Forek dies linkless
posted by Nahar
2000-10-14 06:12:30
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Forek dies linkless to some idiots... I will probably be demoted for posting th
Jandor has arrived from above.
Transe has arrived from above.

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo leaves vv S O U T H vv.
Alweon leaves vv S O U T H vv.
You follow Zippo.
Food Storage
The corpse of a prisoner is lying here.
An elven slave is standing here.
A weary slave who has lost all hope sits here staring into space.
*a dreadful Orc* is standing here (Linkless).
Alweon begins some strange incantations...
A vicious olog-hai yells 'An BLf is hmue lr A cdubegy ckagLk mrhztl!'

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo slashes *a dreadful Orc*'s left leg hard.

* Mana:Burning>
*a dreadful Orc* panics, and attempts to flee.
*a dreadful Orc* leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.

* Mana:Burning>sa he linkless
[emote says 'he linkless']
Ok.

* Mana:Burning>
Alweon narrates 'NO'

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo narrates 'linkdead'

* Mana:Burning>
Alweon narrates 'NO'

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo narrates 'he LINKDEAD'

* Mana:Burning>yell he linkless

Zippo leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.
You follow Someone.
An Escape Route
Mayavi the Half-Elf is here, fighting *a dreadful Orc*.
Jandor the Dwarf is here, fighting *a dreadful Orc*.
Transe the Half-Elf is standing here trying to concentrate.
Celorfilas is standing here.
*a dreadful Orc* is here, fighting Mayavi (Linkless).
Mayavi fails to pierce *a dreadful Orc*.

* Mana:Burning>
Ok.

* Mana:Burning>
Celorfilas begins some strange incantations...

* Mana:Burning>l

Zippo giggles.

An Escape Route
Mayavi the Half-Elf is here, fighting *a dreadful Orc*.
Jandor the Dwarf is here, fighting *a dreadful Orc*.
Transe the Half-Elf is standing here trying to concentrate.
Celorfilas is standing here trying to concentrate.
*a dreadful Orc* is here, fighting Mayavi (Linkless).
Zippo the Hobbit is standing here.
Alweon is standing here.

* Mana:Burning>
Celorfilas begins some strange incantations...
Transe utters the word 'pabraw'
Transe raises her voice and ancient powers make *a dreadful Orc* twist in pain.
*a dreadful Orc* panics, and attempts to flee.
*a dreadful Orc* leaves い U P い.

* Mana:Burning>sa stop
[emote says 'stop']
Ok.

* Mana:Burning>
Alweon narrates 'NO'

* Mana:Burning>
Jandor leaves い U P い.
Transe leaves い U P い.

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo leaves い U P い.
Alweon leaves い U P い.
You follow Zippo.
Dark Dreary Forest
The corpse of an ugly forest troll is lying here.
*a dreadful Orc* is here, fighting Jandor (Linkless).
Jandor the Dwarf is here, fighting *a dreadful Orc*.
Transe the Half-Elf is standing here.
*a dreadful Orc* smites Jandor's body extremely hard.

* Mana:Burning>u

Mayavi narrates 'he wasnt when he came in'
*a dreadful Orc* panics, and attempts to flee.
*a dreadful Orc* leaves vv S O U T H vv.

* Mana:Burning>
Alas, you cannot go that way...

* Mana:Burning>
Jandor panics, and attempts to flee.
Jandor leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo stares at the sky.

* Mana:Burning>
Alweon narrates 'NONON'
Zippo leaves vv S O U T H vv.
Alweon leaves vv S O U T H vv.
You follow Zippo.
Dark Dreary Forest
*a dreadful Orc* is standing here (Linkless).

* Mana:Burning>
Alweon narrates 'NONON'

* Mana:Burning> 
Alweon narrates 'NONON'

* Mana:Burning>
Alweon narrates 'NONON'

* Mana:Burning>
*a dreadful Orc* has reconnected.

* Mana:Burning>
*a dreadful Orc* panics, and attempts to flee.
*a dreadful Orc* leaves << W E S T <<.

* Mana:Burning>sm forek

Zippo leaves << W E S T <<.
You follow Someone.
Dark Dreary Forest

* Mana:Burning>There's no one by that name around.

* Mana:Burning>
Alweon yells 'ok?'

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo yells 'hehe'

* Mana:Burning>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'JBSUS'

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo narrates 'let him go'
Cornholio narrates 'do only orcs load spiked shields?'
Jandor yells 'comf'

* Mana:Burning>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'CHRIST'

* Mana:Burning>
Celorfilas yells 'we'
Jandor has arrived from the east.
Transe has arrived from the east.

* Mana:Burning>
Jandor leaves vv S O U T H vv.
Transe leaves vv S O U T H vv.

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo yells 'we'

* Mana:Burning>
*a dreadful Orc* yells '5 hps?'

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo yells 'spared'

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo yells 'jandor'

* Mana:Burning>
Alweon yells 'ate a harm'

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo yells 'nuked'

* Mana:Burning>
Your blood freezes as you hear a death cry.

* Mana:Burning>
Zippo leaves xx D O W N xx.
You follow Someone.
A Smelly Tunnel
The corpse of *an Orc* is lying here.
A hungry warg stands here, sniffing around for flesh.
Mayavi the Half-Elf is here, fighting the bloodthirsty bat.
A demon wolf lurks here, its dark form twisting and hiding its shape.
The bloodthirsty bat is here, fighting Mayavi.

*>
Mayavi pierces the bloodthirsty bat's head very hard and shatters it.

*>
The demon wolf tries to hit Mayavi, but he parries successfully.

*>
Mayavi pierces the bloodthirsty bat's body extremely hard and shatters it.

*>
Mayavi narrates 'he died'
Jandor yells 'didnt see man'
Zippo gets a metal buckler from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a water skin from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a forest green cloak from the corpse of *an Orc*.
a woody, stemmed plant (Tarragon)
Zippo gets a large piece of raw meat from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a large sack from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a thick metal breastplate from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a great helm from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a pair of greaves from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a thick pair of metal boots from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a thick pair of metal gauntlets from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a heavy pair of vambraces from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a black warg fur from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a leather satchel from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a great warsword from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a plain leather belt from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a butcher knife from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a fragrant-smelling bag from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a leather backpack from the corpse of *an Orc*.
Zippo gets a pile of coins from the corpse of *an Orc*.

*>
The bloodthirsty bat fails to hit Mayavi.

*>qloot
*>
Mayavi swiftly dodges the demon wolf's attempt to hit him.

*>
Mayavi pierces the bloodthirsty bat's tail very hard and shatters it.

*>q
[get all corpse]

Zippo leaves い U P い.
Alweon leaves い U P い.
You follow Zippo.
Dark Dreary Forest
Jandor the Dwarf is standing here.
Transe the Half-Elf is standing here.

*>
You don't see a corpse to get things from.

*>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >>.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >>.
You follow Zippo.
Dark Dreary Forest

*>
Zippo chuckles politely.
Celorfilas has arrived from the north.

*>
Celorfilas leaves >> E A S T >>.

*>
Jandor narrates 'who'

*>sa lame
[emote says 'lame']
Ok.

*>
Antar narrates 'Who died?'

*>
Mayavi narrates 'stabbed him'

*>
Zippo says : that waslame kill

*>
Zippo leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.
You follow Someone.
Dark Dreary Forest
The corpse of an ugly forest troll is lying here.

*>
Zippo leaves << W E S T <<.
You follow Someone.
Dark Dreary Forest
A brutish forest troll is hunting here, looking for some tasty flesh.
A disgusting forest troll is searching for fresh meat here.

*>
Mayavi narrates 'forek'

*>
An ugly forest troll tries to smite Zippo, but he parries successfully.

*>
The brutish forest troll bleeds from open wounds.
Zippo strongly slashes an ugly forest troll's body.

*>
The brutish forest troll leaves >> E A S T >>.

*>
Alweon narrates 'aha'
Jandor narrates 'great'

*>
Jandor narrates 'why'

*>
Zippo panics, and attempts to flee.
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >>.

*>
An ugly forest troll leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.

*>
Zippo has arrived from the east.

*>
Zippo leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.
You follow Someone.
Dark Dreary Forest
A disgusting forest troll is searching for fresh meat here.

*>
Zippo leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.
You follow Someone.
Dark Dreary Forest

*>
Alweon narrates 'how lame...'
Zippo leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.
You follow Someone.
Dreary Forest
A pale bulbous mushroom grows here.

*>
Antar narrates 'you just killed him linkless...'

*>na you guys are fucking morons

Zippo leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.
You follow Someone.
Clearing
A sturdy trained horse is standing here.

*>
Ok.

*>
Zippo sighs loudly.

*>
Alweon narrates 'he had no link'

*>
Barnes narrates 'thats how pk is supposed to be?'

*>ride
What do you want to ride?

*>lead trained

Alweon narrates 'dickhead'

*>The trained horse starts following you.

*>
Mayavi narrates 'he was back with link'

*>
Zippo says : we return eq?

*>
Mayavi narrates 'he had link '

*>
Mayavi narrates 'dont bitch'

*>
Alweon says 'we try'

*>na after nuked to 5 hps linkless
Ok.

*>
Alweon narrates 'he reconnected, barel'

*>
Zippo says : gods might get shity

*>
Mayavi narrates 'he yelled jesus and was prob yelling more'

*>
Jandor narrates 'oh yeah'

*>
Jandor narrates 'we nuke him awful and iuu kill'
The decayed ironkey crumbles to dust.

*>na mayavi shut up you are a worthless player
Ok.

*>
Alweon narrates 'at 5 fucking hps'

*>
Jandor narrates 'thast lame'

*>
Zippo drinks water from a water skin.

*>
Alweon narrates 'why stab, just pierce him, he still woulda died.'

*>
Invoked narrates 'is isengaurd shield light??'

*>
Alweon narrates 'that is lame.'

