Also, its important to note that I did turn off my triggers/variables in zMUD, but decided to turn em back on thinking that the ainu would do something about exploiting a legal doorname action.

aschit and daevia i have lost all respect for you, oh wait, i never had any

Using door triggers is supposed to be illegal, and so is autolooting (but never seen that one enforced). You don't need actions to play Mume, and I certainly don't feel sorry for you if someone abuses your poorly written ones. Also, ever notice that people who roleplay about being evil cry foul the most when people smack them around for being evil? Go figure.

it is not ileagal ot have setup that binds keys to open doors just if you have them to auto open or auto close i think

First of all, Tempest you continue to amaze me with your displays of ignorance. And Aschit since when are actions illegal? THEY AREN'T. At least I have never read anywhere on MUME that they are, so if it IS written, someone tell me where or else STOP MAKING SHIT UP. Stile some god told you to just TURN EM OFF which is what everyone else does when some wiseass starts messing with their triggers. Personally, I'd hate to see "fucking with ppls triggers" outlawed, just because it is so fun. (Dàevìa tells you 'The ;sing Backstreet's back, alright! seems to be closed.'----NICE one - you can't be ALL bad daevia)..................oh yes lastly, the invis gods were quite remarkably...what's the word...STUPID. (The Ainulindalë whispers to you 'you call using triggers rp'ing ?') Whether or not I have a trigger to set a door variable on my client does not decide if I am roleplaying. Besides that, as a "wiz" you should think first and open your big stupid mouth after you THINK. There should be an IQ test requirement for getting wizinvis bits. Ok Im done ranting.

Just because it triggers this narrate reaction doesn't mean it also triggers opening a door if he walks into one. It's the way that people with his client have to word it. If you are using zmud you can try this instead:

#trig {(%w) seems to be closed} {#var doorname %1}
#trig {(%w) is open} {#va doorname %1}
#trig {(%w) is closed} {#va doorname %1}

etc

Daevia, get a life.
Aschit, get the leftovers from Daevia.

gayest log ever

Hmm, I have an equal trigger, but I have a quite different setup, so it doesnt
trigger with comm.

But, hello, hihi, to abouse it to a certain point is ok, just so ppl get the
damn point!

And someone KILLED the owl i summoned in to keep Bob company is his stables :(

I totally agree with Stile that this is bullshit.
Whoever the God is in this log was (I may have missed it) totally
was out of line, made an ass out of himself and obviously doesn't
know his ass from a hole in the ground. Ive been over and over this
and its getting old - setting a doorname variable IS NOT illegal
while a trigger to actually auto open a door is. Im willing to
best 90% of the mud population who knows how to set up a script has
this and I think its pisspoor behavior on Daevia and Aschits part
to abuse it. Normally its the 14yr olds on MUME trying to fuck with
peoples scripts like this. If this had happened in pkill the Gods
would prob be pissed off and make a rule to stop players from
exploiting this, but because he was rping a pthief they instead
decide to make childish comments to him to make him seem like
a newbie (the whole 'put me down to lift you up' attitude most
of the 'elites'/gods have on this game - hey Vala how about getting
rid of Gods who talk down to people like this...they are supposed
to be hosts after all, not critics). It is fucking amazing to me
that people can openly abuse someone playing the game in this
manner and some worthless God(s) turn his/her head. It is not
just a matter of bad scripting (Stiles, put a ^ at the front of
the trigger and this will never happen) but instead its an example
of bad management on MUME's part not being educated enough to
to realize what *actually* classifies as an illegal action. Since
its obviously tolerated to abuse this bullshit, I suggest everyone
here make an alias for pkill to rem all/drop all/get all and see
how long it lasts then. Once again for those that can't seem to
understand - SETTING A DOORNAME VARIABLE WITH A TRIGGER ISNT ILLEGAL
IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ON MUME, and Stiles is right. Most legends
use em. Sorry for long post but when I see crap like this it
pisses me off. Daevia/Aschit should be demoted for this abuse
and if not, Im using this same shit in pkill. See ya soon.

I laughed so hard I almost fell off my chair.
I mostly did it because he was a pstealer. Plus he's too stupid to set his
triggers to trigger only on new line, or many change his parse character from
the default ;. Don't use trigger's if you can't do it correctly.

And don't psteal either, or I'll just have to make you narrate shit!

