That was rather interesting. I am actually glad someone like Deor is checking for actions and what not.

Someone has alias to narrate $targ bashed
And wizzes feel compelled to see if its a trigger?
Come on now, nothing better to do?

OK, what "I" do not get is this was a test done to see if
Zorgmol is on actions, and the DUDE admits that deor's
echo changes his target to Testgayer.

Obviously these actions are kinda untraceable, but madcat's
posting of his $dir tracking, and now this, makes me wonder
about how many people actually try to obey the rules and
how many try to work around them :P

I think way too many ppl are working around the rules. Of course, in my opinion clients that enable you to have hotkeys -of any kind- should be banned. And people should be obligated to show logs to show they're fighting fair. Of course, logs can be edited, but it often shows anyway if you know what to look for. It should all be down to aliases, reflexes, area knowledge and typing speed, not time spent configuring your client.

CLIENT POWER!! ACTIONS!!!! MUHJAHAHAHAHA.... *think*

Deor is a very strange and disturbed human being

Im not on actions any more than the next guy. All that happens to me when i bash someone, is that my client sets a variable called $bashed. If this is illegal, then please notifie me, and i will remove it. My target stays on *man* all the time, but a bash sets this variable so i can notifie group.
I still have to narrate $bashed is bashed at XXX, but i dont have to spell his name. Is this more illegal than other ppl who have actions for setting doors ?
Well, as i said, if it is, notifie me, and i vill take that variable away.

How Dresden can feel upset and accuse the "fucking gods" of doing "stupid shit"
here is beyond me.

Having an action to set a variable is not illegal :)

This was recently? I don't recall spamming 15 shots ever :P And since I am a big cluelesswimp, I play wimpy 220/293 or something. Bash me once, fireball me once, shatter me once and I run like a six year old girl with roaches in her knickers (ie, Darkangel ;) )
(I then run out of moves somewhere along the line and THAT's when you kill me)

Fair enaugh, some unknown says having my client to set a variable isnt illegal, but could some V+ answer my question ?
I know many for certain that many ppl use clients to set variables for doors, and that have been judged legal. I fail to see the difference here. And since i am stupid, i dont have a hotkey for killing $bashed :), and i dont have one for labeling, killing label etc neither. All i admit doing, and all i did, was to narrate that he was bashed, and my client helped me picking up his name.
Sure, if it makes you feel bether Nazgum i can take that part out of the script, and just narrate 'bashed' since the only ones who need that information usually knows who i am fighting anyway.
And since we are talking about actions anyway, is this one forbidden ?
#act {ZBLAM!} {stand;ride}
Zorgmol.

dresden's point is that deor had light, so dresden thought some puke scum trying backstab etc...blah blah, why do i bother =)
TROLLS RULE!

........not

yeyeyeyeeeeeeeeee,
k6ik poisid ja tydrukud kirjutage mulle!
jojojooooooooo!

If I am a strange and disturbed person, imagine how fucked up YOU must be Mr. Unknown. You're too afraid to even show us who you are. :P

Well.. answer my question please. Is actions for setting variables illegal ?
Since i consider myself to be a fair player, i will remove those actions if asked to. If nobody says anything, i will take that as a permission to keep them.

I don't know how to make clients work, but.....if someone can just set
parameter so that can nar 'targ bashed', then can't they still autotrack by
setting direction of track to a single key and then spamming that same key each
time the track dir comes through? It would still save more time than actually
having to assimilate and follow the direction.

I am not quite sure what the difference is between triggers and automatic keybinds. They both seem
overpowered to me.

This client and cheat story is really pathetic, who cares if he uses client or
not; look at those 10ms-30ms pc's aren't they abuse too? playing and moving around
this fast compared to a 300ms pc?
Give kids power to make em feel like mud police, yeah nice cyber-psycho junk for
15-18 yr old chit chat, now I wonder how many immos are power dreaming of different
technics catching poor client programmers off defence and uncover overpowered
cheaters, wow impressive.
Overpowered yeah right, whine more! perhaps you get a MUME dedicated client
downloadable from the fire server that will be the only allowed tool to be able
to play Mume.

