*comf* and luck with Elena :)
if need some i'll help you with russian yazik :)

Good to see that someone is enforcing the action ban. Now if someone could just bust the ones that still autotrack, autofollow and autohit...

Great job, management, keep nuking people who cant follow rules "try to turn it off" my ass, you had time to set a target there, then you have time to turn off your actions. or even better, DONT HAVE ANY AT ALL!

pat *Unknown*
show name then write comments.
play telnet and die :P

To bad is sad that mgmt catches the people who play the game fair and dont
to those that don't. There are many a player in this game that action hit
and it's pretty well known fact they do, just that they never get caught...
why dont you snoop some of these people

Well what Fror said
If you have to use flee action and shite, why not make actions to
auto-disable them whenever you run into an *enemy*.
Somehow i get the feeling that you'd be screaming for a stronger
punishment if it had been fingeror who got busted and not you...

Double-standards suck, you dig?
Have fun runker, not like you'll be gone for long...

If so many people have triggers for fleeing, then maybe some changes should be made in the game so that it isn't necessary. I know from personal experience that Seeing whether or not you fled during a fight or Xping, and having time to react and flee again, and having a shitty link SUCKS!!!
When you play from a link that requires you to spamenter the next 2 or so commands that you want to go through, this puts you at a huge disadvantage. AND spamming flee to make sure that you get out can be just as deadly. Why not add another command to keep fleeing until you leave the room? I mean, if we are REALLY role playing here, let's think about how reality would be... You enter battle, you are getting your arse kicked, you decide to run to try to save your life, you struggle to get out but can't... YOU KEEP TRYING without having to make a concious decison hrm, yes, I still want out..

Sorry for the rant, the whole flee thing has been one of my biggest dislikes for mume from the beginning, or at least when I figured out there were people with links that would be in the room waiting on me when I fled. Me being able to have a trigger made it a little more fair, but not completely. Link is too important in mume, sucks to be me. I will stop bitching now!

all these damn gods are actin like dicks latley . if we dont do what they want we dont get anything but to sit in morgal vile or get deleted...... Yes but if it wasnt for us players this wouldnt be a good mud......

that many have actions to hit is no doubt bullshit, they would be caught very very fast, how often dont you think invis v+ snoop for example isolde or fingeror (how do you think he was caught auto tracking?). very very few have, if anyone. and if cheating was allowed vahn, it wouldnt be a good mud.

I play on telnet and have no problems Ariala. If you don't want to get busted for using triggers, here's a simple suggestion: Don't use em! You don't need them to play Mume, ever. If you do need them, then you obviously suck since you need such a crutch to play.

I telnet too, Ariala, and have few problems; in fact, I think it's a lot faster than when I used to play with zmud. Of course, I pkill (as Nerak) about as often as the Cubs win the World Series so I'm no exactly a marking post of warlord behavior :-)

Hrm, sometimes when smobbing you really do need flee-action (chief, willow etc.) if you don't have it you mobrip. I use actions when exping or smobbing, but i also have actions to turn all actions off as soon as i see a darkie. It's easy, and sometimes flee-action saves you from certain death in pk so ti aint fair (like in closable which is spammed open and close at the same time). And if you wanna make flee a delayed command then there will be no casters smobbing soon. Flee is an important part of MUME (hit-flee, shoot-flee, cast-flee and or course spam-flee :) But actions make it REALLY unfair to those who don't use em..

didn't read any comments, but why is a panic trigger so necessary? i have never used on and probably never will. i guess i just see as, you fail a flee, you take another round, unless you have a bind, that you can tap quickly.

PEOPLE USE TELNET LIKE ME! =)

Hehe, no triggers no aliases no shit just a typing diplom and telnet (Tera Term Pro then coloured telnet =P )

Then this problems do not occur =P

Nice that da gods enforce the rules. Othervise the most ppl follow em and others get unfair advantages. Now ppl know that if you cheat it can HURT. As already said, can you do a actionflee trigger you can make an action turn it off as fast *XXX* is seen. If not you cheat as soon you encounter an enemy, therefore you cant use em. Simple.

I never use panic triggers, its clearly stated that if you're caught in pk using em you get punished. *shrug*

if u cheat u get demoted, that freaking simple. I've
never had an action flee trigger, but if u insist on
having one for "mobs" as u like to claim, set up
your client trigger with an If {*enemy* & actionflee=on}
actionflee=off or something.

yes, I wouldnt xp without actionflee either - hell - moria as BN without action
flee would suck ass - but as someone said before - if you use autoflee actions
use actions to auto-turn it off too

Let all 200ms + links use triggers. Drop the pretense. I've been saying this for months. Sub 50 link you don't need triggers unless you have no arms.

