well staff isent useless to pukes so why not loot? staffs makes mages and clerics überpowerd!

I really dont mind those whoregroups use poison on me unless it is psylonia, or arachnia if i play non-bobber. But I just dont fight them, that is. Just mix antidote, quaff it, and then do #10 spit 1.*orc*. He will like it :-)

I agree with Lore that darkies whine about lame overkill all the time with consistent portal traps of X#, but if this was Torment and Samurai vs. Lore, I wouldn't really call it overkill. There is of course no chance for Lore to win in this fight, so maybe it was overkill =p I ran to noc yesterday and Azaril was already there. We chased Decoy solo from dt to slag and he got in. All of a sudden I come across tracks of another orc, and get stabbed and insta poisoned by Decoy. I ran 5 rooms, removed it, bob's cuz it was arachnia and tried to track down that orc again. Ran into two more orcs 'see' of crack who chased me (2 smiting warriors), then run into Rauko w of crack some, then Mishrak at tmt, then I hear narrate the Morla is dt'ish too. Me and Azaril meet at Eoghha, and 5 of those orcs charge us, where two are poisoning thieves. We said fuckit and ran in backdoor. I did raid the orc homelands so I should have expected retaliation, but 6 on 1 near crack was nasty when you throw poison into the mix =(

Why do you think a staff is useless for a darkie? Haven't you heard of pick upgrades???

forgot to mention the obvious. Mages aren't too overpowered when they have to keep removing poison every couple of ticks and have a major shortage of mana =(

I dont use pukes staffs for anyting. I just take it to ruin your day. Questions?

And I loot your linkdead corpse any given day a week.

Do you watch the popeye show?

Pick upgrades do what? 4% to your pickskill?

Alweon my dear, if i go to bree solo i get 6+ pukelegends and 10+ rangers in my ass any day a week... should i start to whine again? And you complain when 6 orcs show up if you're near noc... and what is wrong with poisoning thieves?? isn't poison thief skill? imho it's perfectly fine if scouts use it, if you're gonna whine about it then you might as well whine about bns using spells...

Pick upgrades do what? 4% to your pickskill?

But hmm Prist, since when did Torment and Samurai become thieves? I think I've missed that...

I wasn't commenting about Torment or Samurai, I just answered to Alweon when he said something about poisoning thieves....

Torment and I overkill every night. Two orcs in sun is overkill right? Come on now Lore.

I think the quote is "Danger, Will Robinson," not Warning...

*chuckle* and Ilmarin used to be.. what, no1 warlord?

I wasn't whining about the poisoning thieves, its what makes orc thief playable. And I admitted to the fact that I stormed orc homelands so I deserved what I got. The thing I was trying to get across was that you should just leave when you get charged by a bunch of poisoners since they are BRUTAL to deal with =)

Other point was expect retalliation when you attack someone on their own turf. If you are BN/orc/troll you shouldn't whine that 6 pukes try to defend the western armies, just like elves/hobbits/dwarves/men/halves shoudln't complain if they die to 6 orcs at slag pit. I can't even count the # of times I have died in the slag bottlenecks =p

Mammoth, was just something I read on Grays page. I have no M+, no M+ friends even so I don't know stats.
Personally I always run around with as many upgrades as possible, 5 right now. And yes, I used to be #1 warlord
when I had no rl.... Thats what makes a warlord, time to play, and a teeny weeny little bit of skill, but not much.

Actually it's 3%.

Lore, unfortunately almost no one plays fair nowadays (because gods don't encourage fair fights - it is war, not game, is it?) So join some group and store couple of ports... // Fredde! You think if you loot someone's staff he will be back in pk before he/she creates another? Or you just like to get all enemies away from pk for as much time as possible? Will you be happy if there would be NO players at all on other side??? Ok, Ibrahim is paranoid sadist and cretin - are you same? // Ilmarin: kinda outdated info :) More like 3% (tested with 0/2/5x upgraded picks with different levels of pick skill on Malardil castle doors) - i.e. almost completely useless.

Eh, at least post the whole log if you are going to cry about unfairness Lore. It was only Samurai and I, neither of us following each other. When I found and hit you you were spamming around on FOOT in the mountains. You got arachniad, I saw you remove then run back into up mossy trail. I guess right and find you again in BW area. You spam around down the most obviose route where I hit you 3 different times or so and kill you. Call me all the names you want, but you had a million chances to live and didn't. And why did I loot your staff? To make a charred out of it for next time you and your lifeless .ee buddies do a sanct/quake trap. There was NEVER 6 orcs chasing Lore, just Saumrai and I.

Lore's silly version above is also totally inaccurate. We never hit him near any giant, had no idea he even killed it (did he?). I first hit him on mossy trail. Also, why didn't Mr Lore teleport out first? He had plenty of time to do so. In fact, were many things he could have done, but instead of blaming himself for poor play, he blames me for overkilling? Get the feeling Mr Lore didn't get his nappy that night, so hewas a bit cwanky.

