Meriadoc the Wise, the Holy Judge
posted by Watár
2001-03-22 19:43:51
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Meriadocs morals. 
Go priest to get vials... resting mvs in guardroom with door open so no1 blocks me in,
full hps, can take stab so not searching.


* W C>
Saving Watár.

* W C>l    # Issued commands look, sc, see when they go through, linkdrop was set to 10, timing? :)
sc

You suddenly notice *a Hobbit*.
Suddenly *a Hobbit* stabs you in the back.
That really HURT!

* W C HP:Wounded *a Hobbit*:Healthy>
You flee head over heels.
Domed Chamber
Exits: East West.

o W C HP:Wounded>
You suddenly notice *a Hobbit*.
Suddenly *a Hobbit* stabs you in the back, you die.
You lost some renown in this battle!

You are dead! Sorry...


o W C HP:Awful>Hall of Orcs
The remainders of a disgusting elf-stew cover the ground.
A large fountain, made from grey stone, pours water from its centre.
A musty bread has been left here.
A pot full of the half-decayed remains of an elf is here.

* W C HP:Awful>13/336 hit, 46/46 mana, and 148/148 moves.

Oh this hobbit was Meriadoc who was totally aware he just killed an either linkless or
AFK person, would a *A dreadful Orc* suddenly eat 2 stabs w/o moving? nope. Possibly afk?
yes perhaps, but consider your morals? I wasn't afk, I was looking at the screen which froze
for 5 secs during which he stabs me 2 times...
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Udo Spears2001-03-22 19:46:48
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH DIE BITCH DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!
Watár2001-03-22 19:49:39
Excuse me Udo? I've actually considered you a semifriend since you're finnish too, I see it's not so. Btw. Meriadoc looted -all- too, all in this case includes metal shield, 3 pieces of plain cloth, black padded boots, nochant fang, sacrifial knife, empty backpack, nochant orc bow, quiver with war arrows and a sack with nothing but 25 arrows and my draught ingredients. Oh and my 14 silver. Wow.
Líng2001-03-22 19:59:11
Comf Watar, stabbers who gets TWO stabs in while victim moved approx 1 room probably all KNOW that the victim is linkless/lagged/afk (at least Meriadoc, level 39- i.e not a newbie), and in this case NOT AFK no one goes afk in PRIEST damnit. Damn this sucked =(
Meriadoc the Ju2001-03-22 20:06:37
well, I looted cause I have junk eq meself, didnt wanna stay in there to check in your corpse so I just took it all, heh. I have not played a thief in ages and since you had no flag I excecuted you, I have rested there looking at a mail for for a few secs, so I dont care, when you log in it sais play at your own risk and you risked it I guess.......
Meriadoc to Lin2001-03-22 20:08:16
If you dont play mume 24 hours a day 7 days a week, you cant remeber shit like noone goes afk in priest, I have :)
Fredde2001-03-22 20:14:32
why in earth wouldent he loot? so what if you had shit! that shit you had takes like 1 sec to get back? so why complain!
Merlin2001-03-22 20:17:33
Tough luck :/ but Meriadoc didnt do anything wrong here IMO.
You could just aswell been afk from his pov.
Watár2001-03-22 20:20:42
11 sets of draught ingredients don't load in 1 sec, do they Fredde? I play this char only for BM trips atm. and you instadie if you don't have 20 draughts (yes 20, you get 1 Reivax after you and you die if you don't have 20, no matter how fucking much you hide :P) Again we have one of these "I have a life, thus I kill linkless people" guys who land -2- stabs on someone who clearly autoflees just 1 room. So we can blame life for linklesskilling too it seems. It's somewhat funny also to read comments from ppl like Fredde who aren't all that skilled themselves saying what can be gotten in 1 sec and what can't :P
Watár2001-03-22 20:22:31
Btw Merlin I urge you to re-read the description of the log. If you land 2 stabs you have a chance that the person in question is afk or linkless w/o flag, now if we take quick poll the ones of you with a "life" kill people who don't have a flag and us with no life (Nazgum, Tindo, myself, Ling, hell, even the .cz spare obvious cases) spare people.
Udo Spears2001-03-22 20:24:44
Laugh watar... dont take everything so serious maaaaaan.... and i was just mobdied when i readed that log ;)
Unknown2001-03-22 20:27:10
What did you want him to do ? stand there after first stab and wait for you to flee ?
Watár2001-03-22 20:29:36
