* yells 'sorry about that'  
<<<<<<<<ok, accidents happen, not like he rocked me or anything>>>>>>>>>>>

*an Elf* yells 'i wont fight you again as meta'
<<<<<<<<ok, I’ll find him and fight as elf then >>>>>>>>>>>>

ll o
You see some tracks of *an Elf* leading east
 (done less than 1 hour ago).

* W S C>k
Ok.

* W S C>
The earth trembles and shivers.
<<<<<<<this, I assume, is Andel losing the last of his stored quakes from chief>>>>>>>>>>
* W S C>e
The Illusionist's House
A thief is here looking for some stranger to rob.
Exits: West Up.

You see some tracks of *an Elf* leading up
 (done less than 1 hour ago).

* W S C>u
q
The Illusionist's Laboratory
A middle-aged woman, the illusionist looks defiantly at you.
*an Elf* is standing here (Shrouded).
Exits: South Down.
Aha, you have found your victim!

* W S C>back elf
You begin to move silently to the back of your victim...

*an Elf* yells 'thought you the same man who was here b4'
<<<<<<<*ponder* That makes it ok to pk as meta?>>>>>>>>>>>>

*an Elf* makes a strange sound, as you place a slender dagger in his back.

* W S C *an Elf*:Bad>
*an Elf* panics, and attempts to flee.

* W S C *an Elf*:Bad>snicker

*an Elf* panics, and attempts to flee.

* W S C *an Elf*:Bad>
You snicker softly.

* W S C *an Elf*:Bad>
*an Elf* panics, and attempts to flee.
*an Elf* panics, but can't stop fighting to flee.

* W S C *an Elf*:Bad>
You pierce *an Elf*'s right leg and shatter it.
<<<<<<<<<<3 failed flees, if I had any offense at ALL :P>>>>>>>>>>>>>
* W S C *an Elf*:Awful>
*an Elf* panics, and attempts to flee.
*an Elf* leaves down.

* W S C>d
The Illusionist's House
Exits: West Up.

* W S C>w
wThe Old Tower Street
*an Elf* is standing here.
Exits: North East South.

* W S C>ield bow
*an Elf* leaves south.

* W S C>
s
You stop using a slender dagger.
You confidently wield a yew longbow, ready to defend yourself.

* W S C>qq
The Old Tower Street
A Guard is here looking for someone to abuse.
Exits: North South West.

* W S C>shoo elf
Shoot whom?

* W S C>track elf
You carefully examine the ground around you, looking for tracks...

You see some tracks of *an Elf* leading south
 (done less than 1 hour ago).

<<<<<<<tracking edited out for shorter log>>>>>>>>>

* W S C>shoo elf
Shoot whom?


You see some tracks of *an Elf* leading north
 (done less than 1 hour ago).

* W S C>Shadows' Street
*an Elf* is standing here searching for something.
Exits: North South.
Aha, you have found your victim!
<<<<<<nice time for lag, else shoot would have gone in during search delay>>>>>>>>>

* W S C>
*an Elf* passes dangerously close to your hiding place.

* W S C>qq
shoo elf

Your victim has disappeared!
*an Elf* leaves south.



* W S C>track elf
You carefully examine the ground around you, looking for tracks...

Saving Oscarmeyer.

You see some tracks of *an Elf* leading east
 (done less than 1 hour ago).

* W S C>e
Master Road
A vicious little bandit advances towards you.
One of the citizens of Tharbad looks at you from the corner of his eye.
The White Eagle is standing here.
Exits: North West.

The White Eagle leaves north.
<<<<<<<<<WTF? This can’t be fair>>>>>>>>>>

The White Eagle has arrived from the north.
You see some tracks of *an Elf* leading north
 (done less than 1 hour ago).

* W S C>n
Main Street
A thief lurks here, looking for a stranger to rob.
Exits: North East South.
The citizen has arrived from the south.

The White Eagle has arrived from the south.

You see some tracks of *an Elf* coming from the south
 (done less than 1 hour ago).

* W S C>sh eagle
The White Eagle sniffs sadly.

The White Eagle swiftly dodges your attempt to shoot it.
An ash arrow breaks.

* W S C the White Eagle:Healthy>
The White Eagle panics, and attempts to flee.
The White Eagle leaves east.
<<<<<<<<HEALTHY White Eagle, he obviously used meta skills to avoid a pk death, and HE started the PK (not that I wouldn’t have, that’s not the point)>>>>>>>>>>>
* W S C>fle
You stop tracking your victim.
You flee head over heels.
            