It says clearly in the rules that SIMULATING GAME OUTPUT IS ILLEGAL.
Daevia and Aschit DID simulate game output repeatedly, and that's it.
Fucking nice way to try ruin someones session btw.

Btw, technically door alias triggers ARE illegal. Help actions is pretty clear. Do door actions that set aliases/keybinds help in pk? Yes.
Are they actions/triggers? Yes. Then its illegal.

I'll be the first to admit that I use door keybinds and such, as do many many
people. You want to know why nobody ever gets busted for such things? Because
you can't prove wrongdoing. So it goes ignored. But, yes, technially it is illegal. Just go read rules actions.
Then again, outside of pk it seems to be fine. Then again rules actions is somewhat ambiguous on that point.

I didn't simulate game output, I simulated same input. Big difference.

same->game

You need to read the rules again Daevia. An auto action in the
game isnt the same thing as a trigger setting a door variable.
Sorry, but its pretty clear:
'This means that it's forbidden to have *ACTIONS* that ...
auto-close/open doors...' Having a trigger to set a door name
variable isn't an action by defination in any shape or form.
Nothing ambigious about that paragraph at all. Try reading it again.

Furthermore, it says using client ACTIONS which help in anyway
in PKILL are illegal. Running into a door and having the trigger
set a doorname variable isn't even an action, Daevia. An action
is when your client is triggered by something and outputs something
in response to the game. Figure out what the hell your talking about
please. A trigger that sets a variable in your client is sure the
hell not an action. Of course they are ignored. There isn't a
damn thing illegal about them. So why WOULD anyone be busted?

triggers and actions are the same thing moron
If I code my own client and call them "autos" it doesn't change anything.

ACTION
Syntax: #AC pattern command [classname]
Related: #TRIGGER #T+ #T- #IGNORE
This is one of the most powerful features of zMUD. It allows you to define a command to be executed whenever the matching text is received from the MUD.

TRIGGER
Syntax: #TR pattern command [classname]
This is one of the most powerful features of zMUD. It allows you to define a command to be executed whenever the matching text is received from the MUD.

Notice the similarities?

from zmud help file btw, go take a look

Tindomerel, the game rarely outputs "Daevia tells you '...'".

Well, your using ZMUD. Im going by RULES ACTIONS. Whos the moron here,
Daevia? lol Like I said, I do this same thing in pkill, and I will, count
on it. And if I get punished in any way shape or form for something thats
been allowed to be abused for over a year now, then I want those that
screwed with Stile in this infantile way to get same punishment I do.
And Daevia, please stop reading your ZMUD help file. A trigger that sends
output to the game is an action. A trigger that sets a variable is not
an action. Jesus Christ, are you just fucking mentally retarded??????
If you don't like a pthief then kill them, don't abuse flaws in they're
scripting to do your dirty work, little fucking children.

And I don't use ZMUD. Why would I? Its one of the slowest shittiest
clients out there. Like I said, RULES ACTION is pretty fucking clear
and you have to be retarded to not be able to understand that a trigger
that sends NOTHING to the game at all, isn't an action by MUME's def.

stile, baphomet, all of you actions have absolutely nothing to do with "roleplaying" so it's as stupid for stile to stand behind "rp" as it is for anyone to say actions are "anti-rp", if you have crap triggers you have only yourself to blame, and what daevia/aschit did is far from ILLEGAL, maybe a bit bad taste to attack people/mobs
and it's idiotic to "*stare*" at the reply prays when the prays you make yourself are totally pointless

And where does mume define "trigger" and "action?" The whole point of "rules action" is to remove the use of clients to do certain things extremely quickly which give a distinct advantage in pk to the person using the actions to those that don't. How can setting door variables NOT fall under this definition? If someone simply has to run into a door and hit F1=open door or F2=pick door;open door then they have quite a large advantage over those that have to manually type p shatteredbranches;o shatteredbranches. The difference in keystrokes in this example is 36 keystrokes (38 vs 2). That is in the same league as autohitting in 1ms or autotracking. You can also make pseudo-autotracking triggers (Iff's odd definition of triggers). Just make You see some tracks... set a variable called trackdir and also keybind F1 to {trackdir;#var trackdir null}. You keep spamming F1 and you'll track nearly as fast as a normal plain-jane autotrack. Viola, circumvent the rules in 4 minutes flat. And we didn't even break any nails. It is pretty obvious to me that keybinds like this fall under the same catagory as all-out action hitting/opening/closing/tracking. The effect is the same: give an advantage to the player using the actions, one they couldn't have without the client. The reason none of those are ever busted is that they are impossible to prove. Nobody can see your keybinds being made and its unlikely that a V+ echoing tracks and darkies will make you start spamming your keybinds.