Dear unknown, it was like 1-2 secs till either my linkdrop would have kicked in notifying him that I was linkless or like it happened, I would have regained link. If not for stabbing 2 times I would have lived since there was no way he could have finished me so quick otherwise.
Johannes2001-03-22 20:38:24
Afk is fair kill imho - and I guess he couldn't tell if you were afk or linkless. Sucks though :-/
Vargas2001-03-22 20:42:02
ack ack, i'll kill tha furryfuck if i see him linkless
Voile2001-03-22 20:47:43
This sort of kills is what stabbers live for.. We all know its impossible to get in 2 stabs if oponent has 100% link (and clue), so as far as i know many stabbers indeed think its ok to follow 1 room and try another stab (there is always a possiblility the other char is only flushing you out, or bashing you..)
When you dont have flag, and it all takes less than five secs, then you really cant be to angry with Meriadoc. When this is said, i must add that myself i prolly wouldnt have stabbed, or casted before checking if person is linkless.. An easy way to check is to just try a hit, and see if he insta flees one room, then stand still.., since after eating a stab you prolly triggered your opponents wimpy.. Well, i'm not gonna judge or say its ok.. just saying that i understand the whining, and i understand meriadoc.. -Voile
Edvard2001-03-22 21:03:03
whattahell, fucking kill-horny freaks. Afk, laggy, linkless.. who cares!? if you kill one of em, they couldnt do anything about it anyway... it takes no skills whatsoever so.. WHATS THE FUN? drooling over the loot/xp? jesus, the game has gone too far when you start prioritating the xp/wps/eq before the fun of the game.
Watár2001-03-22 21:09:25
Even if you understand that he stabbed again (which I don't personally understand) how can you justify his attitude? He didn't even say he was sorry which would have counted for a lot.
Watár2001-03-22 21:09:45
Instead he said 'I dont care'
Aschit2001-03-22 21:19:29
Meriadoc told me that you were maybe afk when he killed you. If he honestly thought you were afk, then kill is understandable. However, if it were me in that situation, I would most likely have assumed they were linkless and spared. As thief, it's sometimes a tough call to decide in such similar situations. I usually err on the side of caution though, even though it has killed me a couple times.
Grang2001-03-22 21:21:45
i like how watar rebuttles after every comment hehe
Fredde2001-03-22 21:24:06
yeah well wasent me who stayed in priest. we all know that priest is always checked for enemeys and warrens is like 30 rooms away.. lb fort is even nearer. and iam not sure if your scout or not.. really hope so if you are carrying that eq.. and scouts who are smart use hide.. if you rest moves, you hide, if you go afk and no safe place near, you hide. and since you dident have flag he could have thought you where afk.. and this log proved you where online so why complain! you died, get on. live with it.
Unknown2001-03-22 21:24:30
1-2 second until linkdrop? I didnt even see the 5 second message of linkdrop
Watár2001-03-22 21:37:26
Fredde are you too fucking stupid to understand? there are 2 types of ppl, 1 is dont care, have a life type and 1 is i care, mume is part of my life.. the differences are obvious, I'm no fucking newbie, I know when and where I can rest moves safely, I got maxcon, 2/3 max endurance I regen very fast, i was there for like 30 secs with door open, no chance to get blocked in that fast, no use to go warrens coz I didn't wanna go there, no use to go lbfort, coz I was going moria, not w yet. Anyways, the 'I dont care' attitude is what pisses me off the most. And yeah, I've met people like you RL too, I know the type is every bit as frustrating there as it is on MUME. As for Unknowns comment on not seeing 5 sec thing. /def -p1 -mglob -ag -t'*warning*in 5 seconds*' = /if (linkdropstop =~ "on") sc%;/endif, the -ag means I don't see it myself, so all I see is an extra sc prompt.
Azg2001-03-22 21:42:46
How'd you know it was Meriadoc?
Merlin2001-03-22 21:43:10
Watar, you should really stop commenting for tonight.
You have made your point, you think Meriadoc did an ugly thing, some agree some
(like me) don't.
Watár2001-03-22 21:46:39
Why should I stop commenting? if someone questions a fact should I not explain? I got plenty of spare time when I wait for draught stuff to pop, I can comment a lot!! Btw he gained a lot of wp from the kill so he was named on history.