Ok, everyone knows it’s illegal to pk as meta unless you are defending a  ’good’ town.  Tbad does not fit that category.  I am wondering here if it was illegal for him to use his meta skill in pk to avoid a death.  I’ve heard before of similar occasions, and once I hunted a Grizzly that I stabbed 3 times, but each time he un-metad then metad back to full hps.  If this wasn’t illegal, I hope some god closes this loophole and makes it illegal to prevent such obvious abuse.  (Whine mode off)
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OscarMeyer2000-09-12 02:59:37
Perhaps gods could implement something that metas can't go into meta mode when they have novoid or pk noquit? Imagine if that had been in closed area, and I got him awful, he metad and back to full, then I died. I should have had balls though and blocked the door after I entered, then fled out turnback if things went bad.
Faloth2000-09-12 03:18:45
First, he hit you once and didnt chase.
Second, you stabbed him so he has every right to defend himself.
Third, changing between meta does not refill your hps.
Ginlon2000-09-12 03:29:58
I think Metas should be allowed to pk...
Galdor2000-09-12 04:38:17
He has the right to defend himself, but not pursue
OscarMeyer2000-09-12 04:48:44
Erm, last I checked, when you change between meta (maybe is only 1-way) you DO get full hps. You can't tell from log, since I edited out tracking, but there is no way he had time to cast heal, and he spammed through my room several times as I tracked. I tried to make a point of not accusing him of cheating, I just wanted a clarification of the rules. I'm sure Rogon will post it soon, as part of a massive flame of me :)
Devlin2000-09-12 05:24:23
Turning to meta doesn't fill your hp. Also, I agree with ginlon,
istari's were in the book to protect the people of arda (destroy
evil).
Nazgum2000-09-12 05:38:04
backstabbing someone who's sleeping then fleeing and trying
to backstab again is obvious attempt of trying to linkless/
afk(kill). *sniff* Don't do it man, it's lame.
Dardhel2000-09-12 08:03:01
I will say aswell that changing to and from meta doesn't affect hps, actually I think if you are at 10% hps when not meta and you meta, you have 10% of your total hps after you meta. I used this alot while I was leveling up my meta because my half-elf form had like 140 hps total and 1 heal would heal 350 or so "meta hps" after switching forms and back.
Silicon2000-09-12 09:29:42
Linkless kill is lame, but not afk kill. Drop a link if you need to go afk. I have been killed afk in Cave (stabbed twice, after olog-pack killed olog mobs) and in Sage room. I blame myself only :)
Ghostly2000-09-12 09:37:06
Hard to tell from logs, but I think this was a different meta. Confusing huh?
Fëagil2000-09-12 09:59:45
Was the same meta and oscar you're a FUCKING NEWBIE, i had time to cast 5 times cure serious so SHUT THE FUCK UP. I don't have heal, so i spammed to other side of town and insta started curing, then re-metad to spam bree. The reason why i attacked you was simple: i had just been attacked there by 2 bns and i thought you were one of them, in which case it was obvious that they prolly attack me again. i noticed you're a sneaker, then i knew you weren't the same one and appologized.

I'd really like some guidance by the ainur here: can i fight back, and kill someone who attacks me first? It really sucks to be forced to run bree every time i see a darkie with track :(

P.S. To say this again: you were SLOW, and i would have been on awful as meta too, not to mention i had to bob to get back to meta form :)
Enforcer2000-09-12 10:02:18
aschit, dont whine so much, the more pk, the more fun, meta or not...

Axel2000-09-12 10:13:29
was fighting that meta earlier in tbad and actually Feagil was the first meta
I met who didnt insta hit, but yelled - 'I am not allowed to fight so dont
hit me', so he behaved perfectly ok
Duvel2000-09-12 10:17:35
He behaved good, he died to MrJoe as meta too he did not fight at abr.

Stop whining =)
Curious2000-09-12 10:47:24
any chance 'help whine' comes back? :P
*pat Aschit*
Dresden2000-09-12 13:32:55
Mmmmmmeta.... please please do attack me, I will not complain!
Rogon2000-09-12 18:45:49
Not the first time i see aschit yell something, then stab the guy who's yelling an apology or reply back at him. A battle tactic?
Oscarmeyer2000-09-12 23:52:30
Hehe, if someone is silly enough to stop and yell when not totally safe, they deserve to eat a stab. Yes, it is a battle tactic I proudly use. Feagil must have damn fast cures :( I honestly don't see how he had the time to spam 2, let alone 5 cures while I tracked him the 8 or so rooms that he had run. As I stated, I didn't accuse him of cheating, was just asking if it was legal. I didn't question the pk aspect of the fight, just the (I thought) use of meta to regain lost hps. I even stated in log that it wasn't a big deal that he hit me, since he yelled he wouldn't attack me. Also, if I had thought even for a MOMENT that Andel was linkless, I wouldn't have stabbed him the first time. But not many people sleep on tbad streets, so it was highly doubtful that he was linkless. Also, there had been 2 quakes in zone not even 10 seconds before that part of the log starts, I edited them out to save space. Kinda unlike Mayavi, who was afk at n gate the other day, saw 2 stab tries, so I asked if he was linkless, no response, so I left, and 2 seconds later he is tracking me. It's really sad when people fake linkless/afk to avoid pk, and after Mayavi kept quitting the other day to avoid pk also, I'm not sure that I would restrain myself from killing that particular puke linkless, though I probably wouldn't do it anyway :(
Oscarmeyer2000-09-12 23:52:46
*apol* for yet another longwinded post
Gray2000-09-13 16:11:40
Cure serious takes approx same time as tracking one room (with istari wand that
is). Well, they really changed metas trophy - i.e. it is not zeroising anymore
when player returns/meta again? Too bad, then they need to change rules about
"white" cities - cos usually there are no exp in these areas on hero level -
all mobs killed to 30%+ :)
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