tindo: simulating game output in whois/desc(?)/etc is illegal, i don't seem to remember rule that says you can't simulate game output in tells, feel free to point it out if you find it :)
iff: "Once again for those that can't seem to understand - SETTING A DOORNAME VARIABLE WITH A TRIGGER ISNT ILLEGAL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ON MUME"
rules action: "Using client actions which help in any way in any PK situation is illegal on MUME."
trigger=action=trigger=action, now iff, who's the one who can't seem to understand?

Btw, I just talked to an A that confirmed that technically keybinds/trigger variable settings are illegal, but it is not enforced "YET." Notice the emphisis. *hint hint*

trigger==action, it's 2 different words meaning the same thing in different clients

trigger==action, it's 2 different words meaning the same thing in different clients

Well, its real funny, that I brought this up a YEAR ago on general
board some V+ told me having a trigger to set a door variable is not
illegal. And Maia, I don't think you understand or read the whole RULES
ACTION obviously. It goes on to say 'This *means* that it's forbidden to have *ACTIONS* that ... AUTO-close/AUTO-open doors...'. So speak about what you know
because obviously you don't. Like I said, I'll do it in pkill, I'll sacrifice
one of my legends for that...and if I get punished I want those that also
abused it to be punished also. It makes me sick to have to resort to infantile
behavior (See - Daevia over and over again) but if thats what it takes to
get something done on the MUD and for matters to be made clear then fuck it.
I just know for once I am sick and tired of *children* like Daevia who have
to abuse shit to make life hell for people. Not everyone is inclined to
go into script tech bullshit so they can make they're script idiot-proof
against idiots like Daevia. Some people just want to play (rp too) and have
fun and not be bothered by dumbasses like this. One final point, if some
A said it was illegal then YOU SHOULD be demoted. The proof is right fucking
here. So if I do it in pkill, I should be demoted and so should you.
$100 says I get punished when I successfully do it in pkill, yet Daevia
and Aschit will slip between the cracks because they only did it to whitie
pthief (totally allowed). This is the rational of maia such as one above.
Please, do not let people like this represent the MUD!

Well, its real funny, that I brought this up a YEAR ago on general
board some V+ told me having a trigger to set a door variable is not
illegal. And Maia, I don't think you understand or read the whole RULES
ACTION obviously. It goes on to say 'This *means* that it's forbidden to have *ACTIONS* that ... AUTO-close/AUTO-open doors...'. So speak about what you know
because obviously you don't. Like I said, I'll do it in pkill, I'll sacrifice
one of my legends for that...and if I get punished I want those that also
abused it to be punished also. It makes me sick to have to resort to infantile
behavior (See - Daevia over and over again) but if thats what it takes to
get something done on the MUD and for matters to be made clear then fuck it.
I just know for once I am sick and tired of *children* like Daevia who have
to abuse shit to make life hell for people. Not everyone is inclined to
go into script tech bullshit so they can make they're script idiot-proof
against idiots like Daevia. Some people just want to play (rp too) and have
fun and not be bothered by dumbasses like this. One final point, if some
A said it was illegal then YOU SHOULD be demoted. The proof is right fucking
here. So if I do it in pkill, I should be demoted and so should you.
$100 says I get punished when I successfully do it in pkill, yet Daevia
and Aschit will slip between the cracks because they only did it to whitie
pthief (totally allowed). This is the rational of maia such as one above.
Please, do not let people like this represent the MUD!

a year ago? a year ago(i'm not 100% sure, time has mysterious ways, but my point is that what you heard year ago just might not be that good of an argument today) actionhunting was not illegal and the rules concerning actions were pretty much remade YOU should read rules action further too : ...and just about everything else that can help you in any side of a PK situation. and i'm pretty much sure i know better than you, i've played for 6 years and i've been in deeper shit and in higher heaven than you can imagine, in the game i mean :) i know what i'm talking about

Well I didn't see anything illegal in this log. Stile should just have turned off his
triggers until he worked out how to write them so they can't be abused. I think it is currently
legal to abuse others clients.