Edvard2001-03-22 22:12:29
*comf watar*...... oh, and comf on death too *wink* =)
Heldo2001-03-22 22:18:33
If you kill someone linkless on purpose(like in this case) atleast have the gutts
to stand for it
Torment2001-03-22 22:22:54
Jesus, USA players get wacked linkless all the time, and to most of us we expect it. Can't even count all the times I was wacked by swede labs when I was obviously linkless. GET OVER IT. Just because you are a Euro who isn't used to it happening doesn't mean you are ANYTHING special.
Watár2001-03-22 22:39:30
Does it mean it sucks any less for us still Torment? and would YOU stab someone 2 times? :) btw Armodo is scary *tickle*
Torment2001-03-22 22:44:54
No I wouldn't, cause I refuse to play a a poofter thief. Every decent nonEstonian pkillers knowshow easy a thief/scout is to play. For Estonians, it's some weird law that all of them have to have a hobbit thief.
Playah2001-03-22 22:53:11
Word Torment!
Lochdale2001-03-22 22:58:01
Torment just has issues with small people. Hobbit scouts are great, its how I learned mume. Bring back move regen and it will all be good. That said, it was a dodgy kill but when u play from a U.S. link it is so common place that most of us have become fairly hardened to these kind of things.
Edvard2001-03-22 23:33:40
bah, US this and US that.... play a US-located mud then! =p
Torment2001-03-22 23:44:57
Move regen is just fine for thieves you silly little hobbit. And you are dead wrong, I love small people. They are tasty in stews, baked, broiled, all sorts of ways! They also make good hood ornaments for my warg.
Fredde to Edvar2001-03-23 00:13:06
for someone who has stopped playing you spend alot of time on mume.net! Moahahha din jävla bäver!
Lochdale2001-03-23 01:23:52
Torment you are out of your alligator eating mind if you think that scout regen isn't totally out of whack. Get back to the swamp Jebidiah and smoke some more possum.
Grang2001-03-23 01:49:40
lochdale, scout mps are fucking beautiful. i can spam noc-abr tower without
resting once (in night), and abr tower to sage caves in the next run. your
little jokes would be alot funnier if they were...well...oh well, they're
just not funny :). alligator eating mind? are you stoned?
Watár2001-03-23 02:01:48
I can spam bwb->gh on foot, sneaking all the way even when there is snow on rtgh without resorting to draughts or resting - sure I'll be moveless after that, but :P
Lochdale2001-03-23 02:06:25
Grang: You are a halfwit. Thats not a wry observation rather its a statement of fact. Take a moment to consider that perhaps my last comment was directed towards Torment, as an inside joke. Perhaps another moment might be in order as you seem so concerned about the well being of the mume populace how about making us all feel that much better by never logging on again?
Axel2001-03-23 02:27:18
Axel2001-03-23 02:28:05
argh, ah well - if you see there and do whatever afk, u certainly deserve to die, evenmore because you posted that
Watár2001-03-23 02:50:40
Excuse me Axel? I was not AFK, I think I clearly stated that in the log? why would I go AFK in priest when I could do it in warrens, or hide to do it, or drop link to do it? *think* Anyways it's funny to see people I've thought to be friends of mine to flame me for this. Seems friends go with characters and once you start a new one you have none :/ guess my whois is too accurate!
Axel2001-03-23 02:53:06
no, I go with the logs being posted
Axel2001-03-23 03:05:27
nods Watar, I misunderstood it, sorry - but I want logs at this site, real logs, good logs - sorry we dont agree here, but mume.net is a pile of shit lately
Meriadoc2001-03-23 08:31:01
Ahha. Watar still pissed, heh. I've gotten me a good nights sleep and still I cant say that I regret that kill, you had no flag I tracked you at ford some w and then outside, dumped pony got in stabbed, you fleed e I walked after and stabbed, over in notime, and you whine whine whine, you need to die more often I would say.
Unknown2001-03-23 09:21:15
Watar you know endurance dosnt have a thing todo with move regen or?
Torment2001-03-23 09:49:52
What would a hobbit know about fine cuisine anyways? Alligator, the other white meat! And yes scout regen is fine, if you prac your char right. Maxxing ventriloquate btw was not the right approach to getting good move regen!
Daerandir to To2001-03-23 09:53:28