*>
Celorfilas narrates 'oh shit'

*>
Byako narrates 'in the fnost area, someone with heal or firstaid ability, please tell to me quick!'

*>
Jandor narrates 'sure is'

*>
Zippo says : you say return nahar?

*>
Mayavi narrates 'i went escape and he came in. then went out and came in again'

*>
Mayavi narrates 'i hit him and he fled s and broke link'

*>sa return?
[emote says 'return?']
Alweon says 'i would like to return but i not sure if we can'
Ok.

*>
Mayavi narrates 'so i stopped '

*>
Zippo says : his eq

*>
Celorfilas narrates 'about 6 trolls gathered.'
Vicker narrates 'ya thats lame.. dont keep eq.. give to me '

*>in
Mayavi narrates 'then he came back and yelled'
You are carrying:
a hooded brass lantern
a dark coloured flask
a dark coloured flask
a dark coloured flask

*>
Alweon says 'we try'

*>
Mayavi narrates 'so i stabbed'

*>sa yeh
[emote says 'yeh']
Ok.

*>sa you looted?
[emote says 'you looted?']
Ok.

*>
Mayavi narrates 'whats the FUCK wrong with it'

*>
Zippo nods solemnly.
Celorfilas narrates 'kreil and nonames'

*>
Zippo leaves vv S O U T H vv.
Alweon leaves vv S O U T H vv.
You follow Zippo.
Dreary Forest
A pale bulbous mushroom grows here.
The trained horse has arrived from the north.

*>
Healy narrates 'anyone doing anything fun'

*>
Zippo leaves vv S O U T H vv.
You follow Someone.
Dark Dreary Forest
A disgusting forest troll is searching for fresh meat here.
The trained horse has arrived from the north.

*>nod

Mayavi narrates 'esp since jandor looted warsword'
An ugly forest troll leaves >> E A S T >>.

*>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >>.
You follow Someone.
Dreary Forest
A brutish forest troll is hunting here, looking for some tasty flesh.
A disgusting forest troll is searching for fresh meat here.
The trained horse has arrived from the west.
Jandor narrates 'fuck'

*>
You nod solemnly.

*>
An ugly forest troll tries to crush Zippo, but he parries successfully.

*>
Zippo slashes an ugly forest troll's right arm extremely hard.

*>
Zippo says : e
Zippo slashes an ugly forest troll's left leg hard.

*>
Jandor narrates 'just got whooped by them'

*>p
[Assist zippo]

Zippo panics, and attempts to flee.
Zippo leaves << W E S T <<.

*>Who do you want to assist?

*>
Alweon swiftly dodges the brutish forest troll's attempt to smite him.

*>
Alweon tries to pierce the brutish forest troll, but it parries successfully.

*>p
[Assist zippo]
Who do you want to assist?

*>
Zippo has arrived from the west.

*>
Alweon tries to pierce the brutish forest troll, but it parries successfully.

*>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >>.
You follow Zippo.
Rough Ground
The trained horse has arrived from the west.

*>
Jandor narrates 'i didnt loot anything'

*>
Alweon has arrived from the north.

*>
Alweon leaves vv S O U T H vv.

*>
Alweon has arrived from the south.

*>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >>.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >>.
You follow Zippo.
Gully
The trained horse has arrived from the west.

*>
Alweon giggles.

*>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >>.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >>.
You follow Zippo.
You need to climb to go there.

*>
Jandor narrates 'wtf are iou talkang about'

*>cli
e
Ok, from now you'll climb if necessary.

* C>It is pitch black...
You are in a forest.
ACK! Something didn't follow you, you lost him.

o C>
Mayavi narrates 'well zippo did'

o C>e
Dark Dreary Forest
Zippo the Hobbit is standing here.
Alweon is standing here.
Exits: North East South West.

* C>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >>.
You follow Someone.
Dreary Forest
A brutish forest troll is hunting here, looking for some tasty flesh.

* C>
The brutish forest troll tries to crush Zippo, but he parries successfully.

* C>
Zippo slashes the brutish forest troll's right foot very hard and tickles it.

* C>
Alweon narrates 'Jandor looted nothing'

* C>
Mayavi narrates 'i didnt loot'

* C>na and you wont get any of that eq

Saving Nahar.
The brutish forest troll lightly crushes Zippo's right foot and tickles it.

* C>
Ok.

* C>p
[Assist zippo]
You assist Zippo.
The brutish forest troll says 'Fonguan! gpw blab ykh? I rigg rjhsmbef yLdo fack Jaega!'
You try to pierce the brutish forest troll, but it parries successfully.

* C the brutish forest troll:Fine Zippo:Fine>
Alweon joins Zippo's fight.
The brutish forest troll says 'I'gl aib ygg ja pijctz, scun!'
Alweon tries to pierce the brutish forest troll, but it parries successfully.

* C the brutish forest troll:Fine Zippo:Fine>
The brutish forest troll lightly crushes Zippo's body and tickles it.

* C the brutish forest troll:Fine Zippo:Fine>
The brutish forest troll says 'Bossdtb! Zpv daae yet? I rijg rsrezber yooJ spca ZipmL!'
Zippo sends the brutish forest troll sprawling with a powerful bash.

* C>cha w 100

Zippo leaves >> E A S T >>.
You follow Someone.
Dark Dreary Forest

* C>Wimpy set to: 100
The moon rises in the east.

* C>
The brutish forest troll has arrived from the north.

* C>
Ambolt narrates 'I looted'

* C>
Zippo leaves vv S O U T H vv.
You follow Someone.
Dreary Forest
A large thorny branched shrub is growing here.
A mass of wriggling vines drops on you from the trees.

* C>
Zippo leaves << W E S T <<.
You follow Someone.
Opening in the Forest
The statue of a troll is here.

* C>
Zippo leaves vv S O U T H vv.
Alweon leaves vv S O U T H vv.
You follow Zippo.
Opening in the Forest
A stocky mountain mule is here, waiting to serve.
A sturdy pack horse is standing here.
A sturdy pack horse is standing here.

* C>ride

Zippo picks up a mountain mule's reins, and starts riding him.

* C>
You pick up a pack horse's reins, and start riding him.

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'we looted because you killed him with barely any link'

* R C>
Alweon picks up a pack horse's reins, and starts riding him.

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'frigging assholes'

* R C>
The earth trembles and shivers.

* R C>
Byako narrates 'Is there anyone in the fnost area who has heal ability?  PLease tel to me.'

* R C>
The earth trembles and shivers.

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'you are the bitch, moron'

* R C>
Jandor narrates 'so'

* R C>
Zippo narrates 'we are assholes?'

* R C>
Zippo leaves vv S O U T H vv riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves vv S O U T H vv riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Withering Grass
A finch flies low above the ground.
A finch panics, and attempts to flee.
A finch leaves << W E S T <<.

* R C>
Zippo leaves vv S O U T H vv riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves vv S O U T H vv riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C>
Celorfilas narrates 'troll dies.'

* R C>
Jandor narrates 'we giving back loot or what'

* R C>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >> riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >> riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail
A sturdy pack horse is standing here.

* R C>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >> riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >> riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C>
Zippo narrates 'no'

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'i think its illegal now'

* R C>na linkless killers are the assholes
Ok.

* R C>
The earth trembles and shivers.

* R C>wh g
Healy narrates 'um elf corpse in rd?'
Ainur
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 [Ms] MaraJade sings an Unsung Psalm 

2 players on.

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'as lame as it is.'

* R C>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >> riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >> riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'what the fuck he HAD link . he was YELLING '

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'fuckfaces'

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'he Just reconnected'

Alweon narrates 'down 250 hps from when he had link'

* R C>
Jandor narrates 'cume hatch'
Mayavi narrates 'he reconnects and yells instead of runnning?'

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'its the same thin'

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'fuckface alweon'

* R C>
Zippo says : we cant return legitly thru game

* R C>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail
A sturdy pack horse is standing here.

* R C>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Blighted Land
There are three toadstools here.

* R C>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Old Ruins
The statue of a troll is here.
Jandor the Dwarf is standing here.

* R C>nod 

Alweon narrates 'he figured we spared him, we would not chase'
Zippo carefully examines the ground around him, looking for tracks...

* R C>sc
You nod solemnly.

* R C>177/177 hit, 136/136 mana, and 103/107 moves.
Jandor says 'great'

* R C>l
Old Ruins
The statue of a troll is here.
Jandor the Dwarf is standing here.
Zippo the Hobbit is here searching for tracks, riding a mountain mule.
Alweon is here, riding a pack horse.

* R C>sa i just wack mayavi
[emote says 'i just wack mayavi']
Ok.

* R C>sm
st

Jandor says 'moonglum like storequaked me'

* R C>
You smile happily.

* R C>
You are already standing.

* R C>sfb
[cast 'store' fireball]

Alweon narrates 'i would do the same.'

* R C>
You start to concentrate...

Jandor says 'i had him bashed'

Alweon giggles.

Celorfilas narrates 'i agree with alweon here.'

ssfb
[cast 'store' fireball]
You stored it.

* R C Mana:Burning>
You start to concentrate...

Jandor says 'and transe flees'
Zippo begins some strange incantations...

You stored it.

Target Set To: Mayavi

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo utters the words 'cure serious'

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo says : ehhh

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo dismounts from a mountain mule, and stops riding him.

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo leaves xx D O W N xx.
You follow Zippo.
Oops! 
You cannot go there riding!

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo has arrived from below.

* R C Mana:Hot>
Celorfilas narrates 'i wouldn't have attacked.'

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo picks up a mountain mule's reins, and starts riding him.

* R C Mana:Hot>
Alweon says 'how many?'

* R C Mana:Hot>
Mayavi narrates 'anyone who yells has link. and is killable'

* R C Mana:Hot>
Jandor has reconnected.