I haven't used anything more than arrow keybinds to directions and mume aliases in over 8 months. :P *poke* And this didn't even start with actions. I could care less about some lowbie dork using dooraliases. However, several people told me that he was playerstealing so I took the best action I could from retirement in punishing a known pstealer. I made Stile's life hell, then my job is complete. Seems noone minds that he goes around making the lifes of (most likely) true newbies hell by robbing them blind. Players like that are worthless.

well, actually it probably is pretty much over 6years that i've played, prolly 7, sorry about the spam!

Can you stop repeating yourself Iff? It makes for tiresome reading.

By the way Iff, how "technically masterful" do you have to be to check the little box marked "trigger on new line?" Don't let people like Iff represent the general intelligence of the Mud, please? Seems some people have problems with such concepts as "reading a help file" and "clicking on a box." Its a wonder they figured out how to log on to a mud.

And since I hit refresh when I wasnt even in comments and it still
did this, I'll rant some more. This page is the biggest collection of
whining kindergarden bulllshit I have ever seen in my life. You'll never
again see me make a comment about anything (applause now) and I'll be
damned if I ever get involved in your petty Sanford and Son arguments
again. Hell, the biggest problem the mud has isn't the game. Its the
management (see the wizinvis in this log) and the infant mentality of
people like Daevia who take a great thing and make it less than what it is.

Well yes, Iff, I have to admit that noone came across particularly well in this log. And I think Aschit certainly overdid it.

hehe, how surprising, first iff lets alot of bullshit out of his mouth(or fingers) and then shuts up claiming not to comment anymore, whining about people whining about people who blame others of their own stupidity.
"Hell, the biggest problem the mud has isn't the game. Its the management", there wouldn't be the game without the management you dolt!

yeah you been playing so long you can't leave your game name?
i agree with iff. all i have ever seen of daevia is retarded shit
like this. and to unknown rule action were the same last year
as they were now - maybe YOU should read it again becuz your 100% off
so you call if stupid for something your not even sure about? laff
your the one whos stupid and please leave a name fucking pussy

and there's a big difference something being ILLEGAL and something being BAD TASTE, what aschit/daevia did was a bit bad taste, like dropping eq/attacking things but that's not and should not be illegal

leave your name pussie divine intervention!
by your comments your clearly clueless
he meant the management of the game is bad
are you stupid?

ok there's my game name! i can't be bothered to post the names of my 16 legends *bragbrag* so you'll have to do with that one, and what i wasn't 100% sure about was that if it were year ago or earlier, aaand i'm pretty much sure "rules action" file has been changed during the year, i wish there was somekinda age check to filter out the 12 year olds so that we wouldn't have people like roql who can't write a post without "retarded" or "pussy", and want other people to sign their names while signing with a neverheard last login month ago newbie char?

Sure, Unknown 'know's what he's talking about' but isnt 100% sure.
Rules Action were the same last year as they are now. While your bragging
about how long you have played and how great you are, try leaving a name
please *peer* and like Iff said, speak about what you know for sure.

management of the game is pretty good, if it's not what you expect it's probably because you expect obscure and selfish things that would never work, why don't you go to some fairymud and pick berries ? be ware of the pink ones

Hrmm i'd say if that doesnt count as simulating game output, it would most likely be covered under spam, since it was filling his screen with garbage. Also i hope this sort of shit turns out to be illegal or you are gonna start seeing every dumbass loser on this game start doing shit to make others chan mood berserk and hit the nearest mob. Daevia, why dont you quit trying to interpret rules actions also - by your interpretation your keybindings for directions would be as illegal as everything else. If the gods want to enforce the action-ban (and I hope they start), let them - but don't think you can take it upon yourself to do so.

The Gods comments in this log are a perfect example of how MUME
mgmt is not "pretty good" at all. Nalle needs to get a clue.
And yes I am a "pussie unknown" buhahahahah!!!

"speak about what you know for sure", if i spoke about what i knew for sure i wouldn't speak that much, but i tell you i'm pretty good a guesser and i make sure people know when i'm not sure about something, unlike most people who say they are sure and in the end, oops! they aren't, a bit fresher opinion from management in this matter is (or was sometime ago) that this sort of things are not to be enforced if they don't damage your computer, btw it's possible to crash your computer (in some cases) if you are using zmud

i'm a bit too tired to get into discussion with people who are too narrow-minded to consider things from other peoples view and refuse to be mistaken, even if proven so

So why call someone st00pid when you werent sure to begin with Nalle? *think*
Talk about a narrow minded contradiction. Sounds like your calling the
kettle black bud. As the stabberwhore said, when it happens in pk the
people in charge will be changing their tune and the people who tried to
kill Stiles should get theirs to.