*sniff* Was only one level dude. And you did break a rule (even if its one that most people think is silly). A pity mume justice is never dealt out equitably tho... there are certain people who can't get demoted no matter how hard they try.

Anyways good luck with Elena! *drool*

Lochdale and how you going to imp that idea *peer*

Sabbo, no I wouldnt, because I dont think it should be illegal anyway.
It just makes swedehoralinks that much more powerful. But how I feel about
the rule is totally irrelevant.
In response to a couple other comments, taking a level & gear isnt so
bad for being busted "cheating". I just feel that v+ "justice" is meted
out impartially and arbitrarily and have decided I dont care to participate
any longer. Better things to do, etc. Primarily, score me a russian gymnast =)

Im out like michael jackson

so actions illegal makes fast links more powerful, is that it? And what the fuck do you think actions do then, if not a fast link POWERFUL? Are you dumb or are you just pretending to be retarded?

Sheesh im a swede with average 180 ms link tell me i rock please?

Skojardu

We all know why "unknown" doesn't enter a name--cowardice. If you are
working under the assumption that Swedes are playing on a good link,
triggers or no triggers they are going to beat the crap-linked. Thusly,
banning triggers on PANIC only makes the situation worse for the crap-linked.
MORON.

Moooo.

Best way to solve the problem of actions/clients/etc is to have a required
"mume-only" client. The client would be much like a norma client but allow
only things deamed appropriate. Then ecrypt the data stream to and from the
client and server to protect it from being altered. In effect, Mume's problem
is the same one that hampered internet play of the earliet Quake games: client
side bots/cheats

I agree with Known..I think...

Daevia such bots still hamper online shootemups. See September 23 Economist on same.

Play with a good old telnet session and 10000 aliases, it gives you a kick when you PK. Drop all this bot-playing...

so Daevia that means there is only gonna be a windows client? *shiver*

You never ever ever, did I mention ever, need a panic trigger. Been around forever, and never have my casters needed something as crappy as a trigger, or even thought I needed one. Now if you suck that bad maybe Mume's just too hard for you and you should hone your skills on an easier, client friendly mud!

I play straight telnet; always have, always will. Those of you who think actions don't help are so full of shit your ears leak sewage. How can you say actions to, say, open a door without even typing don't give an advantage? Your opponent, if playing on slow link + telnet, requires double the time for commands to go through. So, opening a door takes a HUGE time allotment, by comparison with someone with a faster link and no need to enter a command to open the door.

Tempest, you already said that, you arrogant swine.
Repeating an idiotic doesn't make it true.

Maybe I will come back just long enough to see Tempest is dead! R.I.P!

All tempest needs is a 2400 baud and he rocks Baph. I mean havent you heard his I played straight telnet from 2400 and kicked swede ass story at least 100 times? *poke*

Well.. i say, lets make all actions legal, and then
someone have to teach me how to make triggers...:)

I actually have learnt how to autoloot coins.. and I'm
damn proud of that, so there!

But seriously, actionhunting etc sucks, but I think it'stupid
that management have to take things to the extreme always...

Idiotic isn't a noun twinkie hugger. And if you really think you can kill me without a trap, more power to you! You'd get some really nice loot out of the deal if you can you know!

I'm a poet. I take "poetic license" with the language when I see fit.
If you wanted to knock my English, you should have pointed out that "swine"
is plural. But anyway, I'm sure "twinkie hugger" isn't a noun either.
-started on 1200, but times change and clients are nice.

ALL action illegal = no problems.

Hrm... I don't know about you guys, but i have personally failed 12 flees inside chief room with 17 dex, and i'm pretty sure i would have died without action-flee. A room with 1 exit and 5 mobs engaged + 1 fireballing you kills fast, and lotsa ppl would start dying there if they couldn't use flee action. Other solution is of course to go in with 10 casters and 1 buffer and nuke chief in 1 round, but that would only help HUGE labgroups. Killing smobs with spell-flee (or any other *-flee) would be so damn hard that only ppl well equipped would be the ones who have lab-friends.