* R C Mana:Hot>
Alweon says 'he is gonna eat a sleep if he dont shut up'
Celorfilas narrates 'nod, well was your call'

* R C Mana:Hot>
Jandor leaves vv S O U T H vv.

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo narrates 'not when they 5 hps when ya alrdy linkwhacked em'

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >> riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >> riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Blighted Land
There are three toadstools here.

* R C Mana:Hot>
Zippo says : we faced with problem here

* R C Mana:Burning>na he was clearly linlkess when we entered
Ok.

* R C Mana:Burning>na and you guys were still chasing him
Ok.

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo narrates 'had flag too'

* R C Mana:Burning>
Corvin narrates 'hmmm just one argument. we all know Alweon, but who is this Mayavi?'

* R C Mana:Burning>
Mayavi narrates 'these same fuckfaces whining are the ones who took the eq too'

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >> riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >> riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo giggles.

* R C Mana:Burning>
Mayavi narrates 'they will enjoy eq but still bitch '

* R C Mana:Burning>
Mayavi narrates 'they want to have it both ways'

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo narrates 'the eq has nothing to do with anything'

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo says : we gotta take rap for eq

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo shrugs indifferently.

* R C Mana:Burning>
Mayavi narrates 'oh sure why loot?'

* R C Mana:Burning>
Saving Nahar.

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo leaves >> E A S T >> riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves >> E A S T >> riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C Mana:Burning>
Mayavi narrates 'if u dont wannt kill, why loot?'

* R C Mana:Burning>na i would give eq to grinder before you
Ok.

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Small Trail

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Blighted Land
There are three toadstools here.

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo leaves  << W E S T << riding a mountain mule.
Alweon leaves  << W E S T << riding a pack horse.
You follow Zippo.
Old Ruins
The statue of a troll is here.

* R C Mana:Burning>
Zippo carefully examines the ground around him, looking for tracks...

* R C Mana:Burning>
Dayl narrates 'hi mume :)'

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'i am sure. u want eq and want to bitch at others too for getting that eq'

* R C>
Zippo carefully examines the ground around him, looking for tracks...

Mayavi narrates 'lame characters'

Zippo says : forek here

* R C>
Ok.

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'get some spine'

* R C>
Jandor narrates 'it was forek'

* R C>
Zippo dismounts from a mountain mule, and stops riding him.

* R C>
Zippo leaves xx D O W N xx.
You follow Zippo.
Oops! 
You cannot go there riding!

* R C>
Zippo has arrived from below.

* R C>
Celorfilas narrates 'he back.'

* R C>
Zippo picks up a mountain mule's reins, and starts riding him.

* R C>na Transe raises her voice and ancient powers make *a dreadful Orc* twist in pain.
Ok.

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'fuckface he broke link as soon as i met him'

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'then i stopped'

* R C>
Transe narrates 'i was told to harm !'
Mayavi narrates 'then he came back and yelled'

* R C>
Antar narrates '
You think he did it on purpose?'

* R C>
Mayavi narrates 'then I killed him'

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'he yelled he had no link for the last 5 minutes =p'

* R C>
Transe narrates 'sorry..heh heh'

* R C>
Healy has arrived from the south riding the warhorse.

* R C>
Ambolt narrates 'can you quick saying fuckface for us players with virgin ears?'
*Moonglum the Black Numenorean* has arrived from the east.

* R C>
*Moonglum the Black Numenorean* leaves >> E A S T >>.

* R C>
Ambolt narrates 'take it to tells'

* R C>
Alweon yells 'forek may be many things, but he not lame.'

* R C>
Zippo narrates 'you didnt kill him linkless, you might as well have tho, he cant spam thru those agg trolls mobs on 5hps'

* R C>
Healy says: ah ha!

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'forek may be many things, but he not lame.'

* R C>
*Moonglum the Black Numenorean* yells 'he was linkless'

* R C>
Zippo yells 'we know'

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'in that way at least.'
Healy yells ':('

* R C>yell we know

Jandor yells 'sure was'

* R C>
Ok.

* R C>
Alweon yells 'nod'

* R C>yell we tried
Ok.

* R C>yell to stop
Ok.

* R C>
Healy says: ya didnt loot di dyas?

* R C>yell mayavi
Ok.

* R C>
Zippo says : we got

* R C>yell but he wacka
Ok.

* R C>
Healy disbands his group.

* R C>whe   
Healy says: sigh
Players in your zone
--------------------
Nahar                - Old Ruins
Celorfilas           - Small Trail
Healy                - Old Ruins
Jandor               - Small Trail
Transe               - Small Trail
Zippo                - Old Ruins
Alweon               - Old Ruins
Mayavi               - Small Trail

* R C>
Healy is now a group member.
The warhorse is now a group member.

* R C>
Healy says: why did ya do that :(

* R C>
Celorfilas narrates 'idiot forek is typing message at trolls'

* R C>l
Old Ruins
The statue of a troll is here.
Alweon is here searching for something, riding a pack horse.
Zippo the Hobbit is here, riding a mountain mule.
Healy the Half-Elf is here, riding the warhorse.

* R C>
Healy says: could of at least left his eq 

* R C>
Zippo says : mayavi woulda

* R C>
*Moonglum the Black Numenorean* yells 'mayavi ur a fucknut u idiot'

* R C>
Celorfilas narrates 'wtf is he a moron'

* R C>
Zippo says : and then

* R C>
Zippo says : hed never see it

* R C>
Healy says: oh

* R C>
Vicker narrates 'kill him'

* R C>
Antar narrates 'Writing a mail to Mayavi most likely?'

* R C>sa give me his eq
[emote says 'give me his eq']

Transe narrates 'haha'

* R C>
Ok.

* R C>
Alweon narrates 'even moonglum agrees =)'

* R C>     
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'celorfials'

* R C>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'MAYAVI'

* R C>sa i go die in warrens
[emote says 'i go die in warrens']
Ok.

* R C>
Zippo gives you a metal buckler.
Zippo gives you a water skin.
Zippo gives you a forest green cloak.
a woody, stemmed plant (Tarragon)
Zippo gives you a large piece of raw meat.
Zippo gives you a large sack.
Zippo gives you a thick metal breastplate.
Zippo gives you a great helm.
Zippo gives you a pair of greaves.
Zippo gives you a thick pair of metal boots.
Zippo gives you a thick pair of metal gauntlets.
Zippo gives you a heavy pair of vambraces.
Zippo gives you a black warg fur.
Zippo gives you a plain leather belt.
Zippo gives you a butcher knife.
Zippo gives you a fragrant-smelling bag.

* R C>
Jandor yells 'forek'

* R C>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'u DUCKIHEOD'

* R C>sm
You smile happily.

* R C>
Jandor yells 'i spare'

* R C>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'mucking losers'

* R C>
Jandor yells 'you'

* R C>
Zippo gives you 20 lauren coins.
Alweon yells 'was Mayavi'

* R C>wave
You wave.

* R C>
Jandor yells 'then'

* R C>
Zippo says : is more

* R C>dism

Jandor yells 'mayavi'

* R C>
You stop riding a pack horse.

* C>
Jandor yells 'kills'

* C>cha w 0
Wimpy set to: 0

* C>d
*Moonglum the Black Numenorean* yells 'nod'
It is pitch black...
You are inside.

o C>e
It is pitch black...
You are inside.

o C>wear lantern
You fasten something on your belt.
You light something.

* C>
Zippo tells you 'cmoe back'

* C>l      
Rough Passageway

* C>w
u
An Abandoned Cellar
Exits: East Up.

Old Ruins
The statue of a troll is here.
Alweon is here searching for something, riding a pack horse.
A sturdy pack horse is standing here.
Zippo the Hobbit is here, riding a mountain mule.
Healy the Half-Elf is here, riding the warhorse.
Exits: North East South West Down.

* C>
Zippo tells you 'got warsword'

* C>in
Alweon narrates 'you ok?'
You are carrying:
a fragrant-smelling bag
a butcher knife (battered)
a plain leather belt
a black warg fur (used)
a heavy pair of vambraces (brand new)
a thick pair of metal gauntlets (brand new)
a thick pair of metal boots (brand new)
a pair of greaves (brand new)
a great helm (brand new)
a thick metal breastplate (brand new)
a large sack
a large piece of raw meat
a woody, stemmed plant (Tarragon)
a forest green cloak (used)
a water skin
a metal buckler (brand new)
a dark coloured flask
a dark coloured flask
a dark coloured flask

* C>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'losers'

* C>
Healy yells 'yup'

* C>put all backpack
You put a dark coloured flask in a leather backpack.
You put a dark coloured flask in a leather backpack.
You put a dark coloured flask in a leather backpack.
You put a metal buckler in a leather backpack.
You put a water skin in a leather backpack.
You put a forest green cloak in a leather backpack.
a woody, stemmed plant (Tarragon)
You put a large piece of raw meat in a leather backpack.
You put a large sack in a leather backpack.
You put a thick metal breastplate in a leather backpack.
You put a great helm in a leather backpack.
You put a pair of greaves in a leather backpack.
You put a thick pair of metal boots in a leather backpack.
You put a thick pair of metal gauntlets in a leather backpack.
A heavy pair of vambraces won't fit in a leather backpack.
You put a black warg fur in a leather backpack.
You put a plain leather belt in a leather backpack.
You put a butcher knife in a leather backpack.
You put a fragrant-smelling bag in a leather backpack.
Healy yells 'he is'

* C>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'a all sucb'

* C>
Zippo gives you a leather backpack.

* C>d
An Abandoned Cellar
Exits: East Up.

* C>
Healy yells 'i wasn't'

* C>
Healy yells 'even'

* C>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'kall me linklesv'

* C>
Healy yells 'here'

* C>
Zippo tells you 'stop'

* C>
*a dreadful Orc* yells 'cute'

* C>
*Moonglum the Black Numenorean* yells 'ah ok thanx'

* C>get warsword all.backpack
w
You can't find a warsword in any backpack.