After reading this I cant fuckin believe they would say this is legal!
DEMOTE! And the condescending remarks of the god involved are ridiculous
but typical. It was as good as being spam-telled and yet God chose to
insult instead of looking into it. Sickening.

.............At 2000-11-16 04:26:13, Gothmog commented:
Tindomerel, the game rarely outputs "Daevia tells you '...'". .............. Well actually, Gothmog, the game does "output" that. Anything sent from fire to my screen is MUME "output" -- whether it says "The bear hits you" or "Daevia tells you" -- both of those are game output. Similarly, there seems to be some confusion about the definition of "actions". As I have always understood the rule as it currently reads, you can program your client to keep variables automatically gleaned from Game Output. But what has recently been forbidden is created programs that react to Game Output by sending Input to MUME. If this is not the case, you should probably re-write the help file before you enforce that. Because that is how it reads.

if you get insulting tells from player gods will gag em but since it was
lowbie pthief getting exploited they do nothing but talk down to him
.. nice job gods. if the tells had been 'you fucking asshole' i guess it
would have been different. nice justice

*mutters about hitting enter after typing name and getting it posted*

There is one important point in this discussion:
Is it legal or not to use actions to set keybindings that will be helpful in pfights?

This is not only the door-keybinding, but also a keybinding to the last type of darkie/whitie that entered
the room to hit more easily. A keybinding from track so you never track in the wrong direction. A keybinding
to open (doorname) set from the last door closed, so as to more easily avoid traps. Why not a keybinding to the
direction the last darkie left so I only had to hit a key to move in the same direction and hit/bash the darkie?

I believe all these action-keybindings are illegal, and have chosen not to use them, but Iff's argument is
that they are legal. If they are legal, why.. I would like the advantage I would get from using these actions.
Hence it would be nice to hear from the immortals whether action-keybinding helpful for pkill is legal.

The door-trigger in question is as useful outside of pfights as in them, and you can set a trigger to turn off
your doorname-trigger at the sight of a darkie, hence making your doorname trigger legal again and not have to
type out all the long doornames. (It's a convenience I myself rather like)

Lastly about RP: Characters are not telepathic, and able to mentally speak long distances. Hence it would be nice
if you consider tells ooc rather than ic. This is a common principle on RP-oriented muds.
Also, roleplay doesn't have to be conflict oriented, particularly not in an environment so filled with pfights.
Non-violence oriented Roleplay is pretty often more satisfying, and is likely to meet with a more favorable response
from other Roleplayers on Mume than playerstealing/conflictoriented rp. RP, in my book, is about people roleplaying
with each other, not against each other.

With regards from the player of Nardun.

Its pretensious attitudes like yours that are narrow minded. I remember
asking Gothmog about doorname variable triggers a long time ago and I was
told in so many words that as long as it didn't send an action to the mud
to auto open or close the door it was legal. And in fact thats exactly what
rules action reads. Sounds like Iff is right to me.

I am on Stile's side. Aschit and Daevia should be warned for such behaviour.

When the american election is over, could someone please call Al Gore and ask him if we could borrow his 300 lawyers to solve this GOD DAMN WHINING COMPETITION!

Deor's was the best comment on here, explaining how to write triggers that won't be affected by tells/narrates/emotes/anything. In my opinion you have the responsibility to code your client actions/aliases/whatever so that they are resistant to this sort of abuse. But I am studying to be a computer scientist so perhaps I don't speak for all the mume population.

1. ZMud sucks ass- i only use it for bns- when i can make those superalias keys to reveal everything in hidden island/wear/light/etc.
2. The Ainulindalë whispers to you 'stop using arguments out of your ass'
i found this line funny (not exactly ironic) but i don't know why
3. I've always heard that door actions, door variables, door openers, door exit variable makers (depends on your definition of what "is" is), weren't illegal i forgot where i heard it though.
4. I love these controversy logs where ppl flame each other so much it makes me glad my computer isn't near a large propane tank. Keep up the good work guys!

Hehe, i wonder that this guy even dares tell about his moronic actions;)

Erm, actually as the rules say ANY action HELPING in ANY pk situation IS ILLEGAL. But as the management is not going enforce it, it's really your own concern, if you want to play fair or not.

