Poor leading, we prolly could have done a lil better if I'd been a better leader ;)

Well, less yelling damn and more hitting bn's would be better.

rotfl, that was pretty sad fighting on the pukes part. smart move, go metal when theres an assload of hard hitting mobs in the area? or start hitting BEFORE your 2 friends die? panic panic panic! geez

I found tell z HELP most amusing.

Daevia, were you there, are you a newbie like me, I don't think so. As for tz HELP impulses come by themselves, and I wanted to get my stuff back as I was 145% sure I'd die =)

Snicker, hit flee one target with the whole group would have been nice...
but that is easily said =)

Course, sad fighting by me when I look back at it to begin with, but we aren't all as prepared and experienced as some are, at least I aint, I think ;)

Mana cold... =1 cure... damn if you had that you would have a butt load of eq :P and so on.. good log :)

If you have a grp you can trust to do exactly the right thing w/o you telling them anything then perhaps you can fight, but if ppl panic? what is there to do than try to fight your own fight? I think Tror did rather well here except for the going metal part and staying to eat spells in the end.

ment going leather of course

I won't say I am experienced and some areas I still suck terribly, but sometimes I manage to think bright when pking ;P

Nice tror, 3v1 +agg mobs, you whacka 2, overall i say nice

First of all, Daevia would have fucked up if she was there, u did pretty well vs 3 bns(prolly low on mana but anyways)

ehhe Aram, get a clue :p

always has, always will...

Captain Tror ROCKS!
Allthough I do think keeping a cool head at the beginning instead of fleeing around and not fighting would have made you kill all BN's and maybe rescued at least one of your teammates as well.
Ah well.. Tror is normally a rocking leader, but of course during panic we all do things we regret later on..
*ponder* btw.. a strange thing happened to me today.. I was standing top in rivndell, I thought... and suddenly.. i was stabbed in the back.. I didn't understand shit.. it turned out I was moors, OUTSIDE rivendell.. and then lots o orcs chased me, I spammed west, and there was darkies ALL THE F...IN way.. *sigh* finally died moveless near cavebears e of brush.. (alone vs. 3 darkies i think it was.. though Magica tried to rescue me.. *hugs*)

Badass die darkie scum

I say good work all in all. Everyone can say what the would have done after they see that what you did didnt work out.

what was so strange about that furin?

What? Not even ONE scroll ?! *choke* One azure and outcome would be different.
Or purple.

a propos - damn - i had an azure wiht girando - me lil idiot :)

Entertaining log!

Gig Furin - we spent like 5 mins standing outside deadwood, wondering what the hell is the exit :P felt like a goddamn moron there, but hey you can't know everything! if you had stayed there till Magica arrived perhaps you would have made it.

i say tror did well under the circumstances

Nardun raises his hammer high, calling out in a deep voice "For Clan
Deepforge, by Durin's beard!"

My name will always live on!

OK. For those of you criticizing Tror, do some addition. He was hurt and they were three. By the time he died, two of them were dead and the other was really fucked up. I'd say his performance was more the admirable. At least he went down fighting. *clap Tror*

Well done Tror. with 3 bns on you you did rather well. I thought Slidar was dead?

Real dwarfie! :>

Cmoon This clap tror thingi is sick imo, dwarf warrior vs manaless bns *THINK* Bns dont have defence bns dont have hps etc etc

I would say this was pretty well fought by Tror, and quite understand the tendency to count the foe three times when they arrive during levelling. Unfortunately my plan was to explore the Umuk area after we had cleared it, which the numenoreans efficiently prevented, and so I was a bit lost in there. Calling out "For Clan Deepforge, by Durin's beard!" means that I go aggy. I knew we were blocked, and that the exit was hidden, but not where it was hidden. Well, time to fight I thought. I was rather happy bashing Sharan and having a troll pound on her at the same time, and was about to repeat the nice trick when a troll hit me. Difficulties in fleeing made the tables turn, a troll bashed me while the numenoreans gleefully unleashed Sauron's power upon me. I couldn't even flee after recovering from the bash! *sniff* Well, I have received some credit for the warcry, and I'll take my consolation from it. Thanks for the log and the fight.

sad but true, but Sharmak seems to be the only one of those who lately
commented who knows about the big advantages of darkies :)

sharmak i saw 3 on 1 didnt you?

Kroms maybe you need to play BN to get his point.

I like it when unknowns try and insult me, means I'm obviously better at life in general than them or else they wouldn't have to be unknown! Keep it up guys, I need more ego boosting.