I guess there is nothing wrong for having a hobbit thief ...maybe its irrelevant but for a long time there was only one Tolkiens book translated into
Estonian and guess what it was "The Hobbit" ... one teeny weeny problem was that our beloved Union (the Soviet One) controlled the editions of books. now thats a bunch of crap, but talking about game, it is really easy to start playing Mume with hobbit(sneaking is quite safe) and you know what the first char(if you have some clue what a mobdeath can cause and u avoid it) will be mostly the char u love most. (now thats sentimental crap :)
Meriadoc2001-03-23 10:11:29
Hobbit thiefs suck, all thiefs suck, backstab dont do enough dam in pk so you need poison, but I dont wanna be a poison whore so I play without it. All they are good for is xp, but on the other hand that is really easy :). I created meriadoc a few years ago as a sneakin smiter, and that rocked. I also has done balrog as a hobbit with that setup. But mume chages and hobbits just aint good enough these days, so I made him a thief, and here I am getting blamed to be a furry lame whore. Come on Watar lets meet in the open one on one instead on Whine.net. - The Utter Hobbit
Shadrach to Dae2001-03-23 10:16:12
You bring up an interesting issue! Imagine living in a country where the only Tolkien book is Bilbo the hobbit and there is a constant shortage on it! And then there still are socialists as Ilamrin on mume. If u ask me, when im sober and after a full nites sleep and a sturdy breakfast, I still think every fucking socialist deserve a bullet in the back of the head!
Majere2001-03-23 10:42:34
Fortsätt kämpa för ett totalitärt samhälle, vi tar oss an dig på barrikaderna precis som vi slåss mot nassarna. (A)
Daerandir to Sc2001-03-23 13:34:07
I dont't imagine ...i lived there :)
wasn't so hard though for i was quite young then :)
Shadrach2001-03-23 14:07:49
Isnt Majere nsl? If so, how come you other members nsl tolerate the political opinions Majere demonstrate? (if u need someone to hold him while u beat him up dont hesitate to ask)
Unknown2001-03-23 14:19:07
Tough shit life isnt fair if u have unstable link and cant live with dying to freezes dont play the game
Majere2001-03-23 14:59:20
I sure as hell am nsl.. They more then agree with me, so bring it on. (Kom inte o säg annat nu, kisstofsen och ni andra!=P )
Daerandir2001-03-23 15:11:13
Shadrach2001-03-23 15:18:06
Nsl socialists???? Me and nsl cool or holy war? Your choice.
Pizdec2001-03-23 15:40:07
Well, its not the priset the only place were u'll die 100% wile being afkish, my orc lev 7 was killed at depression (nocish) wile being afk to sameside takilla lev 13-14 i suppose. :P [wich payed with his life ofcorse]
Gray2001-03-23 17:36:15
If you play only to do bm trips and kill defenceless newbies - you deserve such death.
Watár2001-03-23 18:32:23
Try going to the bm's Gray and see how well you do with 3-10 newbie legends after you (usually half of those have a clue tho), and as I said, 1 Reivax and things get interesting
Gray2001-03-23 18:59:51
*peer* Yes, I have legend orcthief and yes I was in BM. Yes I know its hard to get there - but then it's piece of cake: tons water to get rid of trackers, tons places to hide and - main! - tons ppl who just _don't_ _expect_ _enemy_ _here_! And you can as lame as you can kill in one stab legend mage who sleeping mana after some exping...
Watár2001-03-23 20:43:58
So a guy who constantly storeports/calls lightning calls me lame for going to BMs to kill? how many ppl with a clue do not search if they expect you to be in the area? :) only the clueless ones won't and btw who's this legend orcthief you have .) and getting there is hard? its definitely not, getting out can be a pain if you have to do it at day when already low mvs.
Gray2001-03-24 01:34:28
These who permasearch for orc-stabbers in *BM* zones are not called clueful... they called paranoid. And before you land your first stab nobody will know you are around... Well, I didn't said that it is lame strategy - otherwise I must say all thief's life is lame. Though, isn't it?
Watár2001-03-24 03:17:21
Oh btw. no1 will know you're around? :) last 2 times I've been narrated of when I was still in the shire, fail sneak and something will yell :/ then I'm greeted by the sight of Reivax with a glowsword 1 tick after sun came
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