BTW, not a against pukies..

Doh :) meant BTW, not a whine against pukies... You know what I mean, I'm not ripping my keyboard apart etc.

*sigh* so long my good friend :<

Come back soon! You'll get bored with playing pool sooner or later :)

Ginlon - I have lost all respect.

I think I'm going to steal your girlfriend now real life. *snicker* She is stateside no?

holy fucking shit!
get a ölife pukes

*Grunganator the Dwarf* is standing here (Typing a message).

Do i need to say more

what do you mean dragoth?
you got a life?

I do know the feeling, why bother.
Has it really been since 93'? Wow it does not seem that long ago, I guess
I have been on alot longer than I thought. I know you don't hate pukes, why
we roamed the land lots as pukes. Then one day decided to try this troll thing.
I know how you long for the old days, when it was a short walk to a good fight
at the bend. Those were the days! Come try an orc for a while, better protection
in the NOC from Ginlon and his herd of cows.

stop posting these its getting depressing

why should he care about the respect from someone who says he quits mume yet comes here to whine about things? if you quit, go away.

darkies are not fun to play and they suck is why a bn even though there is some warlords now for some fluke reason totally suck depression sucks stats sucks well stats aren't to bad but there hps sucks they take so fucking hard damage tis' ridiculous, shamanas are worse casters on game with lowest mana and highest cost for all spells that there kinda useless unless in group of a couple of em or else if just one all his mana is gone for just bobbign pretty much, 38 manas for quick harms is ridiculous and y dont get normal ones off very fucking often, asked for a spell btw bolt and harm like pukes got like a dispel good spell or something but i guess that's a bad idea or some bullshit
so unless your level 60 or so they totally suck or in a huge group so basically there is no fun darkie caster chars to play anymore, and that hardon rangers changes sure didnt' help taht fact for the dark race either it's no wonder people quit playing them every change in the last couple years has gone against the darkside, you dont have to be a exp player to play them anymore you have to have a huge fucking group :P

Well.. i don't care much about anyones respect...

I won't take the blame for the lack of balance...
I as well as 100 players that are better than I am
are playing whiteys.. I wont feel sorry for the trolls
since the troll players these days are newbies and
clueless... I do feel sorry for many of the good players
that fight as darkies, but get overkilled.. but it happends
in all directions.. Mocho have been on a few days now
and as always made 10 on 2 portal traps... *shrug*

who wants to bet that long comment was sloshed!

Well ginlon you think an experienced player who played a legend troll would have dont much better?

i gotta remind you that when you have smoked those mushrooms your not in the real world.

hehe last unknown, i'll bet that :P. dunno why he posted as unknown
cause he's right, but still hehe. i talked to p(lore) and he said he
just had to pack up a few things, deal with his legend home etc.
it is sad to see kreil go, i have pked alongside him and against him
many times, and he was one of the few people that would always stick
around for a 1 on 1 fight. i'll miss ya pal, hope to catch ya when you're
checking whats going on sometime.

also, didnt fredde make the same kinda comment about nazgum awhile
back, or was that someone else that said that?

Well, "experienced" trolls don't die a lot, and you know why ? cause they flee out and let all the others die... some tries to be brave and maybe save some of their fellow players even though it seldom works. One has to wonder, since it's been commented a lot lately.. what is an experienced player ?!? One who never dies ? One who always walks in a huge group ? One who knows the entire arda ? One who knows everything ? One who has played mume for several years ? really! what is an experienced player ?

Shit, take it easy Kreil mate, I'll miss taking the piss out of you thats for sure. I'll look you up when im in the States next year...

well, i was just saying somethig stupid on troll board, i guess its
tradition....

One of my oldest TRoll buddies..

take care man and i hope too cya around....

I will fight until im left alone...hmm will take a week or soo.

Heh - tell me to get lost but don't have the guts to show ur face? Loser. I have not been here whining - but provding some good suggestions to fix MUME in some other posts - and harassing Ginlon along the way because he deserves it! *giggle* He knows I'm only giving him shit. And no, I wasn't 'playing' Lore. Lore is naked. I dropped all his eq at PPI the other night when I retired my characters. Lore was just kicking some lame pukes out of his legend home - and chatting with Transe. *wink*

Unknown, this >>.<< is called a 'period'. Most normal people use them to break up their written words into intelligible sentences. Your post looks like you went on a crack binge just before logging on. It must have been a REALLY bad one too, since you even forgot your name.