* C>u
Alas, you cannot go that way...

Old Ruins
The statue of a troll is here.
Alweon is here, riding a pack horse.
A sturdy pack horse is standing here.
Zippo the Hobbit is here, riding a mountain mule.
Healy the Half-Elf is here, riding the warhorse.
Exits: North East South West Down.

* C>
Zippo tells you 'cant carry it, too much'

* C>
Zippo giggles.

* C>
Saving Nahar.

* C>exa backpack
backpack (used) : 
a fragrant-smelling bag
a butcher knife (battered)
a plain leather belt
a black warg fur (used)
a thick pair of metal gauntlets (brand new)
a thick pair of metal boots (brand new)
a pair of greaves (brand new)
a great helm (brand new)
a thick metal breastplate (brand new)
a large sack
a large piece of raw meat
a woody, stemmed plant (Tarragon)
a forest green cloak (used)
a water skin
a metal buckler (brand new)
a dark coloured flask
a dark coloured flask
a dark coloured flask
a perfect oak branch
a black arm wrapping (brand new)

* C>
*Moonglum the Black Numenorean* yells 'hehe'

* C>
Healy begins some strange incantations...

* C>
Zippo says : drop some of the unneeded shit

* C>    
Healy utters the word 'ghcandusiohp'

* C>
Healy begins some strange incantations...

* C>
Healy utters the word 'bless'

* C>get all.flask backpack
You get a dark coloured flask from a leather backpack.
You get a dark coloured flask from a leather backpack.
You get a dark coloured flask from a leather backpack.

* C>dro flask
dro flask
You drop the flask.

* C>dro flask
You drop the flask.
MaraJade narrates 'Everyone should direct all prays to Kegan for the next 30 min'

* C>
You drop the flask.

* C>
Healy nods solemnly.

* C>get branch backpack
You get a perfect oak branch from a leather backpack.

* C>dro branch
in
You drop the branch.
The sun sinks slowly below the western horizon.
You feel less protected.

* C>
You are carrying:
a leather backpack
a heavy pair of vambraces (brand new)

* C>st
ak
[cast 'armour' nahar]

Zippo tells you 'gimme bej bt?'

* C>
You are already standing.

* C>
You start to concentrate...
Alweon begins some strange incantations...

dAlweon utters the word 'armour'

A blue transparent wall slowly appears around you.

* C Mana:Burning>
Healy begins some strange incantations...
*Moonglum the Black Numenorean* yells 'forek not me silly'

* C Mana:Burning>rem shield
You stop using a bejewelled shield.
A vicious olog-hai yells 'Bw Elf is Ljag mh Ogueu gunfpgmwoy!'

* C Mana:Burning>
A vicious olog-hai yells 'Un Ejf is pore at Cave!'

* C Mana:Burning>
Healy utters the word 'store'

* C Mana:Burning>
Healy begins some strange incantations...

* C Mana:Burning>give shield zippo
Ok.

* C Mana:Burning>
Healy utters the word 'store'

* C Mana:Burning>
Healy begins some strange incantations...

* C Mana:Burning>
Zippo gives you a great warsword.

* C Mana:Burning>
Alweon giggles.
Healy utters the word 'store'

* C Mana:Burning>
Healy sits down and rests.

* C Mana:Burning>wield sword

The hatch closes quietly.

* C Mana:Burning>
You stop using a double edged eket.
You awkwardly wield a great warsword, ready to protect the weak.
You are too weak to use this warsword effectively.

* C Mana:Burning>
Zippo drops a leather satchel.

* C Mana:Burning>
Zippo smiles happily.

* C Mana:Burning>wield sword
You don't have a sword.

* C Mana:Burning> 
Zippo bows before you.

* C Mana:Burning>yell bonzai

Celorfilas has arrived from the south.

* C Mana:Burning>yell bonzai
Ok.

* C Mana:Burning>yell bonzai
Ok.

* C Mana:Burning>
Ok.

* C Mana:Burning>
Zippo yells 'here it comes'

* C Mana:Burning>
Celorfilas sits down and rests.

* C Mana:Burning>cha w 0
Wimpy set to: 0

* C Mana:Burning>o
[open hatch]

Zippo opens the hatch.

* C Mana:Burning>It's already open!

* C Mana:Burning>d
An Abandoned Cellar
Exits: Up.

* C Mana:Burning>e
Alas, you cannot go that way...

* C Mana:Burning>op cask
e
Ok.

* C Mana:Burning>mw
[cha m w]
Rough Passageway
Exits: North South West.

* C Mana:Burning>
Ok.

* C Mana:Burning>n
d
A Steep Tunnel
Exits: South Down.

* C Mana:Burning>n
Intersection
Exits: North Up Down.

* C Mana:Burning>n
n
Rough Passageway
Exits: North South West.

* C Mana:Burning>n
Rough Passageway
Exits: North South.

* C Mana:Burning>n
Rough Passageway
A demon wolf lurks here, its dark form twisting and hiding its shape.
A demon wolf lurks here, its dark form twisting and hiding its shape.
Exits: North South.

* C Mana:Burning>n
Rough Passageway
Exits: North South.

* C Mana:Burning>n
Rough Passageway
A young and vicious olog-hai eagerly awaits intruders.
Exits: North South.
A vicious olog-hai yells 'Aw Agz if gkue dv Ruaon GtmsangLny!'

Cave
A mailbox stands here stuffed full of messages.
A pair of soft leather boots are on the ground.
A half-decayed corpse of a goblin lies rotting on the ground.
A half-rotten corpse is hanging here.
A huge olog-hai troll is here staring blankly at you.
A young and vicious olog-hai eagerly awaits intruders.
*a Troll* is standing here.
*a Troll* is standing here.
A demon wolf lurks here, its dark form twisting and hiding its shape.
A demon wolf lurks here, its dark form twisting and hiding its shape.
*a fearsome Troll* is standing here.
Exits: South Up Down.
A vicious olog-hai yells 'On EJf is heue ar Carj!'

* C Mana:Burning>
Alas, you cannot go that way...

* C Mana:Burning>
The demon wolf hits your right arm and tickles it.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>
The demon wolf hits your head and tickles it.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>
*a fearsome Troll* leaves vv S O U T H vv.
*a Troll* leaves vv S O U T H vv.
*a Troll* leaves vv S O U T H vv.
You hear some apparently very close noise coming from the south.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>
An olog-hai troll strongly crushes your head and tickles it.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>
A vicious olog-hai joins an olog-hai troll's fight.
An olog-hai troll yells '*an Elf* at Cave. Come quick!'
A vicious olog-hai strongly crushes your left foot.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>
You try to smite the demon wolf, but it parries successfully.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>comf forek
Comfort who?

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>
The demon wolf strongly hits your body.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>
The demon wolf lightly hits your left arm and tickles it.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning the demon wolf:Healthy>f
flee
You flee head over heels.
Rough Passageway
A young and vicious olog-hai eagerly awaits intruders.
Exits: North South.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning>
*a Troll* has arrived from the south.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning>s
*a Troll* leaves ^^ N O R T H ^^.
Rough Passageway
*a fearsome Troll* is standing here.
*a Troll* is standing here.
Exits: North South.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning>
You swiftly dodge *a Troll*'s attempt to smite you.
*a fearsome Troll* crushes your body very hard.
You feel a strong ache there!

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>sm
You smile happily.
*a Troll* has arrived from the north.
You smite *a Troll*'s right leg extremely hard.

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
The demon wolf has arrived from the north.
The demon wolf has arrived from the north.

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
The demon wolf has arrived from the south.
The demon wolf has arrived from the south.
*a fearsome Troll* crushes your right foot very hard.
You feel a strong ache there!

*a Troll* pounds your left foot.
*a Troll* sends you sprawling with a powerful bash.

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
You feel less protected.
The demon wolf strongly hits your right arm.

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
*a fearsome Troll* stops using a heavy morningstar.

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
The demon wolf strongly hits your left hand.
*a Troll* smites your body extremely hard and shatters it.

* C HP:Wounded Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
*a Troll* licks her mouth and smiles.

* C HP:Wounded Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
Healy tells you 'if ya killing self make sure mobs dont get much damage in'

* C HP:Wounded Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
The demon wolf hits your left arm hard and shatters it.
You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!
*a fearsome Troll* hits your left arm extremely hard and shatters it.
You feel a strong ache there!
You are mortally wounded and will die soon if not aided.

* C HP:Dying Mana:Burning *a Troll*:Hurt>
You feel a strong ache there!

You are dead! Sorry...


* C HP:Awful Mana:Burning>
Your head stops stinging.


* C HP:Awful Mana:Burning> 
Nuin kneels down and invokes the Ainulindale.

* C HP:Awful Mana:Burning>quit
Goodbye, friend.. Come back soon!

gom#connection on `mume' closed.
#no connections left. Type #quit to quit.
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forek2000-10-14 06:33:55
I lost link 2xs. Jandor saw it the first and second. This horseshit about me dropping link is rediculous. Mayavi I don't know who the fuck you are, but you have proven your worth to this mud in this log.
My apologies to Zippo and Alweon, who obviously made an effort not to kill me here.
Kreil2000-10-14 07:16:13
Dude!! That sucks...
Comf man.. but very nice form. I have to say if I had known I would of went wimpy or something and fled a lot.

Nice call.. we all..err most of us.. try to be that way.

__the Rock Lobster
Transe2000-10-14 07:49:55
Sorry Forek, I just seen Jandor fighting and casted, didnt realize you were linkless there:(
Cychr2000-10-14 08:26:53
More examples of the wonderful players that play MUME. Mayavi, you are a fucking complete idiot.
Unknown2000-10-14 08:36:07
Second log in a row that puts jandor in a bad light huh, someone must not like him.
Ginlon2000-10-14 08:50:24
I think its more that Jandor do shit that makes
people don't like him :)


Nahar, you are a good guy... and i think everyone
respect what you did.. and you'll probably get demoted
because the management don't want players that like
fair play, or that have guts or honour....

