Spell changes.
posted by Fingeror
2001-03-23 21:26:23
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Check the new locate map out. If anyone understand this map.. i don't. I've yet
 W C Mana:Burning>locr
cast 'locate' sirabgabok
You start to concentrate...

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Magíca2001-03-23 21:29:25
How the f*ck can anyone PK with that? I'm scared to locate now because I get that HUGEHUGE 2-pages spam of the damn map =)
Herold2001-03-23 21:31:14
Tammetõru
Fyrestar2001-03-23 21:33:42
*point rather-egg-shaped-map* It's in preparation for Easter i tell ya! :P
Trágg2001-03-23 21:37:56
Pretty easter egg! gonna paint one just like it!
Armodo2001-03-23 21:45:12

It's probably circular, butlooks oval coz of pixel format.

what were you locating?
Unknown2001-03-23 21:49:16
I would guess that this range is due to the fact that you have max locate and are an extremely high level. A normal legend will not get something like this.
Turviniel2001-03-23 21:49:34
I wonder if i can print it out as a poster and to put it on my wall!
It looks cute when you look it more than 30 feet away!
Reivax2001-03-23 21:51:01
It's very obvious that unknown hasn't got a locater. It's more than 2 screens on my client.
Nienor2001-03-23 21:57:19
If you think it is too big, you may want to try casting it quick or decaying a few practices in the spell.
Herold2001-03-23 21:58:58
ooooo.. huvitav kui suure tammetõru mina suudaksin summonida, ja missugune tamm sellest veel kasvaks!!!
Jocke2001-03-23 21:59:10
It's not just big Nienor, it's UGLY. First of all try to remove the silly frame
of **** stars.
Jocke2001-03-23 22:00:47
It's not just big Nienor, it's UGLY. First of all try to remove the silly frame
of **** stars.
Jocke2001-03-23 22:02:18
Er not *'s but #'s. What ever..
Turviniel2001-03-23 22:02:44
I wonder if my computer would crash if i casted it thoro (i dont have
too much RAM you know)
Toe2001-03-23 22:05:48
Make it 10 times as big! Make it kill them pukes links!
Magíca2001-03-23 22:10:43
Nienor, I got 2 pracs in locate and still get more than 2 pages of spam =( I don't know who it was that came up with this change but I doubt that they/he/she have/has tested it themselves- what was wrong with the old locate-map? It was small, yet it ranged over half of Arda. One simply can't use that map in PK, too spammy.
Tony2001-03-23 22:10:56
since im not playing any char with locate atm i would like to thank the builders
for this great map !
Nienor2001-03-23 22:12:47
I doubt that removing #'s would do much for its size. And if you think it'd look better with just the empty space, the empty space and #'s have different meanings: space means there is nothing there, but # means that whatever is there is out of range.

I bet Manwe never thought that anyone would complain about the range being too big! There's no pleasing some people. :)
Unknown2001-03-23 22:15:34
Ha ha Reivax. I was right.
Known2001-03-23 22:17:01
Lovely!
I like it, please can it stay this way?
Oscarmeyer2001-03-23 22:41:24
I like it! Now everyone will be too spammed to hunt me!
Oscarmeyer2001-03-23 22:43:05
Is it just me, or was the intent of this change to make it so that locate is cast in 'safe' situations? Obviously it will take more time to decipher the output now. I (personally) think locate was overpowered. Is this change meant to give those of us non-bobbers a chance to live in pk with mages now?
Armodo2001-03-23 23:25:22