I was myself (till last night) thinking the same way as iff, but that was changed by a person who also commented above. So it's not illegal to abuse badly written actions, and ALL actions that help ARE illegal. Gonna have to do some major dooropening aliases now :)

Oh, i forgot the main thing, Daevia and Aschit that was REALLY LAME OF YOU, if you're retired your not supposed to be able to do anything. I hope you both mobrip like 10 times next week.

*sigh* This is totally ridiculus, I do agree that any sort of role-playing atmosphere has deminished to nothing, and that was silly of them to do that in the first place. Though i have no beef with either of them or you I just say let it go and start anew if necissary. It is not worth all of these comments.

If you are so stupid and cant make your actions correctly its your fault.

you wonder why we dont get new ppl on this mud, lol you ainu are all a bunch of fucks, and did you know what sound the tigers on the bus make?

I'm with Iff regarding the actions. However, I can't see what this all
has to do with RP. They didn't fuck with you for roleplaying, they fucked
you for pstealing. Why not RP a non-evil char instead? If you want to be
evil, play a darkie instead.

To make this never happen again make a new rule If you fuck with some ones client you get demoted?

I suggest for you to make your actions right. Well, all people in the world aint good so take it into acount next time. You just cant do nothing about it, but ignore and make your actions right if you still want to use them.

You can still RP with and without the actions this is not the point. And have fun... and if you dont have fun do something else.

Just reprogram your client so that it dont set a variable unless The %W is at the beginning off a line. In Jmc that should be something like: ^The %1 seems to be closed, and in zmud i belive it was ^The %W seems etc.
I still think it is sad that ppl bother to abuse this feature, bacause reprogramming my client will take me a couple of hours, wich i could have used on other things. Idea : Next time just tell him The ;Give 100 gold daevia seems to be closed :p Works to. Really funny, and it makes you a real popular guy..
Seriously, most of us use this feature, and making fun of ppl because they arent as good programmers as you are isnt very nice.
Voile the nice guy.. who found out about this little bug in my script when someone told me The;give 500 gold xxx seems to be closed :p

Have a nice day !

The voice of Humala whispers to you 'don't forget to use protection'

LOL :)

Do like me, dont use actions, i have like 300 doorname aliases that i know by heart, dont need no fucking actions.

why should it be managements problem if someone can't handle his own client, one thing i'm sure of that triggering someones client like that, without damaging his computer is not illegal and that's for sure, rtfm and make proper actions! and one of the bad things in here is that management consists of several people and several opinions so when you ask thing something from draught you get different answer from fror(i pulled the names out of hat i dunno if these 2 people have any disagreements/etc) usually it's enough when you use common sense instead of asking, which so many people seem to lack here, could someone explain what this thing has to do with "rp"?

Well, its as simple as this. Everytime i log on stile i'll just narrate ;remove all; seems to be closed, narrate ;drop all; seems to be closed, narrate ;flee; seems to be closed and see what happens. I mean, its IS legal to mess with triggers if they can't get em right, right?

Stop using OS from Micro$hit and install Linux, run powwwow or cancan and you
will never have this problem :)

Daevia and Aschit should get deleted for acting like this. RP was destroyed
when newbies got wrong teachers long ago (NSL is a good example).

I expect to se daevia at lvl 1 soon.

Don't care what u say, outpout of game information is illegal

Btw, was this triggered by your stealing, or they just found u had actions like this? (coudlnt be bothered to read all above just yet... :))

Well, Daevia and Aschit acted like morons, but hey - like others said: everyone
is responsible for themselves, so I actually did find it rather amusing - would
have insta turned zMUD off and switched to plain telnet till I corrected my client.
BTW I didnt see any RP in this log and IMHO RP shoud not start with pthieving,
but nowadays most ppl use RP merely as an excuse and only use it as far as they
feel an advantage.
Azg, no offence though.

Why do I get impression that due to players who can configure their client,
or have any clue above basic telnet others have to suffer too?

Open/close binding and some actions supporting it should never,
ever be considered illegal, just because some ppl do not have a clue!

Hei! Most of us are from Europe. Not from US, where elites must suffer
to give clueless equal chance to....

What's your problem pRazhim. How do we ruin the game? (and no crap now only
because we're nsl.)

I find that this logg is quite dumb. I agree with Stile that what Daevia and
Aschit did was pretty cheap. But they aren't considered illegal. This is what
one would call immature and childish. Being ignorant, Stile, is YOUR problem.

