Mume.net - LOG: Ugh!

Eidolon

2000-11-09 02:09:02

My link died also TOTALLY there!

Unknown

2000-11-09 02:12:13

By what name do you wish to be known? zoone
Account pass phrase: johannes <-- ????

Unknown

2000-11-09 02:35:02

hey i noticed this with muck b4 also

Muck

2000-11-09 03:08:47

why didn't you post the log where i blocked in with you two
and killed you both when you had eq and all :P

and me being ip bomber? rofl

Zoone

2000-11-09 03:24:13

hehe was half joking about that, and i didnt have that log. :(

Unknown

2000-11-09 03:29:53

dont joke about it, cuz he is ip bomber and most *.se are.
its very clear that fingeror is ip bomber. it has been found that
pacakes were sent from their lab. they cheat and that pathetic.

Nerf

2000-11-09 04:04:28

Errrrmmmm, Proof of Burden lies with you there, Mr. Unknown

Nerf

2000-11-09 04:07:40

Ehhe, Burden of Proof even, I such a dumbass sometimes...

Unknown

2000-11-09 06:44:54

Muck kicked both your asses when you had links, 2 uruks, then you freeze and die when you come back. probably looked like you ran out of moves or so. Impressive by muck to take 2 uruks in a closed area.

And the unknown, muck is not a swede...

Unknown

2000-11-09 07:39:15

Is that part about ip bombing really true ? I always wondered why I usually start lagging when I meet a hugegroup!?!

Lup

2000-11-09 07:57:53

Fingeror (Jocke)!
Did ya see what that unknown accused you of ?
Go get him Boy.

Helevorn

2000-11-09 08:57:03

And how is Fingeror get his hands on your ip-adress? It not like if
you ask the nearest ms+ they just hand it out.

Fredde

2000-11-09 09:03:51

IP bombing?! if someone uses that cuz they suck in this game just cuz they want a kill, well then... naw cant even think of how pathetic it would be. specially from old ppl like fingeror and co, mohahaha, all over 20 are old! 2 years for me to go. mohahhaa.

and besides if this happend like around 12 pm - 1 am it was prolly some fault with the server or something. i got NASTY freeeezes around that time.

Námo

2000-11-09 09:10:32

IP bombing always seem to be used as the most probable cause of all deaths when someone dies due to a bad link. If anyone EVER manage to get some proof of it I'd very much like to see it. Until then I consider it a fairy tale, a MUME legend. (I really wouldn't know how Fingeror or Muck would instantly (mid-battle) get hold of ip adresses to players anyway, it's not like any of them have Ms+ in their labs or know any Ms+ well enough)

Shadrach

2000-11-09 09:14:34

Actually i suspect Tindofuck to have used ip-bombing on me!

Khwaj

2000-11-09 11:25:40

Actually i suspect there is alot of crap talk going on in here.

Shadrach

2000-11-09 11:40:09

Ive been walking around for hours without lag at all. Then comes tindofuck and all just freezes. Cant help feeling suspicious

Brumm

2000-11-09 12:12:34

I have complained about sudden lag when i have met hugegroups before,
I figured it could be cause of either my client gets all wierd when too much
spam comes around (i have not activated mapping or any wierd actions or so that
would slow it down like that), or that it might be something wierd in the code that slows it down too much when many people enter your room at the same time, or that someone is going out of their way to get kills by using some sort of IP-bombing.. I don't have proof of this, and it's almost impossible to point out someone who probably would do this from a shell on a computer which perhap is in a different country from where they play from. And I figure that with good coding, you could make aliases in some clients to start external apps and have IP-adresses of characters stored in some database, so whenever you meet a specific character, it auto-bombs (if this action is turned on)..
i really can't figure out why someone would go through all this work just to get a better chance at kills though, my mind isn't twisted like that.

Another possibility could ofcourse be "random lag" that just hits when you most of all want it to not. But too many times, when you played for smth like 6 hours with perfect link, then when you meet a group of 4 labbies or so, you get horrible lag. Freezing or getting bad lag, perhap dependant of your bandwidth i suppose (if this would be the case). I don't have any evidence, and am not saying this is the way it is, and although i have access to the logs in the firewall on my net i won't check this, unless it becomes too obvoius at some point.

Ghostly

2000-11-09 12:37:31

Namo is right, ip bombing has been accused countless times. Just ask your sysadmin to check the logs and get an ip, then we can cross-check with mume logs and nail them. Even if it is a shell account, we can collate such incidents and cross-check with who is on mume at the time ....... and there are many other ways. We have caught people using shells to multiplay cross-race spies before, so this shouldn't be a problem.

Very easy, yet no-one has ever presented us with such info. I suspect it is just another myth, cos unless you have announced your ip to them in some way outside mume, only v+ can know it. The chance of v+ divulging that to somebody else I just cannot see (if ever caught, I and many others would expect them to be demoted or forcibly retired)

Oh and btw Mr Unknown, Muck doesn't even play from Sweden.

Natash

2000-11-09 13:18:52

Well, i always figured that many ppl coming in just scrues yer bandwith, orso.
try this: kill and drag to 1 room 100+ corpses
and spam to and fro. if u have fast 'link', u know why hugegroups hurt so much

Rod of God

2000-11-09 16:06:53

Today with dynamic IPs etc I just cant see it be done. "IP-bombing" that is.
Atleast not on some unnamed enemy you just met.

