well good luck warring, im renting if i see those faggots playing. cant play against clued lab.

Eeeh, NSL sucks rats ass... this is getting booring... you guys really have nothing else to do rl?

Well, the lamest part of it all: They will never change. They still get enough people doing falling for that shit, that they will remain doing it forever and ever add infitum. Its funny, because the get most of their kills from bashtraps. I was on with my level 15 shaman, and 5 of them did not have enough skill to kill me from dt to slag... even though i got engaged in nearly every room from junction to crossing... Ah well, enjoy your fame while it lasts fellahs... you are boring so many mumers to pieces that they are leaving this game and spending their time elsewhere. Soon you will do the same thing to clueless new legends, and I bet it will still satisy you punks... I actually can't wait till you graduate and things get back to normal on this mud =p

er, what was illegal? i'm not trying ta be a wise ass, i just dont get what you are talking about.

No.

Prist wasnt smart to walk in stonedoor at dt.

But by then, the way things are going, i will have long quit. And probably started everquest... not because it is more fun... but because fucking retards spend over $1000 US on eBay for items in that game =p I think i become a smobber on that game... at least i will get rl rewards

It's a feature, not a bug. If valar+ write in news that you cannot exploit
this feature you may not anymore. But as it is at the moment there's nothing
wrong with using it. Of course it's a bit bad sportmanship, if you care about
those things.

Exlain that everquest shit some.

Feature? Bug? I dont have to call it anything to assure u that when i get my hands on those little fuckers im gonna strangle them with my bare hands!

is it just my imagination or does nsl bashtrap below slag about 10 times every day with zaber as basher and the rest as casters? is it still fun to be considered worthless nogood crapkill players?

Zaber buffs mobs, Shadrach engages Zaber, Zaber bashes Shadrach, Zaber yells 'Nuke Shadrach!' across lab, Zaber types kill *mob*, Shadrach is no longer Zaber's target, NSL casters arrive from above, NSL casters nuke Shadrach who now has 0!! change of being hit by Zaber who is now targetting the *mob*, Shadrach gets nuked, and because spells do not trigger autowimpy (change that please gods), Shadrach dies. There you go. Perfect example of how to abuse that system of combat. Its funny how gods will strip Mochomurka of the eq gained from killing Balrog with charmies and then change charm spell, yet this, and other more important shit sits on the back-burner for days, weeks, months, even years... Just mho of course.

Recent example of the depths to which EQ rich kids will obtain a piece of good eq on everquest. Group kills a big red dragon that loads, among other items, a really powerful cloak that gives hps, and has wicked fire save. The person that got the cloak from the loot decided to advertise it on eBay. It recently auctioned off for $1400 US. He gets the money, and he gives the cloak to the buyer. Now is that not fucking hilarious!!? =p

I told you nsl are suckers _as a group_, fucking up game balance and should be bansited/deported to bananaland until the age of 18. Shadrach is my no1 enemy but this really pathetic abuse of game mechanics that IS a bug EVEN if gods didn't realize/get their thumb out yet.

Not smart to spam in stonedoor..*duh* i got 5 spammer pukes in my ass and as soon as i step in, i press and there are already 5 horny virgin teens spaamming it closed on their 10ms links and 3 huge mobs on solo bn - instabash -> rip...not smart not smart..go fuck yourself siroth, k?

I was talking to another mudder who quit his mud because it allowed multiplaying... I told him about MUME to spark his interest, he was really interested and asked me how it was for trying new things and exploring. I told him it was good, but i could not lie, so i told him about Mochomurka's case of killing the Balrog (he was amazed we had a Balrog as he was a Tolkien fan from wayback) solo. He asked if Mochomurka was rewarded... i could not lie again, and told him that Mocho was stripped of the loot (good shit!!) and god reasoning was that "The balrog should not be solo-able." And that this sparked a change in how the charm spell worked, even though Mocho spent more than 11 rl hours planning this. I also told him how it was possible to be nuked to dead in one round by a bunch of 16 ms linked players because of the bash skill and the lack of spells triggering autowimpy. He said, well generally the game sounds good, but I ain't wasting my time if shit like that happens... I said yah... and started considering it myself.

Well it is bullshit Balrog not soloable..... it is just fucking nice if you can do such a thing taking whole day for 1 mob.....
The gods who did that truely suck arse, sorry to mention THAT.

LAUGH, I've been waiting for a swede lab to grasp this idea
for a couple months now. I qualify this a huge bug, which
maybe now will be changed, maybe not.