I also agree that RPGing should be encourgaged a bit more. Hopefully we can
set up some standards that mature people can act upon. Hopefully everyone has
the power to use their mind and not be complete idiots.

I'm sorry guys, but I did nothing illegal and won't be punished in the least. Sorry to burst your bubble. Bu-bye!

Comment nr 86 woohoo i got it i got it

Well....I really really really think that was kinda gay.
I used to have poor written door variables, but I am also poorly educated with computers.

Muck set off my door variable once against tolman....I turned my triggers off.
Then he came into my room and tried to get me to remove all/give all to him...
Because of that, I stole 500 gold from him whilst he was sleeping...but
I did give it back afterwards...he would've never known....but the intrinsic nature
of Grunge is to fuck anyone that fucks with him....whether its today, tomorrow, or next year.

Mume has never had RP and never will have RP. Face it, Mud RP'ing is about as fun as watching paint dry. If you want RP, go play AD&D or some decent RPG boardgame. Or play a MUSH. Leave mume to fast paced action!

Ok. IMHO Daevia and Aschit should get demoted by this. Only thing they don't is that MUME staff isn't really good atm. If some warlord would have got same kind of messages from aschit & daevia, mume management would have demoted or even no-shouted em. If I had permissions to ban someone from this mud, i would ban daevia and aschit. this is the most childish thing i have ever seen in my life. it doesn't matter was it legal or illegal before. this was something so serious that they should get demoted by this!

Bitch and moan, bitch and moan. He brought this upon himself and had the ability to stop it whenever he wanted.

Btw if this had been done to a warlord the person would have just killed me or whatnot. Not posted a whiny log on mume.net and begged for a demotion.

I lost I got Iff to retire all his chars!
Mission 1: Complete.

Lets hit 100!

I never asked for demotion. Also, how'd I bring this upon myself, for stealing 2 silver from someone? I guess cheating is warranted against a pStealer.

I liked MUME back in '96 when I discovered it with my friend Lemgo. However all
this recent spam about mume actually being a "fast-paced action mud" is ludicrous!
Back then, I dreamt about seeing and stumbling through Moria, have a fortnight
of fun in Rivendell oder just wandering through the land. But Mume is like life,
and life is hard. Btw, is The Lord of the Rings filled with fights and fights,
and naught but fights? Was Tolkien actually an action movie director? In the
beginning I was looking forward to MUME as a playground of _adventure_. Then I
just hoped I wouldn't insta-die to some darkie legend,... again.

The point in this log telling us why MUME doesn't attract newbies anymore, is
this line ...after 8 levels "Finally getting steal". You have to level to
legendhood to be able to play a "good" dwarf, ready and willing to smite any
evil breed (as a level 1? HA HA). You have to xp-hunt before the RP may begin
... so far I had maybe six to eight chars and none of them became legend. Well,
I didnt have friends helping with eq and mobs and whenever I tried, Orcs kept
whacking me east of Bree and the Legend I had begged for help left all too
quickly.

MUME is akin to real life, where everything is about competition and a surge
for power. Grats, guys! You just spoiled another paradise.

Holy shit, almost 100 whines, and not a one was mine! I must have lost my 'whine' flag recently. And to think I CAUSED the whines, too!

Oh, btw, I was fucking with him because he is a pkiller (he killed some newbie near gh and robbed him) not because he uses a client. The client was just my means of attack. I NEVER said using doorname triggers was illegal (though *I* wouldn't mind if they were); I said ACTIONS were illegal. I never even claimed that Stile USED actions, he just read that into my statement. I have every respect for Celorfilas (at least, no reason to hate him). However I myself 'RP' a deep hatred of pkillers and pstealers, and I am not above using 'foul' tactics to bring them to justice. If Daevia hadn't given me the idea, I never would have bothered with the trigger stuff. In fact, after Stile dropped his link, I stopped the trigger stuff and I sat with a cleric and watched him summon agg mobs into his room. He voided before anything happened, however.

In short, people who 'RP' being evil shouldn't bitch about people who 'RP' about hating them. But, to keep Stile happy, next time I'll just stabrip him instead.

Does anyone know what role-playing means? Aschit is trying to say he is roleplaying a human thief who, for avenging a newbie's death, spams semicolons at his enemies? Hrm, okay =p

* S>t daevia thats illegal. i logged it. good job.
You state that something is illegal, you bring forth evidence of the fact, then say something that points to the fact that I would be punished for what a did. Sure sounds like you were going to attempt (laugh) to get me demoted. Then you pray about it. But I guess you really meant something else.