That doesn't look like any arda map i know, so what are those - ?
rooms or zones?
seems like rooms. that would mean a decreased range.
Shadrach2001-03-23 23:42:21
WOW! THey are so big that u can print them and post them on the wall over the bed!
Reivax2001-03-23 23:47:18
Hmm? No, you were wrong.
Vorlin2001-03-23 23:48:04
Locating items is one of the few abilities (IMO) that is just pure twinky. Remove this piece of DIKU cheese and return a small amount of skill to hunting.
Ozon2001-03-24 01:02:25
Rocking. I want more more more details. I gonna write client plugging, which parses all the output and converts into grafical map in other window on my screen. The pluggin also compares this with my detailed eletronical mume map and tell me room name, where pukes are. Sophisticated algorithm finds nearest trapping places and mark that ones, i have portal key to. This gives new dimension to my portal traps! BANZAI!
Juston2001-03-24 02:15:37
People grump about lack of good changes. Solution: Make a thoroughly bad change that adds nothing to gameplay but makes your screen fill up with spam from a spell that is commonly used. Hmmm....
Rogon2001-03-24 07:46:43
I play with 1600*1200 and a 6 pixel font. that map fit on half my screen, i dont see the problem!!!! get rid of your old 15" monitors and 320*256, its old and outdated!!!!!!!!!111111
Rûkan2001-03-24 08:45:30
nods looks just fine on a 40" monitor I bet!
Liliah2001-03-24 09:55:30
*nod* ozon :-)
Skojardu2001-03-24 12:19:46
Me who is getting older likes this - i getting blind so i need it BIG eehh baah i dont care cant locate anyway.
Jocke2001-03-24 14:05:06
Right on the spot Juston.
Actually the locate spell is one of the few things that makes solo hunting in
general, and hunting as a mage in particular, fun and actually worth it. It does
not only help you find a reasonable number of oponents to fight, it also helps
you to avoid those all so popular "huge" groups. It's not woth the mana cost
to use the locate spell to hunt ppl down, the mana cost would be to high. Instead
you use it to find out what zone/zones there is a possible oponent. Combined with
good area knowledge you can then use a regular track at strategic places to actually
find what you are looking for. However the new changes has now eliminated that use
of the spell. Instead you get a full 2 pages of unusable drivel. There is usually
2 types of BN-mages. The first type uses locate to hunt with, in order to find
something they can actually kill. The second type BN sits all day long in cave
or DT portaling large number of orcs and trolls around to diferent traps. Wich type
of BN do we want? Honnestly? I guess all mages that used locate will now start
using watch room and portal instead. Wonderful.More portal traps and less solo
hunting. Don't be supriced if you in the near future hear Macros narrate "Trolls
enter portal now!"
Prist2001-03-24 20:21:52
Would be cute if Macros would join the ranks of portaltrappingbns(tm)... at elast i wouldn't be so ashamed then when i've again portalled 10+ trolls on 3 pukes... :P
Herold2001-03-24 20:30:07
Jocke obviously hasn't seen a max aged mage in action
jocke2001-03-24 21:17:01
Jocke has a max aged mage. Sure you have enough mana to spam locate if you have
group members to kill for you, but not if you're gonna kill solo.
Moonshade2001-03-24 23:08:45
I agree with Joecke, old locate was one of the few spells that helped solo caster. Now it is quite useless. Sad.
Pampalini2001-03-25 13:23:43
Luagh Ozon, tho i believe Elestir has already done that plug-in.
Eothen2001-03-26 01:11:05
Well Jocke when you put it that way, yes, great, locate is fine. However, I usually see locate used to help a bigger/more powerful group find a solo player to whack. This locate map will mean you can't find someone halfway across arda with one spell, and I applaud this change. Too bad if you have to go to some trouble to figure it out now, I don't feel sorry for you.
Vorlin2001-03-26 09:27:45
*nod Eothen* That was the context I had in mind when I said it should be removed. I know where my tracks are, and can use strategy to help minimize the chance of being found by my tracks, but I can't do a damn thing about groups that spam around all of mume 5 times an hour spamming locates.
Raichu2001-03-26 09:33:24
I don't see the problem of locate maps.
I see the problem of spells not triggering wimpy in bashes and spelldamage being much huger then the past while armour and hps did not change. But that is too hard to change so we change different things =P
baphomet2001-03-26 19:19:26
lol
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