Nah I use TeraTerm Pro which is just colored telnet, should be fine for mume too =)

Deor definitely hopes to convert MUME to police country.

P.S. gosspodi, chto za pidaras etot Deor...

If a god tests things thats totally ok. But after some weird testing
like echoing and stuff like that, that god HAS TO instantly tell affected
ppl that he did a test. Else the player(s) might get confused totally
uncalled for. And here is a comment to all the gods:

"If you are on as a god ACT like one, dont narrate anything that has
anything to do with things outside of MUME. Drop the attitudes and
think about this... your are not a god rl, without the players you
are nothing... treat others as you want to get treated yourself"

Before my script got deleted a made this cool "Any-key" alias.
Whenever something happened that needed my input I had it set
my * key between my ctrl and alt key to do it.
If i was hungry, * eat wafer
if i was thirsty, * drank water
if i was tracking, * would go the dir of last track
if my spells went down, * would cast them
pretty much I could do close to everything with one button
it rocked :)
it even put a prompt on my screen telling me what * was binded
to at the time, it also had functions for cycling through
target keybinds, like ctrl-* would cycle through target1-target5

Dain once sent half a screen of trackspam while i was in midtrack to see if i was using auto tracker after some dork narrated i tracked him too fast or something, i think its great that there's people who actually cares about the rules and enforces them, otherwise we might as well not have rules, eh?

Gray>Deor definitely hopes to convert MUME to police country.
nod Rogon, shake Gray - there is not enuf police in mume yet

Some comments up, Artan seems to be trying to explain why clients rule and gods suck. Or whatever. The point some people are trying to make here is this (in case you didn't get it the first 300 times).

1. Link is always a discriminating factor on MUME. The management has said during the years that they try to keep the impact a good or bad link has on MUME to a minimum, or at least try to manage the game so it's not too biased against those with poor link. Whether they have been successful or not is, of course, subject to debate. Personally, I think they could have done worse.

2. Several years ago, people risked having their chars deleted if they left them running as bots, responding automatically to narrates of 'trans' with cast 'trans' (narrater). The reason? Automated characters, bots and characters running more or less on client-programmed autopilots were illegal and nobody wanted them playing the game. Since then, people have tried increasingly to circumvert any rules to this effect. Having automatic triggers, 'actions' such as automatically hitting or following and hitting became popular, although frowned upon by the majority of MUME players, until they were banned. Even after they were banned, several 'bad apples' were discovered, players who deliberately used actions in spite of the ban. After this, actions for many other things were used increasingly often. Actiontracking, actionbashing, actionfleeing and actiondoorclosing spring to mind, but there were other kinds. These have recently been banned because having an autopilot to play the game for you is not in the spirit of the game. Indeed, the autopilot, or client, serves only to enable your character to act with machine-like speed which is not humanly possible and thus gives you an unfair advantage. So the next step for those who ever seek to bend the rules as far as they will go to their advantage, is to have automatic variables or triggers that enable you to change your settings by pressing a key. A good case in point is Daevia's example, 3 posts up from this one. So instead of just automatically doing stuff, now you have to spam F1 instead to do whatever it is you want done. So in fact, you can program your client to recognize when it is prudent to flee, or when you are winning a fight, and simply hold down the key F1 and let your computer do the rest. Which in my opinion is not at all unlike having actions, you've just added a 'middle man' so to speak.

My wish is that -any kind- of automatic scripts - even client use altogether - be banned. Let the game be played as it is, don't try to gain advantage with the help of software outside the game. Link will always be of some importance, but that can hardly be helped, we can only try to minimize its import. Client use -can- be restricted and so should be.

I also would like to suggest that we ban ban Italy and Germany from the Euro- and world football championships, and fine chicken farmers for existing. Thank you. *<8^) (that is to say I apologize for the length and insignificance of this post).

The only way to remove all forms of client abuse is to have Ilie code a
special mume-client that only allows aliases and keywalking. :P All data
would be encrypted and given a session key, etc. The same basis behind what
they do to prevent client side cheating on Quake3. But even then someone will
crack it and cheat. Live with it.