*hugs Forek...
Niccolo2000-10-14 09:10:05
Nahar will have to be demoted to level 1. Rules cross-race is explicit. Management can't allow this kind of action even if it was well intentioned as I'm sure this case was.

Why you say?

Because some less than well intentioned teenager just read this log. This less than well intentioned teen just figured out a way to pass spare eq cross race to his pals and make it look like a good deed. "But Mr. A+ we killed him linkless and I was only giving back his eq!"
Tempest2000-10-14 09:26:30
Too lame for words. It's assholes like Mayavi that get things like wps removed for the rest of us. Goddam no talent little kids.
Cur2000-10-14 09:32:09
Well, with all due respect to the management, I think it's about as hard to
distinguish between such cases as Niccolo seems to be worried about, and
shining examples like Nahar, as putting on a hat. If the current management
doesn't feel up to it, they should go play mortal and let those of us with
any sense of moral decency take over.

Nahar and co. just earned my profound respect. MUME would be a better place if
it rewarded compassionate and brave play like that, instead of the current
wimpiness and cheating (I call hiding behind roleplaying cheating).
Deor2000-10-14 10:09:54
Rules are rules. If Nahar was such a shining example of greatness he wouldn't have tried to loot.

*>q
[get all corpse]

Zippo leaves 造造 U P 造造.
Alweon leaves 造造 U P 造造.
You follow Zippo.
Dark Dreary Forest
Jandor the Dwarf is standing here.
Transe the Half-Elf is standing here.

*>You don't see a corpse to get things from.
Fergus2000-10-14 10:35:08
Sorry to see a linkless death. Why use narrate so much though, especially early
on? Nearly every word spoken was on narrate. Please us narrate a little less,
otherwise sympathy goes to the darkie and SOME of the whities who made an
effort.
nushenak2000-10-14 10:42:36
i tottally agree with cur!
this was great thing to do i say nahar
very nice
Dorak2000-10-14 10:43:55
Well didn't know Mayavi was such a jerk, guess I know now
Pampalini2000-10-14 12:17:06
I really doubt if any1 else then Nahar would do such a move. We all should learn.
He is true character and i've never seen anything more brave on mume b4. Shame on
Mayavi and others who caused this all and in fact killed Nahar.
Pampalini2000-10-14 12:30:25
Niccolo is fucking moron, cant understand fair play just sitting on fucking rules.
You all dont have only little sence for fair play, brave and all those things?
I say, if you demote Nahar i will have to change my meaning about mume. If you
critics guys are the same in rl as in game, i doubt you have any friends and i
pity every1 who has to get on with you :(
PS: Deor you kinda missed why he wanted to loot i think.........





GORETONGUE2000-10-14 12:47:29

Rules were made to be broken

That's a stupid saying

But demoting nahar for that is stupider

Yes, I realize stupider isn't a word in YOUR language

Mumma2000-10-14 13:21:42
Again management succeeds to scare of some good players i think
It's getting a habit, soon we'll just have lameasbitches as Jandor, Daevia and Mayavi left
sucks ass
forek2000-10-14 14:27:20
If management allows shit like jandor and such killing elmo, and then demote nahar for doing an entirely selfless act like suiciding cuz of bullshit done by idiots, I'm done with this game. Nahar was not asked to do what he did. He made an entire choice to do that on a personal level. If ainur can't see this is what mume needs (people with integrity) then demote all my chars too. This game has gone to the shitter in the last 6 months. If you gonna screw someone like Nahar, just shut this game down.
forek2000-10-14 14:51:04
If ainur feels fit to punish nahar in this matter, I want forek removed to level 1, not Nahar. I don't need the guilt of someone like Nahar getting fucked over doing the right thing on this game. So you Ainur make sure I take the hit, not Nahar.
Khorak2000-10-14 14:53:36
Agreed Forek.
N叩mo2000-10-14 15:07:24
A very noble act indeed, I don't deny that.

However, we have some rules in MUME that the players are supposed to follow. Imagine if we let everyone "return" eq cross-race when they think their foe died an unfair death. Players would be returning eq back and forth, mainly to their friends or players they know (lab-players and experienced players getting yet another advantage). It would get out of hand, or don't you think so?

I've said this before, there have been occasions when players have been allowed to _return_ eq cross-race by a V+. However, this was not the case this time. Sorry.
Deor2000-10-14 15:12:50
Regardless of what happened to who there was still a rule blatantly broken. I never said I didn't think what Nahar did was unselfish. Manwe has said several times there is absolutely no giving back of equipment cross race, whether it was a linkless kill or not, its just not allowed. If it was up to the PLAYERS it would be a different story and we would think nothing of it. But there are these people called Implementors and Valar who run this game, not us. If we want to play their game we gotta do it by their rules.

I sympathize for Forek, but we've ALL been killed linkless at some point. It's part of MUME, for better or worse. Get over it. Allowing something like this to go without punishment opens the gates for all kinds of gayers who will cite this as a reference and think they can get away with throwing eq back and forth cross race in the name of 'fairness'. That's what will happen and you all know it.

I don't make the rules around here I just help people see why they are important. Think about in real life, if some dude slaps your sister around and you go beat his face in, you are still going to go to jail even though the cops clap you on the back. They don't want to lock you up but they have no choice.

It makes sense to me anyway. You guys sure can be melodramatic.
Nightwolf2000-10-14 15:35:22
was very noble of Forek and a real player and believer of Fair Play.
Sucks when ainurs demote u for that...*comfort*
hmm jandor pissed on 2x time? *jandor = Lameass ?*
Korf2000-10-14 16:08:47
good post by deor
Newbie2000-10-14 16:38:46
I dont understand you its a just games and you can see on the log that it the player did not wanted any profit by this moves, so why fu&%$& demote him? Its against the rules, but deor said that "there have been occasions when players have been allowed to _return_ eq cross-race by a V+." why not here? .. confusing I read here it was forbidden? and btw if some dude slaps your sister, you can tell the cops to put him in jail, there is still justice (more or less) in our world. Imho nahars move was very honourable, management should judge in his favour, which does not mean that other can break the rules and go away. I admit its a hard decision. I find it worse that other people try to find wholes in some rules and abuse them on purpose but this is another story ..
Darkangel2000-10-14 16:54:46
*Hug Nahar* Ppl like you make this game worth playing! It's insane to demote him for this. Ainurs are dealing with the wrong kind of ppl, u dont demote sameside pkillers and so on but someone who does something honorable? It's ridiculous.
Frail2000-10-14 17:00:56
Deor, I just saw this log and now I am planning a large scale cross race eq trade
via the exact same method as shown in the log above. I was planning on just giving
the eq while multiplaying, but this log elucidates a perfect scheme that I
hadnt thought of before.
*Sarcasm off*
Deor, your posts here alone have shed new light onto your clueless
disposition. I had some serious respect for all your chars, but had no clue
you were such a moron rule bender (ie Tulkas- where the asshole involved would
accually attemp to bend the rules/your actions in hopes of demoting). Rules are
important, buy to assume this will somehow trigger cross race eq transfer is idiotic. The above log
could just have easily been read as one of Nahar's berserker missions he seems
to love, and often fail btw (store fireballs or quakes and spam in).


Deor, I've just lost a lot of respect for someone that I considered a good person.

*spit*
Unknown2000-10-14 17:09:39
Deor is horny to be a V+ so hes sucking as much managemant dick as he can fit
into his mouth.
Nazgum2000-10-14 17:25:56
ROFLMAO!!!! This is what YOU call pk right Mayavi!!
ROFLMAO!!!! Yea also seems fucking fitting jandor would
continue to fucking slaughter someone linkless.

I've returned equip every time i've slain linkless and
i've yet to be demoted. I do it blantantly as well,
yet nahar simply ran in warrens and died. And now
he (a very cool dude) is being punished for it,
how lame.
Oscarmeyer2000-10-14 17:54:22
You might all like to know why mayavi kept saying 'broke link' etc instead of 'lost link'. A while back, I killed him in eregion. After some 10 ticks, I happened across his tracks again in the same area. The tracks deadended, so I just didn't bother. But after another couple ticks, I found tracks again. Mayavi was spamming around looking for his corpse. Then when he was low mps, he would hide his lantern and use quit command. He did this 4 times (that I saw/tracked). Finally, a mob hit him as he tried to quit again moveless, and I killed him again.

Anyway, point is, Mayavi is one that personally abuses game mechanics to gain an advantage, and as such, he sees everyone else that has any trouble as doing the same.
Kaldae2000-10-14 18:10:42
Nahar did in any way looking at this break a some rules, though, he did break them because he was involved in a linkless killing.
Management can in any case punish him for breaking the rules of mume, and thus ofcouse make a statement that says;
"We DONT want you to return eq to those who you by accident killed linkless.
Keep the eq for yourself, or give your friends"

Yes, this is the correct way of saying rules are rules! And by this saying that linkless killing ofcouse is not illegal at all.

Rules are rules, and yes, he should be punished, like take 3k xp from him or simular to that, he is still punished, but it wont be a signal to mume mortals that anyone can be killed linkless...