We'll miss ya Kreil... getting real sad to see all these friends leave :-(

I wont feel sorry for the trolls since the troll players these days are newbies and clueless...
C'mon Ginlon.. Don't you think there might be a reason 'why' these trolls are
clueless? You know me, I'm not saying make trolls into the killing machines we
might of been in the earlier versions of Mume, but damn. I have never claimed
to be a great player (not really all that good tbh) but it used to be that you
could 'learn' how to be a decent troll because you had some basic abilities. Warrens used to be a feared place..when pukes came u knew it was going to be
ugly. Now, it's exp for midlevels led by super link legends who can't be hit.
You walk a few rooms and bam! 4-5 legends on u spam hitting moving noiseless.
A troll used to go out get beat up and run in to relative safety. Going "in" after a wounded troll/orc meant a commitment, now it's a simple matter killing
stairs with 3-4 and spell nuking at grinder while the troll has noquit.
I remember huge groups raiding rivendell..now it's an absurd thought..now a darkie gets close and Glorf's sortie with 3 newbies following track u down.
I know this might sound like yet another cry for the 'ole days' but I'm really
trying to be objective here. In Kreil's first life..few yrs back and beyond i can barely remember a portal trap. The occasional sage etc. was a "BIG Deal" and not an everyday event. Now we have portal traps here and there (I go..not denying it) and all that's left is either we overkill some or they do. The days
of vast armies marching to be met with a considerable opponent on the open road
is gone. Why go.. one wrong move and your moveless..can't hit anything but a warrior and then you get nuked. Korf's point is valid. It used to be a serious
prize to have a ruby ring for a troll, but now it's super defense fine grey/iron
or WS gleaming etc. etc. to even have a chance. I don't know maybe I'm all wet.
While you talk of clueless trolls.. myself and other oldies end up leading 5-6
level 9s around in warrens to attempt to stave off an attack. What did these newbies learn about hunting and fighting in the open etc., Nothing. They learned that if we get lucky I bash one at grinder, maybe a warrens pop etc. happens and we live until the next huge group comes. *shrug* I'm rambling I
know.. sorry all. Just seems like there must be a middleground that is 'fair'
to all. I just can't shake the feeling of how it was once to be/fight a troll
in warrens. It was scary as hell and the kill was that much sweeter. I don't
know what others who play puke think as I haven't played a puke in 1-2 yrs, but
it truly must be a mundane experience.
Ok I'll shuddap :)
I won't go that easily..I just might look at dif races etc. to try and enjoy
the only mud I've loved.

*Nod Kreil*

*cry* i'll miss you kreil :(, u rock man, the term newbies and clueless. *hrm* what are 1-2 trolls over lev 25 supposed to do with an army of under lev 10's against 8+ legend whities running around without a worry about anything? darkside is supposed to be harder, but not ridiculous. It would be better if it was as easy for us to raid bree and kill lowbies as it is for the 50000000 pukes that do it every 2 hours. oh well i've had my say *wave*

*cry* i'll miss you kreil :(, u rock man, the term newbies and clueless. *hrm* what are 1-2 trolls over lev 25 supposed to do with an army of under lev 10's against 8+ legend whities running around without a worry about anything? darkside is supposed to be harder, but not ridiculous. It would be better if it was as easy for us to raid bree and kill lowbies as it is for the 50000000 pukes that do it every 2 hours. oh well i've had my say *wave*

oops ;P, hit refresh *cringe* *apol*

Erm Ginlon do I get it right, that according to your post the fact (?), that Mochomurka made several overkilling portaltraps, makes you have more 'fun', when going for 101% sure and safe kills?

I know i haven't really played darkies much, but there really is something wrong right now. I agree that dark races should be (much) harder to play but they should then also be more rewarding! Meaning there should be more of like bells and whistles, cause right now playing a darkie is rather boring. We should have more nice darkie-only stuff (mobs, items, some quests etc). Other than that, there aint NOTHING a REAL SMITER can't hit in warrens, so maybe trolls are meant to prac that anyway (in addidion to barehand) maybe give em just a tad more pracs to do that?? And if there interesting stuff on darkie-side there would be more players on, something to go up against those puke death-squads, which again would end the "easy way to warlord in hugegroup" and knowing that most pukes are pussies (no offense to those who are not), i don't think raiding warrens would be an everyday thing, if they knew they met 5+ ologs inside almost for sure.

it aint very tolkien for trolls having to use wepaons period :P

nod was my comment forgot to put name woops
btw i heard today bolt is eff vs bn is that fucking true? holly fuck

bolt has always been eff vs dark and bns have always been type dark

If you ever wonder why so many bns warlord now, then it is only because of weird bugged wps system, when level 10 clueless puke gets free wps after some orc legend gets nuked by hardons near Bree, and then that puke comes to Tharbad and dies horribly.