Peredai privet Elene :)

I don't understand all these ppl who seem so pissed off at clients.
Anyone can use em, so if ya wanna sit sweating while typing like mad
using your prehistoric telnets and still being slower than those of
us using clients, that's your choice.
The panic-action rocks, being able to just press flee and know that you
will flee instantly and just one room. It also gets (me) out of 99% of all
close door traps, thus I dare enter even if I suspect there may be one.

I think its good that they made action-following illegal, cuz that was
just boring. However I think they should either fix the flee-system(fix
an automatic panic-action) in mume or let panic trigger be allowed.

Sorry for long post, but the panic-action is really important to me.

I dont understand u Bahomet.
Why set all those aliases at first if u wasnt aware of possible pk,
Target *ELF* and so on when not turning off Atcion-flee.....

I never used something like action-flee sure i die sometimes but at least
its my ability of the game and not my computer playing a game for me.

Bufuckinghu! Like Tempest said, if you cant manage without actions to survive
find yourself another mud.

See ya next week!

Look at this:

*Butrus the Noldorin Elf* utters the words 'lightning bolt'
*Butrus the Noldorin Elf* sends a powerful lightning bolt at you, you stagger
from the impact.
A vicious olog-hai approaches *Butrus the Noldorin Elf*, trying to crush him.

* HP:Hurt Mana:Warm *Butrus the Noldorin Elf*:Fine>Arglebargle, glop-glyf!?!

* HP:Hurt Mana:Warm *Butrus the Noldorin Elf*:Fine>l
PANIC! You can't quit the fight!

* HP:Hurt Mana:Warm *Butrus the Noldorin Elf*:Fine>i
You flee head over heels.
PANIC! You couldn't escape!

### Here my trigger kicked in after wimpymode flee; by the time it makes me
### flee, my opponent has already fled, himself...im such a damned cheater

* HP:Hurt Mana:Warm *Butrus the Noldorin Elf*:Fine>You start to concentrate...
*Butrus the Noldorin Elf* panics, and attempts to flee.

*Butrus the Noldorin Elf* panics, and attempts to flee.
Your victim has disappeared!
*Butrus the Noldorin Elf* leaves south.
---------------------------------------------------

Butrus casted bolt, then Olog approach, Butrus actionfled too, it cant be autowimp, because he was casting (no afraid) and took no damage after olog engaged.

heh some ppl said "we play from telnet"
heh ok 1 year ago i use plain telnet too
but action features heh make life more easy
drink skin when thirsty etc
in pk i had to use only 2 triggers autolooting and autoflee
cause my link suck.
And why are you think ainu forbid actions ?
cause those actions as aototracking,autofollowing,autohit .. is illegal
but autoflee heh dont help in pk i mean dont help to kill other player

I think flee triger sucks and doesnt help at all. Why ppl use it and risk demote? Btw Meteor said it well - use telnet and be happy!

and Daevia and i hack this client which you describe in 3 hours :)

Guys as long as I have been playing... and it has been quite a long time.. have seen so many poeple cheating trading chars using actions crossrace equipment ect ect and still doing it :) so kind of funny to see how some poor little bn gets demoted for such a tiny thing :).

Ariala:
>cause those actions as aototracking,autofollowing,autohit .. is illegal
>but autoflee heh dont help in pk i mean dont help to kill other player

Shortsighted moron. But, autotracking doesnt kill anyone either, its hitting
someone that does! So lets allow autotracking too!

Khantar i mean other (my english not good)
i mean why action is illegal cause ppl with extra link is more
powerful then others.
with good link i dont need action flee cause i just hit it from keyboard
but ppl who dosent get extra link won some ms.I mean aotoflee dosent help
when you have good link but help if you have slow link.

Did i get this right, you loose 1 level and all eq for actions?
They caught me for eq tranfer in Bree: I bought lmw with one char and
i hid it and revealed it with other. (It's damn wrong) ((Kill self Kill))
(It seems like a trap afterwards)
And now they gonna demote me for 1 level and get all eq.
Strange rules, that seems not fair in comparison with this.

Francis

well, you gotta look at the fact that fror is an asshole....

Butrus might have simply typed "flee" ? Or is that impossible ? In this case I actually checked the pukes for actions BEFORE I checked Baphomet. No further comments.

Now I'm sure fror is not nice, demotion for eq trade:
1.95 levels + all eq, and other char all eq.
come on even dain said only level and traded eq was okiedokie.

Fror i hate you.

francis

Well Francis, for a repeat offender the punishment goes up. If you are going to make a habit of it I personally would nuke all your levels, but it's not up to me.

I am sure Butrus didn't action flee during PK as he uses my client files.