If Nahar is to be demoted by levels due to this, demote Mayavi dual the levels for killing linkless, then all would be fairly punished.
Nerf2000-10-14 18:12:40
I'm the little puss troll that bashed him, and it went by soooo quickly both Kreil and I thought we had gotten a nice, albeit lucky kill in. We also didn't get him on trophy 'cause those goddamn mobs, but it didn't look like suicide at all to us. Course I got 4 int. but...
OH YEAH, WHEN I FIND OUT WHO THE FUCK FACE PUKE THAT SLEPT ME OUTSIDE OF DT ONE TICK BEFORE DAY IS, MAKING ME SUNDIE, I WILL ASSFUCK YOU INTO NEXT TUESDAY
that is all......
Nerf2000-10-14 18:13:08
Oh yeah, Nahar, you rock dude.....
Elistan2000-10-14 18:23:39
Well, I believe their was a lot of "Lame" people their, and what Nahar did was very noble indeed. The first thing I noticed when reading this log was that some *Dreadful Orc* was linkless. The next thing I noticed was the pukes spam narrating he is linkless, linkdead. The third thing I noticed was that Celorfilas still casted upon him, and Jandor resumed to hunt him down, even though he was linkless. And for Mayavi to kill and loot, was totally lame. Its ever worse than what Nazgum does, so I dont wanna hear Mayavi complain again. The only one I really do respect outa this whole thing would have been Zippo, for giving eq to Nahar, Nahar for taking a bold sacrifice, and Alweon because he noticed that he was linkless and did not continue to hit.
Khwaj2000-10-14 18:33:05


---BoW---

Nahar
Unknown to Nerf2000-10-14 18:34:42
a little birdie told me it was Night, Nerf.
Celorfilas2000-10-14 18:39:10
BTW, Forek died a little later to Brak around DT. He spared me when my link was shot. *comf Forek*
Nerf2000-10-14 18:58:14
THanKs little birdie, i heard that too....growl
Alweon2000-10-14 18:59:40
Well, i stopped reading the comments where i got pissed off... about where i realized that the gods were gonna demote nahar. In jandor and transe's defence, they were probably standing in the escape route room when Forek fled north to them. I am not sure, but i don't think you see '*Forek the Orc* has arrived from the south (Linkless).' If you do, at least they didn't whack him when he went up.
Basically this game can suck my fucking cock if Nahar gets demoted. I am fucking tired of gods who rarely play this game and experience feelings in this game that active players do that will demote people for such reasons.
You wanna put in rules about no cross-race eq transfer when a moron kills someone linkless. Implement a new rule that the same player is fair game to those more noble and can be slaughtered (ie Mayavi).
Otherwise if this is how its going to be, demote all my fucking characters and i will waste the time i spend on mume somewhere else.
Salmar2000-10-14 19:03:46
Nahar rocks and all u fucking rulewhores shut up. Nahar, instead many of u, seems
to understand the factors that make this game enjoyable. If he gets demoted then
mume has become a rulemud. No fun, just rules... everywhere. I accept demoting couple
levels, not to level 1. You can't be that harsh to a player who just wanted to do a
right thing. Like some1 before said, things like sameside pkilling are allowed while
something like that isn't. Sucks.
Fredde2000-10-14 19:23:00
dident read the log that carefully, but you sacrifieced your life for him to get eq back?

if so your the player we need more off. that was fucking brave, you really deserve a statue like trix =) on W-ford. all hats of for you. sucks you prolly will get demoted
Alweon2000-10-14 19:23:21
Point being, this aint rl. The big tip off for me was when i learnt how to conjure up a fireball from thin air! So why try make as many aspects of it rl as you can, yet let other aspects remain completely fake.
Mume is a place where one can escape reality and in some cases, it lets you be a vigilante (ie. killing those you see deserve to die. eg. orcs, trolls, black numenoreans.). I don't understand how in nearly all cases where someone is 'noble' the gods find some way to fuck em. sample Rule#1 Can not give eq back when someone dies linkless. "Remedy for Rule#1" Make it, you can't give eq back when someone dies in a lame way other than linkless. You will still get purposeful linkless killers that will keep the eq, but when someone is unintentionally killed that person has the option to give eq back..
Sample Rule#2 You must kill all of the opposite race, if you can. No sparing, communication, healing. --> This rule suggests that even if you see *an Orc* (Linkless) it is your duty to slay his ass. "Remedy for Sample Rule#2" No sparing of opposite race, UNLESS he is (Linkless). If you choose to kill him (Linkless) consider yourself fair game to those more nobler than thou.

People say, LInkless is like slipping on a banana peel in combat. Well no, that is fumbling. Linkless in MUME is like having your mind and all controll RIPPED out of your body by an otherworldly force for an undetermined period of time. It would be more like seeing *an Orc* is lying here in a coma appearing to be completely dead. I wouldn't see many people poking it with a stick, and then chopping its head off, would you?
Nazgum2000-10-14 19:24:57
oh yea, i also wanted to point out, that on MORE then one occassion
i have seen or heard about Mayavi PRETENDING To be linkdead
when he is in trouble knowing that some players will cease to kill
him. Then once he has moves he insta spams away. he's done this
to me personally more then once now.

Morons like this is what keeps game from having rules about linklessness,
cudos to you asshole.

*comf forek and nahar*
Alweon2000-10-14 19:32:13
Sorry for yet another comment, i must be making Shadrach itch like he was bitten by fire ants atm.
You want RL, here is rl. There are those that make and enforce the rules. (police, judges, senate, blahblah government.)
There are those that oppose these laws. Protesters, rebel factions and so on.
Laws become outdated, and are in somecases UPdated to today's society standards.
Look at the comments posted here Mr. Oppressive Men above us. I think its a general concencus that these rules need to be tweaked a little. Do the right thing and be a democracy for once please. In the 3.5 years i have been here, i have seen ONE democratic event. That is when Manwe opened a testmud to see if we liked the move regen changes after they were implemented and werent working so well. I applaud him there.
In RL we have maybe 2-3 communistic dictatorships left on this planet. Is mume to be ruled this way?
Khwaj2000-10-14 19:47:56
Too namo...

You say you demote him for this ?

then demote the trolls that killed orcs in warrens its against the rules
*RULES TROLLS*

if you dont demote them you should not demote Nahar.


grunge2000-10-14 19:54:43
man, alot of bad blood lately.....
nahar rocks.
Ethar2000-10-14 20:03:40
hey jandor, reading this log, i recall a certain conversation we had, about a certain thing a character of yours, and a certain thing you said to me, about how you always do the certain thing that you did to me, because people always did that certain thing to me? really man thats being twofaced after i read things you say in this log
Ethar2000-10-14 20:04:54
oh ya and the reason jandor did this certain thing to me with a certain character was because he said i did the thing that forek was said to have done to avoid you know what
Diam2000-10-14 20:38:20
Ouch :-
Nahar2000-10-14 21:02:54
if it was coded that when you are engaged linkless, you will have a shadow
if you die it would avoid most of these crossrace eq transfers for linkless
death, you could simpy protect his shadow until he is able to come loot it
Paragond2000-10-14 21:22:41
In our society (and I don't care where you live, this holds true) there are
certain people who are tasked with judging cases of crime and the breaking of
rules. Not every judge sits at his little podium and says RULES ARE RULES, now
rot in prison! They ADJUST the punishments to fit the circumstances. I happen
to know for a fact that at least some of the ainu are smart enough to realize
this.

Take saurons list for exmaple. I whacked elfy at bree and was threatened with
elbereths list next time I do it. If I had whacked nahar (which of course I
wouldn't) I would be on saurons list right now. The ainur MOLDED the punishment
(in my case with elfy, warning) to fit the circumstances. THINK before you
demote for christ sake. If manwe says absolutely no transferring of eq, give
nahar a warning about next time perhaps talking to a valar to get the eq back?

Please send the right message here. Kaldae hit the nail on the head I think.
It's ok to kill characters linkless and keep the equipment with absolutely no
punishment. That is the message being sent currently.

Let the stroke of doom fall lightly this time, and let all here realize that
killing linkless is wrong while at the SAME time sending the message that it is
good to return equipment under certain circumstances in the PROPER manner.

I have spoken.
Unknown2000-10-14 21:23:19
If so people would have triggers to drop link on incap to be 100% sure to get shadow - no thanks.
Lochdale2000-10-14 21:33:09
All this talk of rules and law is making me so happy as I sit in my office reading these logs. I want to point out that Deor is right. As distasteful as it may sound (and Deor is the brave one getting flamed for saying it) the law (or laws) are made for the reasonable man. That is, they are there to protect and respond to for certain, generic situations. It is very difficult to tailor any law to adapt to varying specific circumstances (that is why we have the element test in both code and common law jurisdictions). There are 2 ways to handle the application of a law: 1) Bright-line test: i.e. the '33 and '34 U.S. Securities acts. You do x, it will equal y regardless of how or why you got to x. Once at y there is strict liability, meaning No MITITGATION AT ALL. Mume law on Cross-race equip transfer fits this model. 2) Allow the proof of the crime to be objective but the decision to be subjective. That is, in a murder trial, motive is irrelevant as to burden of proof and can only be used to support the contention that the elements of murder have been met. The subjective element is when the evidence is presented to a jury and they make a decision based on both the evidence and there own feelings etc. We can't have this type of decision making in Mume. It is to unwieldy and ripe for abuse (see O.J. Simpson trial). And for any law to be taken seriously it must be uniformly enforced, without regard to mitigating circumstances.

That said, Jandor what sort of fucking ejit are you? Nazgum, why do u even waste your breath on someone like Mayvai?
Transe2000-10-14 21:47:31
Why is Jandor getting flamed for this? We didnt realize when we entered, and
stopped soon as we noticed narrates, and Jandor was yelling sorry to him.
Mayavi2000-10-14 21:48:34

Oh lordie lord, I retire for night and fuckwits spam board with hate posts.

Look, morons. I was at escape route and Forek comes in, I hit him, he flees south.
He wouldve been hit by mobs if he fled N. I narrate forek at escape route. Others come
and hit him. Suddenly he is linkless. I stop.
Then I hear him yelling curses. I track him and stab. He wasn't linkless when
I stabbed.

NOW, fuckwits, I don't care what you dream up about 'honor'. I have left people
live linkless even with the best eq ever in game. e.g. Durcano at caved in a few days
earlier. Let Forek check his history and it will NOT say he died linkless.