Somewhere in the beginning of LotR it was said sumthing like 'Trolls were not dumb any more and roamed the land wielding dreadful weapons', so one could say that trolls using weapons is VERY Tolkienish...

*bignod@kreil*

Fëagil, I agree with your points. However, I guess I should of been more specific about 'warrens' etc. Yes u are right, Venal has max smite and 88%
unamred and he can hit just about anything warrens..provided he isn't using
club/branch and has fur/leather. If I'm naked with club/branch..I'll get
parried/dodged all day long. (more misses than hits against anything other
than warrior) Now, go up to forest and it's a completely different story.
The same hits I may of gotten with OB from warrens, decreases dramatically
unless I'm lucky enough to get a bash. Here's an example.. lev 29 Venal
against Fingeril sp? (not fingeror). I met him priest full leather/fur/two
handed sword. I walk up, swing miss..swing miss..get fireballed. Bash..
wait eat bolt/fireball before it goes through. Now I'm tired already from
fleeing out of room and hurt. Now I have a choice. Stand and run out of moves
before I can get back..or keep trying. This was a 1v1 fight and I appreciate
Fingeril's form..I thought it was fingeror the whole time! So i bail to ivypatch to rest. Now i'm hurt almost wounded tired/slow and this guy comes in
after me! (which is kewl btw!) I end up running home tail behind my legs
in slow/hurt and cursing. Check scroll back..whois fingeril.. lev 24.
I guess I would expect at least a closer fight considering I'm nearly 6 levels
higher.. but maybe not.

trolls using weapons is very tolkieniish, check out the last battle in the return of the king, the trolls were using heavy 2h hammers and bucklers :)

take it easy Kreil

Ginlon.

Mochomurka was on we did a 5 vs 7 trap and a 6 vs 6 trap with 2 legends 1 hero 2 midlevels and 1 newbie.

YOu did not read the logs I and Sharmak did post did you?

Saying Mochomurka does not trap fair is the same as admitting u are a fucking clueless overkilling moron newbie.

Fuck u Ginlon.

Btw I totally agree with Kreil less and less and less darkies play and no shit happens to change it. NO fucking lab plays darkie either.
Play darkie Ginlon? You say we overkill play darkie and show us how to play darkie? Or you know pukes overkill mostly?

If my favourite race was troll, I think i'd quit long ago too :-(

Sorry to see you go, Kreil. I'm pretty sure something will -have- to change soon. See my ideas for changes to Warrens in comments to your log before this one.

*sniff* later kriel:( there's 1 less kool troll to defend warrens.. warrens these days is really wimpy a half decent scout can walk around all day there scout grinder cave etc sit hatch... out of all the races on arda trolls seem to be the least populated imho, only made out of sheer boredom for the most part, and also made cause ppl get a rush from hitting so goddamn hard:P i know when i'm tired of playing my wussy mage who has 65 ob on agg the first thing i do is play troll.. umm anyway miss ye kreil, come play overpowered puke;)

*nod kreil*

*sigh*

Well here is another troll that will lay his hat on the shelf for a while. Ive died 10 times total and last 4 of em was overkilled by 10+ pukes in warrens. Ive not complained about getting overkilled in locations like priest and such its a risk u take entering. But this lame warrens raid overkilling thats taken place lately just is to much. Last time me and toe and kreil and 2 midlevels didnt even get a puke to more than wounded in warrens. Wave to Khwaj,Toe,Mrjoe, Baldie and the rest of trollies.

Well I have been around from 92 and what I have seen is that most of the
"great" players burn themself with the game and quit with lot's of spamming
how the game sux and is no use anymore. I think the game is getting better and
better. But of course you get fed up with it if you play 12 hours a day 7 days
per week? Just play time to time and calm down. In my opinion MUME is best game
and entertainment there can be. And what comes to this log I just think pukes
played well and targetted those who should be targetted and had good buffers and organizing. More often I see an olog fucking up group of 2-3 pukes in necromancer/ooc/icedoor/dirtytrail etc...

Think of it?