BTW, if you actually felt like roleplaying it might be wise to #GAG tells and autoreply that you don't listen to tells? If you can set up doortriggers I'm sure you can master this skill.

Read over the log daevia, I made only 1 tell to anyone and that was to mayavi saying 'OOC: apologizing bla bla bla'. i didn't give you a tell, i didn't give aschit a tell, i didn't narrate, and i didn't use say.

How did you bring upon yourself? Lets see, you psteal from lowbies so obviously you know that people are going to come after you. And you stated already that you knew about this ZMud exploit for quite some time and do nothing at all to try and fix the problem, which takes less than 30 seconds to fix. And then you don't bother to turn your actions off after it becomes apparent that people are exploiting them. And btw, how roleplayish is it to use a nick which fairly obviously comes from stileproject.com? Dork. :P Btw, take the Gangee's Apprentice shit off your whois, you're not even remotely like Gangee.

But you received numerous tells, and those people don't know that you don't listen to tells, so ou pretty much just come across as a jackass, which an autoreply would fix. But if thats too hard we could just make an announcement to the general population that Stile is RP'ing.

it rhymes with vile, and ya it comes from that stupid as shit site.

Oh, and thanks for answering your own question about RPing.

So next time if you got an enemy/exp stealer in your zone one can just
"yell the ;sleep seems to be closed." and wish they are clueless zmud
users *blink*? And that should not be illegal?

Anyway, hur går bilen?

I should try that. Better yet, rem all/give all daevia.

one last thought- MUME an rp-mud? shit, i must have the wrong MUME then.

umm, would the 'sleep' command have avoided a good chunk stile's dilehma?
at least buy some time for some client reconsiderations

face it stile, while some ppl may argue over these fucknuts playing with your client, you're a dumb ass that the mume population doesn't care about, so plug your sega genesis in and play some sonic the hedgehog, i think thats more your level. You can RP some against Dr.Robotnik, or better yet you can get some of your barbie dolls out and role play that ppl like you. dumbfuck

If nothing is done to stop bad behaviour like that from Daevia and Aschit, and
if this not claimed illegal, i guess it's ok to use it in PK too agains your enemy.
Squat guys, cause you will soon run into traps and drop your eq just because i want to.
As Gothmog said, i don't send you game output if i say The ;rem all seems to be closed.
Is that what we want?

'pray every legend in this game uses the same exact doorname setup i do.'
NO FUCKING WAY. I never use any variables, and have one action, and that's for autolooting coins. About the only thing I use my client for, is logging onto mume, editing, logging and having aliases for multiple commands.

As I stated before, I was only using his triggers against him because he is a total ass that hides behind 'RP', as many pstealers/pkers do. There are MANY different levels of RP. Long ago, I would wander around using emotes and colorful language to communicate. It was little appreciated, so eventually I dropped it. Mume is not an RP mud, in the truest sense. Yes, you can rp, but it ALWAYS comes down to numbers. I carried, once upon a time, about 5 different musical instruments so I could 'RP' a bard. I made up songs/tales and made emotes for them all. Then I realized that all it did was helped me die moveless. You have to worry about %db, %pb, %ob, carry weight, str int dex con wis wil per, mp regen, mana, hp, mp, etc. How can this be rp? Stile was an ass and I used it against him.

Oh, btw, you can say that Stile wasn't exactly RPing, when he used justice system to avoid retribution by hiding in Bree, knowing that if he left he would likely die. He abused the justice system to hide, so I abused his client system to keep him from hiding.

And, Stile, you DID indeed give me a tell, saying that what I was doing was cheating, etc.

This brings memories back. I remember when a player named Slayer got wooped by someone triggering his wrongly set Tintin++ (Anyone even remeber that client) actions. The result was far more severe than the above.
A player, let's call him Tony triggered Slayer to rem all, cha mood ber, and kill the Orkish Chieftain (The "gatekeeper" mob when the Orc homes was s of ABR)

This brings memories back. I remember when a player named Slayer got wooped by someone triggering his wrongly set Tintin++ (Anyone even remeber that client) actions. The result was far more severe than the above.
A player, let's call him Tony triggered Slayer to rem all, cha mood ber, and kill the Orkish Chieftain (The "gatekeeper" mob when the Orc homes was s of ABR)