Axel: People lately seem to think that (1 level 26-76 puke of any class) equals (1 level 26-76 darkie of any class) so that any 3 vs 3 fight is perfectly even and any 1 vs 3 fight is always overkill. I hate to tell you guys, but 3 low mana bns vs a max eq puke warrior, the warrior has a pretty good shot at killing all 3 of them if he plays his cards right.

I think thats what Axel meant Daevia...

Don't forget that the BN's had suprise on their side. A BN's main advantage is suprise and magic... TWO!! A BN's TWO main advantages are suprise, magic, and deceit! Oh damn!
As for bn power, I honestly think it's silly for bn's to block themselves inside Umuk's area with trolls, even if it is with pukes as well =]. But that's my slow-link talking.

Yeh, I know, don't have to disagree with someone to talk to/at them. :>

Bn's main avantages are 1.surprise! 2.Magic. Surprise and Magic! 3.Surprise, magic, and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope! errr....

And sharon complain about us coming to get the eq there, of course we help tror to regain eq when he asks. We were only 4, Zaber, Yrja, Tror and some other. Both me(yrja) and tror were both naked, no weapon nor light..

I think Sharmak and Axel and several others are missing a point too, however. It could have been very easy for Tror to simply lose his head after seeing his group fall to the BNs. He didn't. He had the presence of mind to go all OB and attack flee like a mad man. Not every dwarf would have done that given the same situation. So, yes, I'm going to congratulate him on his work here. He could have simply rolled over and died. He didn't. And I'll congratulate anyone who goes down fighting. *clap Tror*

Wasn't very good chasing from BN-s side, it was only at the end when they started doing the right thing, but then it was already a bit late.

Many darkies have a factor that will help them a lot..
Fear... most whiteys will get scared when ambushed by
whiteys and panic.. if you panic, you die...
Even more so was it long ago, when all darkies was old
weatherworn veterans of battle, and stayed calm in battles,
while the free people of Arda would run around looking for exits..
Today, many morons play darkies, and that have killed the respect
and fear the dark forces of Sauron once had..

Wrong, you can. Just put 2 years in mapping only, don't spend time in pk (pointless anyways: clueful opponents will just hide in some secret - not known to you - if beaten; and what fun in hunting clueless?).

good point Uinen, but if I may ask - what would you have done different? (remember, that you are only seeing Tror perspective here)

i'll tell you that this fight was insanely fast, much faster than a fight would be outside when you have the longer movedelay. I am full of admiration for how both the other bns played here. Some comments here are also stupid, like clapping tror for going leather when we got 110defence in moria and he full ob being dwarf. Also dont forget we blocked 2 exits and bns block costs like 25% of their mana. I've never ever seen a block wear of that fast, and i've never seen moria w gate pop open so fast to let pukefucks in. Sure, we had the surprise effect, but pukes had the "look a *BN*!" effect and should have won, but analyzing who did right and who did wrong is kind of pointless - many errors are done in any fight like this.

I love ignorant people like sharan. Tror was 1 on three. I don't care if you were three mid levels you still should have one. You were three nicely equipped bns and got your ass kicked. Admit it.

Unknown, the problem is that you need to have played a BN, you need to have
played a for instance dwarf legend vs a BN and you need to know the zone and the mobs we were in to know what was going on. Since you lacking all three of those points + the guts to show yaself. Shutup :p

Axel, you seem to miss the point. This wasn't a dwarf legend vs a BN. This was a dwarf legend vs 3 nicely equipped BNs. And the mobs, did you notice they were hitting Tror too? And as for the area, Sharan claims he didn't know who the dwarves were. When was the last time you were in Umuk and found some midlevels xping? You knew they were three and you still entered for them. So shutup :D

I do not wanna downgrade Tror. He is friend and he did rather ok IMO, but
do not speak of 1 vs 3. Because it was 3 vs 3 and those 3 pukes should have beat
us easily, but nods - there was the surprise factor which let us win. A surprise factor which should not be underrated. After 2 pukes died and we were 3 vs 1 at least two of us had no armour spell up and icy/cold mana. Wiht agg mobs you are living on the edge since every hit is like 30+ hps. Everyone who went to Moria with a caster knows what it means when armour spells drops (you have zone mali) and you are for instance in close Umuk zone loaded with mobs. You do not wanna compare a BN in such state with a dwarf warrior. Better compare em to smth like slithering snake or whatever - dead in two hits. When there is something to admit and when there is a fuckup I am the last to not admit it. But as a thumbrule: 3 legend pukes (2 Max Dwarf hitters) vs 3 BNs in closed 4+ room zone + agg mobs is like certain death to the BNs. And that is how I felt after I blocked and seeing Tror and Nardun and knowing that they are two warriors. PK with a legend BN in agg mob zone with dwarves and you know what I am talking about. If you dont know. Better be quiet. Nosfe and me ripped, but it was a death to be proud of.