As for Trapgum, blow a goat, you SOB. 'Let me live many times eh?' Bah such nerdish
lies. OM gets lucky once and he thinks he rules. ANY TIME OM you feel like pking,
just let me know. ANY TIME, punk. I kicked your and Girando's ass SOLO at demon cave
recently, didn't I? Both of you fled Bad/Awful and this was without poison!

Frigging shit players trying to claim 'honor' by looting people they didn't kill and
then doing illegal cross-race trade. Is Nahar rl friend with Forek? I think he
might well be.

Now fuckwits, go and bend over for Nahar, who has died lots of times to my darkies anyway.
He sucks at pk and thinks he is a god. The old Nahar was Cavalier, I think. The
new one is a freaking moron.
N叩mo2000-10-14 22:00:54
Using strong words doesn't make a sentence more true. Ok here we go:

1. If it wasn't possible to kill someone who lost link, everyone would drop link when near death.

2. If someone decides (or just happen to) kill a linkless person. Then that person is dead and will remain so with the loss of xp/tp. There will never be a reimb.

3. If the slayer decides to loot the body of the linklessly killed person, the eq shall not be returned cross-race, unless a V+ says he can do so.

4. If the looter (or someone else for that matter) decides to return the eq anyway, he will be punished.

5. If the killers/enemies don't want the eq, for they think that the linkless person died an unfair death. They can, but should not, refrain from looting the corpse. I wouldn't wanna see a trend with players leaving unlooted corpses with super equipment in.

Being a V+ means an endless spam from players who think they know what's right and wrong in MUME. "I need to get a reroll for blablablble" and "I'm gonna kill him three times now, because he killed me and took my eq, it's a fair deal!". The management sets the stage, and you play on that stage, if you don't like it, then leave. Of course we listen to opinions from mortals, but when people are using caps or tend to curse all the time it gets rather tiresome. I know that at least I stop listening then.

REGARDING THE PUNISHMENT OF NAHAR: it was pretty much decided long ago. Stop worrying about it. I know that at least I couldn't care less for all the emotional comments on this forum, I formed my own opinion from reading the log. (I did listen to most of the comments though)
Reivax2000-10-14 23:17:11
You smite *a Troll*'s right leg extremely hard.

Nahar rocks!
I'm getting myself a warsword!


Oh, and don't start yelling next time you reconnect Forek.
I know you probably had lots of hps when you got dropped, but its better too try and run like hell instead of starting too yell ; ).
Nahar to Mayavi2000-10-14 23:44:40

>The old Nahar was Cavalier, I think. The
>new one is a freaking moron.

Umm sorry to inform you, but I am the one who created nahar, and have been playing him for the last 6-7 years.

Mayavi2000-10-14 23:46:14

The one who used to charm 8 hungries and raid shire?
Nah, can't be.
Alweon2000-10-15 00:23:44
Good thing you seem to be playing a solo character because noone would group with your whiney, overconfident, linkdropping, linkdrop-faking, ass. You are moron in the truest sense of the word if you think you rock more than any of the people you listed =) Get yourself a larger vocabulary than 'fuckwit' before you flame people, as you sound like a child =)
Alweon2000-10-15 00:24:38
Oh, and Durcano could kickyour ass even linkless =)
Deor2000-10-15 00:32:57
The problem with just letting this or any other broken rule go is that it gives a false message to other people that the V+ aren't going to back up the rules they make. It's like they teach you about riots:

A large crowd (In this case mume population) is assembled somewhere for a common reason. Most people are docile, just trying to show their beliefs. But out of every 100 people there is 1 person more radical towards his cause and does something that provokes a lot of emotion in the crowd like throwing a rock. (Or dying on purpose as Elf to give an Orc back his eq)

Now if this rock thrower isn't punished immediately for his actions, all it does is show people that they might get away with it. There is a period of observation where people evaluate what happens to the rock thrower. If nothing happens to him, the next time there will be 3 rock throwers rather than the one.

Then the crowd stops to watch what happens again. If nothing happens then all of a sudden you have everyone throwing rocks, tipping cars, whatever.

So it doesn't matter who, what, when or why with this specific case, it only matters that something is done for a rule being broken so that others don't continue to break the rule and cite this as a reference to why they should be able to get away with it. Because you know down the line some retarded lab or a couple of players are going to recreate this as a way to transfer eq in the name of fairness.

As for all you Unknowns who think I kiss V+ ass, it just shows you really don't know me. I've stuck my foot so far into my mouth trying to stand up for changes that I think hurt the game my toes are popping out of my ear. I'm prolly the last in line for any consideration to V+ because of it.
Hollow2000-10-15 00:42:10
What's a fuckwit?
Ti叩2000-10-15 00:49:41
#trig {Linkless} {#col red,bold}

He wasn't linkless when you entered, bullfuckingshit.

'Now fuckwits, go and bend over for Nahar, who has died lots of times to my darkies anyway. He sucks at pk and thinks he is a god. '

Muahaha, i needed that laugh, it's been a long day. Mayavi, who the fuck are you and do you even know who else Nahar is? Are you TRYING to act stupid or are you just blessed with it?

Nahar, you rock, you always have. *hugs* Ppl like you make the game worth sticking around for, there's not much left to it.
Ti叩2000-10-15 00:50:34
And btw..nuking him to within 5 hps of his life and then saying "OH! He connected THEN we killed him so he wasn't linkless!!!!!!"

Duh. What are you, people with the mentality of 10 years old, or ARE you 10 year olds? Lamers.
Mayavi=Ginlon2000-10-15 01:03:09
HAAAAHAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA TO U TIA
Blackfoot2000-10-15 01:17:32

* To namo * and other Imps: I agree with Khwaj's comment, that is,
how can you justify demoting Nahar for his selfless act, yet the troll
Grand, who undeniably repeatedly and unremorsefully broke the rules
regarding sameside PK was yet again "warned"?

And to Lochdale , Deor, and other Lawfull Good alignment-types: your
logic is correct, however you are taking this WAY too seriously. This is
not a "court of Law", not a MURDER trial, not some race riot in Los Angeles
where order must be maintained at the cost of human lives. Get real.
Additionally, your motive for enforcing the "law" as it is written, without
any consideration of mercy (level 1??), is pathetic. To prevent some
lab-group down the line from re-creating this scheme, illegally transfering
eq and citing Nahar as precedence? Is that worth demoting Nahar? It looks
to me like someone has a grudge against Nahar...either that or it is just
plain stupidity.

Oh, and Deor, where was that "rules are rules" mantra a couple months
ago when your mortal was logged abusing the ACTS command to mislead a *man*
into thinking you were (linkless)?


forek2000-10-15 01:30:46
I've decided to answer a couple questions being spammed on me on mume:
1) why u picking on jandor?
Answer: while this log doesnt' show it, jandor hit me prior to flag link and saw me reconnect. he then said shit no flag sorry. I yell american link fucked and freeze again. He knew I was fucked up and hit me anyway. And Transe was in the room as well, so this bullshit about not knowing anything is just that: bullshit.
2) Do Nahar and I know each other rl?
answer: no. We have been friends on mume 6 years running. Did I know he was even on the game when this whole thing transpired? nope. he was nonamer to me. There are few people here in 6 years that I can say have stood by me as I learned this game. 2 actually come to mind, P(nahar) is one of them. People that think this was a cheat move have no clue.
3) If people think I give a rats ass about the equip, they are entirely off-base, and I don't think people are worked up about equip on this issue. I think this issue just touches on one of the major flaws of this game at the moment: That idiots can mess with people and not be punished, while others can do something noble and face punishment. If I've learned anything from this incident, it's that I have a true friend in p(nahar), more than I realized. For that I am honored. Btw, I would just love to know what other chars Mayavi play, cuz he seems SO put together.
Juston2000-10-15 01:37:06
I hate the fact that some rules are enforced vigilantly but then if something asinine that isn't on rules (summon-stealing, same-side pkill on darkie side, etc.) they back off no matter how idiotically cut-and-dry it is that this person is an asshole. Bleh
Darkangel2000-10-15 01:45:15
Definately agree with Tia. *Hugs girlie* :O)
I've said it before and I'm saying it again: Demote those moronic sameside pkillers/stealers, before u deal with this kind of honorable 'crimes'.
Mayavi2000-10-15 02:55:00

LOL Alweon, anytime you feel like it, tell me and i can kick the crap outta you.
Jeez, some kids these days. Who is your darkie? I will make it a point to kill
him as many times as I see him :)

Tia, blow a goat. You think a linkless char can just run to escape route from whereever
he was fighting outside? All this makes me wonder if next time I should worry
about obviously linkless people anyway. Well, you all are on notice.
Don't expect mercy from me - link or no link from now on ever. :)

And yes, keep whining. I love to see it.
Mayavi2000-10-15 03:03:19

What chars do you play forek? From seeing how clueless Alweon is, I would've guessed
alweon but he is just another pisspot of nazgum, nothing more.
So who else do you play? :P
forek2000-10-15 03:50:28
forek2000-10-15 03:51:46
I lost link in forest. Jandor I would imagine hit me into warrens. You still wonder if I lost link? Fucking idiot.
Gastone2000-10-15 05:08:31
Loves all
Antar2000-10-15 06:11:55
Alweon is not Nazgum.
I'm gonna do what I can not to piss anyone off here...

Forek - Has a shitty American link, I've tried to give him many a tell to get "He is linkless..."

Jandor - At times I hate him and want him dead. Other times I'm glad he's grouped with me. He's done some stupid shit, and I'm sure we all have. It is quite possible he was horny for a kill and spammed not seeing linkless? Shitty link doesn't mean spare life, sorry. =(

Mayavi - Got kill and wps. Dunno whoelse Mayavi plays, and I don't really care.

Deor - HAS BIG SACKS. The fact that he's gone to all this trouble to explain to use what happened and what's been/being done. I still think this guy is one of the best ainur in the game, mainly cause he's got a high level job, and is doing his job whether or not he likes it.