Anyways, on to happier notes, for all you who say Everquest
is pay to play, check out the sales of equip on ebay. Some
items going for over $1000 US, that take about 4 hours and
some skill to get. EQ is my new job :p

I'd feel sorry if the victim weren't Shardrach :-)

Since my log is dead on page 2, i wanna respond to Shadrach telling me that I am sucking up to Nazgum. I know him rl, we are friends rl, we hang out rl, he introduced me to this cursed game. To think that I am sucking up to Naz is completely hilarious to me, and I bash him rl more than I "suck up" to him rl =p
He does the same with me. I just used him as an example as most people recognize his name. I coulda used Drengist, Donk, Othrod, or any old great Mumers that rarely play anymore for the reasons I listed in my old log. Unless I am mistaken and they don't play for other reasons, I think I on the mark.

Donk rarely plays mume?

that everquest story has got to be BS.

I haven't checked ebay yet, but I have no reason not to believe the $1000+ reports. I've seen equip for Diablo 2 sell on ebay for over $100, and you can get any piece in that game just by gambling within the game for long enough.

Well I belive 1000+ since it seems tons are playing everquest and you always have lazy people willing to put money in it.

it wasnt $1000 it was $100

The Everquest 'rumors' are true from what I have heard. Or maybe what I have heard were just rumors too? *wink* BTW, did I mention how nsl players (Forin included) suck ass? Fucknuts.

Thinking you can make lots of money consistently on EverQuest is stupid. The game is becoming dated and other, newer Massively-Multiplayer-Online-RolePlaying-Games are taking everquest players. Everquest has been out for 2 years, you really think ppl will keep paying $1000 for equipment from it?

I was hooked up with a link to ebay... And checked it out... The shit that gets sold via everquest shit is going for well over 100 American... But I'm waiting to see smoethnig go for over 1k... When it does, I'll go spend the time to get it.

Ofcourse its much more fun to trap with your new czech friends snotty?
someone narrates 'snotty running east', could it be stonedoor?

I think its time to make any conversation not delivered over a mume channel an illegal and demotable defense.

And its easily enforceable too! Just snoop and when important messages don't appear on narrate or tell (messages like come nuke shadrach hes bashed.) Zap em a few dozen levels :).... either that or give the rest of us who dont have a lab a workable group tell.

No way of doing that Niccolo.. the last part may be implementable but far from
reasonable. What we need, on the other hand, is to get rid of narrate, sing and tell. That would put some feeling into the whole thingie

By removing narrates like "come nuke shadrach, hes bashed" we are giving labs an even bigger advantage that we nonlabbers cant do it. How often do you hear Zaber actually narrate that he's bashed someone... its yell to his flunky nukers from across the lab. And labbies already got grouptell... unfortunately its out of mume format. Zaber and Galadon seem to have the only real skill I've seen from NSL, all the rest just do what they're told. That's just what it seems like to me.

Aye Galadon, but you must see the advantage your lab would gain from the removal of such channels... I put forth the idea to add the rp channel and make it the main channel for getting across information to the rest of your race... removal of all channels (maybe even tell, and change that to zone-tell) would give labs the upper hand. Since the style and advantages of your dominant lab is hurting pk now, imagine how bad it would be for us with all channels gone. I vote for one ip address per logon to mume. That would help us out and screw you all over though... so maybe something else could be done... Its still your right to play the game, just play it from home =p

Actually Galadon it could easily be done. Actions were banned; yet it's impossible to prove someone is using well written actions that bind keys (unless they post a log of themselves doing it). I'd say its much easier to prove a conversation took place outside of mume than to prove someone is using actions. If group tell was imped it would even the playing field tho.

Not that it matters. Neither will ever happen. Half of management plays form or has played form labs and they wouldnt want to give up their crutch. And the second part is noidea...

I think removing narrate/sing and imping grouptell would be nice... you get the rp and the thrill of no mass-communication, and you lessen/negate the advantage that labs would receive from removing narrate/sing. Such a plan could possibly increase the desire to move about in groups, but it could also increase the possibility of having real, uninterrupted 1 vs 1 duels. Also, why is grouptell noidea since it's something we can set up on clients anyway?

great idea galadon get rid of tell and narrate that benefit you lab fucks even more then you be only groups that can communicate really fucking bright plan galadon

I want a lab, I really don't speak in caps...

Maybe I'm beeing called a "non-skillful-nsl-wuss" but could it be that you
fellas never see you while we're actually solo? Or do you even know half our
players? Before you call us clueless find out what we accomplish, please. IF you
do that and still think we're crappy players, I'll respect your opinion.

I think nobody seriously can say that you suck. Thats the problem, don't you see! A big pack of good players in a lab that uses all game functions they can find to kill as many as possible, from the same side of war.