That "giggle" before eating the ball lost your fight. Also if you used time with attacking bns instead of trying to bash off block, your group members could have survived.
On the other hand it is said that you didn't gain any xp from the kills, as you surely deserved it.

Well Unknown, since you have no clue I tell ya. Tror lvl 38, Nardun lvl 39, Kasper lvl 38, both Warriors max set - midlevels?? BN eq doesnt count shit - we even didnt have such nice eq, so do not hit on that. I say it again play BN and you know that what I am talking about.

moron unknown we were 3 on 3 and when we killed trors 2 followers we had almost no mana. IGNORANT?!?! YOU are ignorant not reading whole log! I quote "Sharan claims he didn't know who the dwarves were. When was the last time you were in Umuk and found some midlevels xping? You knew they were three and you still entered for them. So shutup :D" What the FUCK is your point here you braindead infant? That 3 midbies had kicked us better than 3 legends? Show us your name so we can get a laugh when we meet you. btw I'm exping midbies in umuk all the time you pathetic newbie. Learn the game a bit before you start commenting.

Can't we all just get along :-) I'll start it. Excellent work by the BNs! Excellent work by the Whities! Thanks to all involved for making my day at work a little better :-)

If a game requires 2 YEARS of playing before becoming able to actively participate in a major portion of the game...well...it sucks. I started pking pretty much the first month I started playing. Then again my 2nd character after my human thief was a bn cleric so ehhh. :P Face it, mapping is no fun. I have had much more fun learning maps WHILE I'm pking. Pking in a zone you don't know early in life was always a thrill. Knowing the entire map is...boring!

well, there are people and people I guess - I always have fun mapping a new zone
and I had tons and tons of fun mapping Moria.

*shrug* Axel is perfectly right, we are completely different people. Exploring can be fun too, esp if you read room and mob descriptions, hehe :) And btw, it is like collecting money and placing em to bank: hard when you accumulate it - but easy-going afterwards, when you just receive interest :P It's always fun to map and know: soon, real soon nobody will be able to hide somewhere from me! *cackle* And btw, who cares how early you started to pk? Thing is how effectively you pk. How much playtime on all your chars passed until you warlorded? This is the point.

Um how much playingtime passed before you warlorded? how many warlords does Gray have ?

How comes you didn't have the shining breastplate in inventory when you died?
Did you filter out something outta log? Like "hide plate" or "give plate troll"?

you ever heard of "fun"? numbercruncher

Nothing in this log shows a telling zaber where shining was hid be4 death......
makes me wonder how they recovered the hidden then.

in such a situation I would never ever think of hiding eq :) but well, I didnt evne think of using my azure :)

I dont c why editing hiding his shining out but its quite obvious to me that
its completly illogical that Tror would cut out a tell about where hid, So Zaber group
recovered the shining was illegal even though Tror it wasnt given to Tror, but kept.
This was clearly a try to cheat. *comfort* Tror.
Yeah i know the bplate tror had later was given to him as gift from Nardun.

I sense bitterness here about the shining ;) Well anyway, quite obvious that Zaber would know I had shining, and since it wasnt recovered by bns, I HAD to have hid it in there somewhere, anyway.. Aint illegal if I tell him b4, is it, well dont care that much, *zapzap?* ;)

He its not bitterness its rules. And how should he know rpish that bns didnt take
shining ? Fatal error there Tror he would not seek unless u told him u hid after.

Well, if everything is perfectly ok, why is the hide shining not shown in the
log - you would prolly have won if you would not have been so eq gay

Lot's of ppl comment on issues they have no clue what so ever about. The fact is
that the BN's did a crazy thing blocking themselves in with mobs + 3 obvious
whitie legends. The BN's would not stand a chance if the pukes decided to fight
right away instead of trying to get out. The initial panicing and fleeing from the
whities is as faar as i see it the only real misstake in this fight (well after
the crazy block was done anyway :-) ). Tror did well when he realized he was not
going to be able to leave the place alive unless the BN's died. Maybe te removal
of the metal was a bit stupid IMOHO though. He would probably and most likely have
been able to hit the bns wearing ABS too. After all BN's have maluses in moria.
Wearing the abs he would not have taken any beating from the mobs and thus he
would probably not have died before the last bn. The BN would have had a much
greater chanse of a mobdeath. congratulations all to a nice fight. The outcome
was not obvious to me.