Namo - Dunno if he still plays or not, since I'm a newbie, but same with him. He's still sticking up for the game which he probably loves whether he plays or not. I doubt he agrees with the rules that are in place, because of these "occasions" but still inforces 'em. I tip my hat to thee.

Nahar - No clue whom else he plays, but I'd love to know. He's also very gutsy for the action he took. And if he never posted this log and just spoke with p(Forek), this never woulda happened...

Lochdale - Lawyer that follows the laws too much.

Antar - Newbie who knows nothing.
Kroms2000-10-15 07:39:48
Nahar,
I offer to help power lvl you any time im on just give a tell. You will be back up no time (*Wishes that shit like this didnt happen*)
Assholes are assholes is all i got to say
Kroms2000-10-15 07:46:10
Nahar,
I offer to help power lvl you any time im on just give a tell. You will be back up no time (*Wishes that shit like this didnt happen*)
Assholes are assholes is all i got to say
Kroms2000-10-15 07:46:25
Nahar,
I offer to help power lvl you any time im on just give a tell. You will be back up no time (*Wishes that shit like this didnt happen*)
Assholes are assholes is all i got to say
N叩mo2000-10-15 09:40:00
Yes I still play the game, both darkies and whities and usually more than a couple of hours a week.

Anyway,

Grand is a different issue. When it comes to same-side pk'ing on the darkie side Gods have decided not to do much. Darkies are chaotic creatures, we very seldom meddle in darkie-darkie pk.
The one exception for this is Trolls, they should not "make a career" out of killing darkies in warrens, due to the simple fact that it's a haven for other darkies and doing so is simply too... easy, unfair.

I read a post on the orc board about Grand killing Orcs in warrens, so I begun checking these orcs histories -> only one of the orcs named in that post had died in warrens lately. To a young troll (this was Dispater as you all have read on this logpage). Grand didn't have a single Orc on his trophy.

We do not demote players on hearsay, if a bunch of orcs scream "hey that troll is killing us", I want to see some evidence. The log here is one obvious piece of evidence. But I won't demote Grand for killing _one_ Orc, for the same reason that I very seldom Saurons list a whitie for murdering _one_ whitie. Grand has been severely warned, and if he continue doing this, he will be punished.
Blackfoot2000-10-15 09:52:42

It would make more sense to me to "severely warn" Nahar, and demote Grand.

Uldrak2000-10-15 13:14:18
Check Mayavi's last log 'Morgral dies in warrens' and then he writes this is
what pk is supposed to be like. *stare* not in my eyes
Hannibal2000-10-15 14:08:06
i think it was a ridicoulous move...
very nice, but still silly

its a game, why care so god damn much? *shrug* i cant say i wouldnt be pissed as hell if i was forek... but wtf?
Goldberg2000-10-15 14:10:41
mayavi<=== ass who hasnt got a clue
transe<=== does what shes(hes?) told to do
forek <=== should have ran away
nahar <=== tried to save the day
jandor<=== sucky player at best
GOLDBERG <=== says MAYAVI your next


Lindos2000-10-15 22:58:53
After seeing how some ppl behave. I must admit i am very happy i dont have a vala. Being forced to listen to such imature foul languages. SIGH. ITS A GAME.
I wanna pk like2000-10-16 00:06:37
*an Orc* has arrived from the south.
k *man*
k *man*
10 minutes later i will realize to hit *an Orc*
Shrunken2000-10-16 04:57:14
Mayavai, thats one of the most pathetic feats I've ever seen.

I have never known Nahar, an experienced player and from what I remember a good guy, to do anything wrong before. If the managment wants to enforce this it should be a slight demotion or warning, not demote to level 1. It just doesnt seem fair, the transfer wasn't helping him. I think this should have been a news item also, instead of just on this forum. I think Nahar just got mad, and did the wrong thing.
Fergus2000-10-16 08:57:16
Well, I totally agree with Antar. Deor and Namo thanks for taking time to
explain the state of affairs. I feel sorry for Nahur but can see the valid
points of the ainur.
Bamse2000-10-16 12:43:34
Wouldn't it have been better to just charge into warrens and
die 'accidentally' without posting this 'look what a hero I am' log.
Then ya might have got away with it.

Anyways, why does everyone get so hung up on linkless kills?
Allwys happened, allways gonna happen. Don't play if yer link
sucks unless yer prepared to die linkless.

Ok, comf anyways.
Ghostly2000-10-16 14:44:54
The rules are clear: no cross-race eq is allowed. HOWEVER, v+ are not subject to rules, and can (RARELY) give permission for rules to be broken - ie in this case for the eq to be given back. It's happened in the past, and maybe we should set some clearer policy for it.....but regardless - do not give eq crossrace without asking a v+ first.

Personally, I sympathise....Nahar is obviously doing this out of some sort of mume "sportsmanship", which is something rather lacking nowadays I think.
Elestir2000-10-16 16:54:26
Give linkless ppl different targets-keys. Then anyone who wanna kill linkless
will have to explicitly write so. Or if you think its not good idea, tell me why.

I always thought we have rules to make it fair for all whoever play the game.
If it is still possible to play unfair, then rules are not good enough.
Cool ppl that play this game don't need rules. Only lamers like p(Grang, Strine)
need them and yet all you see is they are protected by these rules (justice
system etc). Almost like in RL where the gangsters are actually protected by the
law more than the victims.
Mouser the Griz2000-10-16 17:49:06
*laugh* Deor. I love the rock throwing analogy .... now I picture squads
of kamakazi suicide legends running into Warrens to give back equipment
(of course Nacs already does something like this on a regular basis *tickle*)

The mental pictures aside ... Deor's point is a strong one. As much as I feel
for Nahar and his efforts the higher ups have expressly forbid such actions.

I must also say that this is one of the few truly linkless kills I have seen
posted. There is no doubt about the linkless flag.

responding to Elestir .... then Malavyi will have to make a new alisas
kl => kill 1.linkless *cackle* might possible use that already by labeling his
kills ... label linkless 1.orc
Cur2000-10-16 21:41:40
Well. About the rock-throwing analogy, I have this to say. Mume is not a riot.
It is a game, has rules, and real people play it. That does not mean MUME
resembles real life in any way, other than the aforesaid. So since it is a game,
the gamemasters or referees (the ainu, in this case) have to have some sort
of control over what happens in the game. To do this, they lay out a set of
rules. They try to make their interpretation of the rules clear, so there will
be no transgressions by mistake. But sometimes the rules are unclear, and
contradictory. Then the Ainu have to make a verdict.

With me so far? Now let's move on to the point at hand.

There are many things one can do on MUME that can get oneself demoted. One way
is to kill same-side. Another is cross-race eq transfer. Yet another way is
multiplaying. And let's not forget banking. And so on and so forth. If you
violate any of these rules, you're in trouble, and the rules say you will be
demoted.

The problem is, not all people get demoted for breaking these rules. The ainu
have always (or so I thought) tried to base their decision upon how flagrant
the rule-breaking is, whether it was done by mistake, whether it was the first
time and for what purpose it was done, etc etc etc. And I'm sure we can all
name at least several instances where people have gotten away with breaking
these rules, even more than once. And when there has been some sort of
punishment, it has by no means always been demoting to lvl 1.

The above is not subject to dispute; it is fact.

Then I really fail to see how Nahar's case warrants demoting him to level 1,
even when a lot of players (including the more experienced ones) and several
gods have said he showed spirit that MUME is seriously lacking these days. I'd
say that mitigates his circumstances to say the least.

If the gods are afraid of setting an example; that people will come to expect
leniency, they are too late as the example has already been given. The
multitude of people that have got little or no punishment for breaking rules
during the past years has always given players reason to expect, or at least
hope, that they will get away with some serious rule-bending. And I believe that
few of those that got away with little or no punishment had as noble a reason
for doing whatever it was they did, as Nahar had. He certainly didn't do it for
his own personal gain.

So the only reason I can imagine the gods could have to punish him, is so that
they can look strict and in control of the mud. And this is where I have issues.
I work rl with all kinds of people. I'm a prisonguard, work with groups of
teenagers that have behaviour problems, teenagers who have had cancer,
handicapped people and criminals doing community service, to name a few. In the
course of my work and studies in psychology, I've learned that yes, indeed rules
are important to keep control over environments that contain groups of people.
But the rules are only tools for the controller. And you won't meet any
practicing psychologist that won't tell you that sometimes it is neccesary to
bend the rules. You just have to be sure you're bending them for the right
reasons, and that the risk will pay off. I've always thought that rules in
games we play for our leisure are a very good example of this. When you're
playing with your friends, you don't always force any rule of football or bridge
or chess or whatever it is you're playing. You don't argue to death when
playing a non-tournament game of tennis with an acquaintance (sp?) whether or
not that ball was in or out. If he's sure the ball was out, you give him the
point. And vice versa. If it goes both ways, the game flows nicely and you both
have fun. And if he starts saying 'that was out!' whenever you hit the goddamn
ball you put your foot down, of course. It's as simple as that. YOU decide how
things work out. It's not up to the rules or your opponent only, but YOURSELF.
If you're insecure or somehow afraid of taking control, you're in trouble.
Because that will either mean that you slavishly adhere to any written letter
in the rules, and enforce them ruthlessly, or you let your opponent have his
way and take one up the heinie every time you bend over for the soap, which your
opponent keeps throwing to the floor. You get the picture.

So I'm saying that there is no problem here. The gods CAN decide to be lenient
in Nahar's case, as what he did was extremely evidently not done for his own
benefit (unless he gets off on the attention, in which case I say: Let Him!).
And if players start assuming that they can transfer eq freely by suiciding to
darkies, put your foot down. It's as simple as this. You have control, so take
it. Using your judgment can never be worse than not using it.

This is a long comment, and I'm sorry about that, but I hope someone is still
reading these old log comments. If you do, please reply here what you think, or
mumemail me @Cur or @Roadkill. :-)
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