I think it is not necessary to know all the characters NSL plays. It does not interest me that much that i gonna learn them by head why the fuck should I. Point is when most people meet u guys its in a big group and using all ways to kill as many as possible. Go play quake3, that is the ultimate game for guys like you. Get quad and nuke all, and have fun out of that.

And btw so much clued they aren't just lame and good linked, except some of them maybe. *snore*

Niccolo - 0 out of 2 imps play from a lab. 1 out of 5 aratar play from a lab. 5/10 valar have in the past, but only 1/10 do now. Nothing annoys us more than crap like this, accusing management of trying to fix the game for our advantage. Pretty bad when you consider that this game is free, and the GIGANTIC time we spend creating and maintaining it. No wonder we lose so many v+ pissed off at the crap we get .....

Oh, and I forgot to say, you guys have the wrong ideas on how flee code works, but I'm too pissed off to explain it. Flee needs changed though - hopefully we can get a consensus for some form of in-game autoflee.

Well commenting as an Aussie legend with a permanently slow link: how are we
went to compete against groups playing in labs with fast links who also
exploit loop holes?? If anyone complains that I am too high lvl to exp in BM,
well let us swap links for a week and see if you can pk....

Just as an add-on comment about auctioning EQ items, it's basically too late to think about doing that seriously. The real money for that comes when a game is relatively new, at that point you can sell characters and items for good money. But once the game ages you have way too many people trying to do just that, and as a result your profit margin drops to the point where it's just not worth it. It is also incredibly, mind-numbingly boring. You have to work your way to the spot, then have to sit there for (literally) up to 20 to 30 hours (that's right, no sleep) and hope that one of the pops of that creature loads the item you are looking for. And you have to pray that all during this time some other group wanting to do just what you are doing doesn't show up and have an IMM boost your group out of the spot so they can have a turn. If you are really serious about doing something like this you need to have a dedicated real-life team that can switch-play 24/7 (see RussBarb on Diablo2) and you need to get their -first-.

Comeon, getting money for items of a game is sick. This game is like Ghostly said totally FREE, gods put tons of time in the game to let it work and get better. A little respect for them would be nice...
And Ghostly remember this, an old saying out of Holland: Hoge bomen vangen veel wind (translation: High trees catch most of the wind, saying the higher level god you are the more people piss on you). Anyway, I have nothing against most high level gods (except Ilie who fucked trolls who were GH and some others who fucked Mochomurka doing Balrog with charmies) since they are nearly always happy to help people. I have something against labs logging their maia's so they can see what happens at the other side of the alignment and any other abuse by other people.

Once i bought a ruby ring, a chanted 2-hander and a pair of shining vambraces from Enso for 200 sek and a pizza.
I thought i got a rocking deal, and he too since he was hungry and broke.

Ghostly - I know exactly which A+ and V+ played from labs. I also am aware that most don't play from them anymore (hence the play or have played from labs line in previous post). I don't consider what I said accusing management of fixing the game to their advantage. I merely note that a large portion of management may have sympathy for or identify with those who play from labs and as such would never take what I consider to be an appropriate measure. Jeez if comments like that upset you then not only are you blindly biased but you have the mood swings of a woman experiencing her monthly problem! Good god man you brits are supposed to have thick skins!

Ehhe Okie I reread my first post. I can see how the phrase "giving up their crutch" could be construed the way you took it.

OK fair enough, if you didn't mean it like that. personally I rather think of management nowadays as anti-labs ..... especially with the bother they cause with cheaters. As for numbers: something like 2/3 of current management (and retired people have no power remember) never played mortals regularly from a lab. Take those that really matter, the A+, and only 1/7 has that "lab" perspective.

I play from a lab! 3 PC's with me, myself and I :)

PPL that never played from a lab are way to obsessed with labs. They seem to think
that all ppl do in labs is cheat and discuss alternative ways to cheat. They also
seem to think that playing from a lab is an automatic way to warlord your
characters, as you have unlimited help from your lab friends. All of us who knows
how things goes around in a lab, how it really works, finds this rather ridicolous.
During the years i have played in a lab i have seen very little cheating. Half
of the time i play i use tells via MUME to my friends in the lab, simply to not
disturb others doing something more important like working. Some of the funniest
episodes on MUME was when we fought eachother in the lah. Killing your lab mates
while watching his facial expressions is more fun then killing some american you
never even heard of, belive me.

Hmm I know some ok coders who just cant make Maia levels because you have no job
for them:P I heared also you need to lick ass to make a V+. So I don't have any maia
and yes, I'd like to bould something but all my friends who have immos told me it
is crap. Boring and nothing more.