1. How do you know who it is?
2. How do you get that persons IP?
3. Do you really have time to start the script?

Ehhe, from Ghostly's post, notice that retirement is an adequate punishment
for a cheating Vala.

grunge

2000-11-09 16:08:02

Namo & Ghostly- I know you guys think it is a myth, but it isn't!!! hehe, what proof i have...
hurm......well
1.) I know Snuttanlab used to use it, long time ago, when you could see with
lower level gods what address ppl played from when they 'whois'd' you.
2.) I was refered by someone, i forgot who, a long long time ago to some program called
well shit, I can't remember the name of the program but there were tons of them when i searched on
the web. These programs were specifically designed to bomb someone's IP. It was amusing too b/c you could
set a time limit for the pingblast, you could make it in a wave form (10 seconds of ping, clear it, 10 secs of ping) etc...
If you knew someone's IP address, you could ping them.
3.) Sabadon asked me one time (I am pretty sure it was him), while i was on with God, if I used Zmud...I, wait, wasn't Sabadon, maybe it
was Pontus...anyways, there was no harm...they just asked if I used zmud and i said yes and all of a sudden my screen froze...I couldn't do a damn
thing and I couldn't break out of it either...I rebooted and dared him to do it again....he did, and i had to once again reboot my
computer....was really amazing to me that someone could interfere like that with my gameplay.

4.) I have had a credible player tell me that once they get ahold of someone's IP address they can pingdeath them...he said that since
now count addresses are hidden except to higher gods (which I believe on V+ should be able to see, although i am fairly sure lower can) he has
alternate ways of obtaining someone's IP address....the example he gave was a reply thru an email...

anyhow, being as paranoid as i am ( i used to accuse petter of pinging me to death and crossrace cheating, prolly cuz he did!!!! ha take that bitch)
I can say that I haven't seen any real discrepancies (personally) in my link due to pinging, although entire nordunet lags at times.

i think i saw namo telling me i would be lagged and then i lagged though the other day, but all harmless as I was on with god...

yes, it is not a myth, but if you expect someone as computer illiterate to try and figure out where it is coming from, _and_ since my link has been "stable"
hehe good luck :)

Manaja

2000-11-09 16:47:40

Tindomerel is just so fast you think you must be freezin

gretna :)

2000-11-09 17:14:03

1 ,1% Muck

Edvard

2000-11-09 17:56:02

how the hell can u write such long comments

GEEKS! =P

tindomerel

2000-11-09 18:42:58

When tindomerel moves, the jungle is waiting!

...and Shadrach definitely belongs in the Jungle!

Baphomet

2000-11-09 19:06:40

Yes my favorite is when I meet a group of pukes and my client locks up. And I cant load any webpage even though my ISP says I have a connection. And redialing it, it says the port is already in use. Several cold boots later I am able to reconnect. Funny how it only happens on meeting certain players (so the cause is not just4 a hugepukegroup, but somthing else)

Meteor

2000-11-09 19:53:20

I had it often with duvel but with Meteor I seem not having that problem lately...

Darkangel

2000-11-09 19:57:49

Ahaaaa...that could be a reason why my link is kinda stable and suddenly when I meet hugegroup I loose link... Mumma and Elestir have seen it when we got trapped at bloodwight (when Mumma ported out and the rest of us got out b/c someone used rock). Then we enter again to check corpses and my link is all good (2 am) until the second we enter the room where 7+ darkies were heh. I loose link and of course they called me linkdropper. Even the whities. Well I dunno if this ISP-bombing thingie is true tho, but if it is it's almost kinda flattering that someone would go thru all that trouble just to kill my sucky ass.
I know tho that it's kinda easy to do such things, especially when you got modem, I remember that Mumma once disconnected me from Internet without warning first, and I almost mobdied at Willow :O) But I know he won't do this to others (he didn't even play MUME then), it was just a joke from his side that wasn't all that fun in that moment :O)

Tempest

2000-11-09 21:10:59

We got a new entry for urbanlegends.com

Shadrach

2000-11-10 09:24:28

I know people that have done it. So urban legend my ass.

Othrod

2000-11-10 18:39:05

Grunge, I havent done anything like that, but ive seen it happen. Kinda tough to do against someone on say.....kth

Ghostly

2000-11-10 18:43:48

Sure, _if_ you have someone's IP you can ip-bomb them (and it could have happened back when all maiar could see ip). Note that a lot of isps stop ping floods automatically nowadays though.

Anyway, as i said before, if you suspect ip-bombing ask your sysadmin, get some proof, and send it to us.

Jocke

2000-11-11 09:43:09

Some of you guys must have brains the size of a tomato. Accusing ppl of ping-bombing
others is really pathetic. Why the hell would anyone wanna do that? It's like
making counterfeit money when playing monopoly. Grow up and try listening to your
reasoning. In some strange way i feel this is very american to accuse somone of
killing them unfair. It's like the communist parranoia in the 50's. Just really pathetic.
Btw, could anyone tell me how it's possible to ping-flod somone when all have
dynamic IP's and firewalls etc.
Besides, what some of you newbies say is that you freeze up when you meet large groups..
How starange?! Are you aware of that that hapends to EVERYONE? When youre in a
a fight with lots of ppl and spam you are handling lots more information wich makes
you lag or freeze. Very simple.