what a retard. we have a new grang out there..

And gods should really ask an explanation before notelling me for spamming vogar...
Some spamtell vogar after i asked him why he killed me and bam! - Feanor took away your ability to tell.
I figured spamming him was really the only way i could harm him in any way.
I really think p(vogar) is a retard irl!

Spamtelling is something you cannot "stop" in any way and belongs here even less than sameside pk. But about Vogar... isn't he the guy who used his "friends" char to lure Nepenthe and several others into places where he with his char and Gimlung would kill them. I believe that char got demoted to lvl1... but his show still goes oooooon! :P

Yes, i agree, spamtelling was a bit out of place here, but i was furious and that was the first idea that popped into my mind.

Heh. That he is Ughar... That he is... Guess he didn't wanna be one-upped by someone. And as far as Grang goes, I think he's still mad at me for something I didn't do.

Like marajade says "its funny how someone can cause so much chaos without breaking the game rules" yeah, maybe the rules are fucked that allow idiots to ruin the fun for other people tho? idiots like this are always around and always causes "chaos" if they are active doing their bullshit.

Another funny thing is it's perfectly ok to kill someone at random, but if you KNOW someone is an idiot because he did something to one of your other chars, you're no longer allowed to kill him.

There's another one out there too, Cry or something like that. Doing the old 'mobkilling newbies for their eq' thing :P

And then there's Grang... Who pretty much got me killed by attacking me.

Grang and Vogar pretty much killed all newbies in NOC today...

I personally don't mind Grang when he doesn't sameside pk... but this shit really ruins the mume experience for others. If him, Vogar, and anyone else refuses to stop doing it, I believe they should have their site banned or all their characters deleted. Really, how fulfilling is it to kill a newbie, burn his corpse, then spend the next 1/2 hour running away from brother orcs? Its not that hard just to _stop_ doing it. I really don't understand what is taking MUME management so long to dish out punishments... do you really give a shit what a game ruiner thinks of you guys? Give them an ultimatum of quit it, or be banished from MUME. It is YOUR game up there afterall and if you let this shit to continue, you are just upsetting the 99% of MUMERS that adhere to proper conduct.

Mume management needs to pay serious attention to what is going on here, the darkie side of mume is dying a little more every day (and has been for months). The only thing that ever made darkies viable was that the most experienced people with the best links played darkie. Now the most experienced people with the best links play pukes, and only die-hard masochists are left to play darkie. That, and parasites like Grang/Vogar who feed off the decay. Ideally (IMO), the race power structure should be 60/40 in favor of puke side. Maybe 70/30. But as it is now it's more like 90/10, and on bad days 95/5.

I completely agree, Malak. The other say i was exping my shamana and someone gave me new belt( just bsb) , so grang stole it from me but there was more scouts playing.. waste of time figuring out whos telling the truth and who isnt. And finally grang rents and laughs behind our backs : I say there are rules and then again there are RULES. MUME sure aint newbie friendly on dark side anymore:( goddamnit ban their sites!!!!

Newbies do not.. should not play darkies 8)

Yep this is another in a line of orc pkers I have seen in the NOC. Thus I
don't play orc anymore. I would rather just fight the sun, and elves, than
same side killers, and elves. I don't help any orc I know is a orcPK, (although
it does not matter, like they typically need my help..spit). Normally I have
seen high level orcs get killed by a large amount of elves somewhere, then kill
any newbie in the NOC to get re-equiped, and run back after the elves. Makes
you want to be a ORC huh?

Vogar=Audi=Jandor He's dangerous. Do not follow him, group with him, or play near him. Kill him on sight.

Change newbies to lowbies.. Think that was what unknown ment.

Think gods to nice towards ppl doing this stuff. No reason fer a sameside pk regardless of race: demote lvl1. Easy to have a fun game fer new players again!
We need more players who dont get upset and quit!!!!!!!!!!! Or bansite ppl who do this permanently. Even better.

there are to many legends in noc that do nothing when someone is killing sameside.. i for one only kill those that do with one of my darkies. the one i care least about..

How fucking hard can it be for noc legends to kill grang, or so? play his game, go behind his back without him knowing it

Killing Grang wont do shit.. he'll get a fang, and kill
more newbies... he need a Realdeath-flag... like saurons
listed chars...

And some people said the management should take care of this..


Get it into your heads people, the managent doesn't give
a SHIT about mume, or the players of mume...
They sit up there, mingle, and ride the high horses...

I was thinking about that luring incident earlier today, actually...

What we really need is for the legend orcs to take it upon themselves to solve the problem. Notice how Grang and Vogar never kill Shadrach or Norsu or Tairach? Why? Cause they suck and can't. So we need to teach them a lesson. Nazgum set a wonderful example. Kill these bastards on sight. Hit them, hit them hard, kill them. That's the only thing they understand. I feel that NOC should be like the Warrens: no same-side pkilling inside. If you do, you face demotion.

No don't remove them godammit!!, Grang is actually 100k exp donno about the
other guy though.

Common, it's simple the idiots need the where command to PK! Where's the frikn' challenge in that?

Remove the where command for same side pk'ers, infact remove the who command too.

The reason you dont whack players like Norsu Tairach is beecase hey are warriors with high hps and could kick your ass. thief vs warrior wtf you think is going to happen. I can tell you that grang and i do not suck, we are better than half the people in the game with a lot of knowledge. Also, Jandor is fine with all my characters they have different personalities.

I think grang would agree

I think that sameside orc pkers that the system fails to deal with, should be made wanted for all eternity in noc. Let's face it: any punishment the players in the game are allowed to deliver, is insufficient for some1 who can get the xp he lost back in 10 mins on sleeping lowlevels and continue the killing.

Well Vogar, I hope you are wrong, because otherwise the 'better half' of people who play Mume are cowards who can only play superpukes and same-side pkillers.

Damm this makes me sick! last time =P DEMOTE SAMESIDE KILLERS!!! or bansite =P
i dont care what side your on, pukes have sauron list for this. darkies need something like that to!