I vote this the log of the year. Incredible suspension. how will it end, how will it end. fast action, and lots of it! surprising twists, even a little love story thrown in for good measure. yes indeed, a fine piece of art, this one.

As far as a small % upgrade in pick skill being useless, I'd argue that it should be looked at from a different perspective: will this upgrade allow me to pick a door that I couldn't pick before? If so, then it's a nice upgrade and well worth getting.

I didn't keep the staff to get pick upgrades you ninnies, I got it to make a charred staff out of.

Nobody ever said there were 6 orcs. I said it was you and Samurai using poisons. You two entered the mob [giant] north of DT that loads HSB - as I was fighting it - or had just fled south from fireballing it. I was immediately poisoned. I didn't teleport because by the time I could get away from two hitters and remove poison, I was out of mana. It's funny how you try to twist this story - as you did the 'Shining Armour' thing. All I am saying is that darkies [myself included] whine about the lack of solo pukes. And when one comes around - and looks for solo fights - he can't find any. I retired Moonglum etc. for the same reason. MUME today is nothing but groups and "Oh my I don't want to die and lose my precious equipment.". Lore had a group of fellow 'pukes' run away and leave him to die moveless near the crack a day or two earlier [while trying to save amdir's eq] because they were 'low on mana'. Well that's a whole different story on wimpiness but you get the point. You called my style 'poor play'. I call yours wimpy. *shrug*

I fought you solo near DT. Though if any other darkies were near I would have had them help me kill you.

Azg = typical mume player of today. See ONE opponent, narrate for help.

I did not attack you at the giant Lore, first time I saw you was on Mossy Trail. What part of the story am I twisitng here? Maybe Samurai attacked you there, but I didn't. So I'm a wimp now cause I came out by myself in sun? There was a good minute period you had to rest in BW area for some mana to port AFTER you had rem'd. Neither Samurai or I are THAT fast of hunters you didn't have time to cast either. If you are so scared of a measly two orcs in sun, there are a whole bunch of zones west of Shire suited to your abilities!

Personally, i'll never loot a puke staff unless I plan to do something with it (like corrupt or if I really want picks). The more you try to be a prick and unencourage people from playing, the less they will play. Simple as that, if you don't want people to fight and enjoy roaming around arda finding nothing but mobs, do as you like. Otherwise try to make the game fun for others however you can, and hope mume gets top entry in the mud contest! :)

Think I made it clear I looted to corurpt it into a charred staff to keep for one of those sancted quaking traps the little kid ee's are so fond of.

Lore don't act like you know me, k? I only narrate for help if I see TRACKS of an opponent. You actually think I'd face a puke without at least group members? Yeah right.

wouldnt dying/frozen/exhausted be worse than awf/ice/faint?

I guess I play like nazgum does. I only take major eq and as darkie usually leave puke-staff behind. Last I knew charred staves were bugged and decayed almost immediately anyway. Hell, ages ago, Lore used to drop orc eq off at crack [before gods frowned on this] so they could fight again.

there are shitloads of overpowered pukecasters around, i dont mind if they stop playing pukes as i hide their staves in other rooms. Leaving legend eq or storing puke receipts is a war crime! If you dont like to make focus, leave it and fight darkie casters on same terms.

I, myself take the staff if I know someone who'd like to make use of it, or if I really dislike the puke, I take his staff, and watch some troll eat it. But honestly, Lore's what I'd call a good player, and I don't think he even has teleport. (Do you?) So the use of poisons kinda ruined the fight (since elves eat poison easily). And btw who exactly is Samurai?

so ostu is saying in so many words (SO MANY WORDS I TELL YOU, AND I KNOW WHAT HIS COMEBACK WILL BE!) that poison is only lame if it happens to him?

mind you what i said is not necessarily fair, it was basicaly putting words in his mouth, but thats the attitude to many people like torment have. they whine about peoples tactics then they turn around and use them and then deny it

Torment, you dont get it, you're not a wimp for coming out alone in the sun, you're not a wimp because samurai was online the same time as you were. You are a wimp because lore died, when a player dies, he often feels a need to whine, and what's better to whine at than how worthless the winner is? Sore losers grow on trees in mume.

Funny. Samurai comfirmed that both he and Torment charged me TOGETHER inside the giant's lair and that Torment used poison. Sure, poison is a usable skill and all but why lie about it? If you, Rogon, believe that some poor orc came out in sun to fight some high-powered elf you are wrong.

players like torment should be shot, overkilling is ruining mume, you just cant
have a fair and fun fight anymore

Not quite agree with you, mr. #IIIV. Overkillers at least gain something for their kills - wps, eq, and some fun prolly too, so I can understand them. Ones who should be shot are these ibrahims who play to ruin other players' life, and snotties who destroy good eq gaining nothing for it and like to convert MUME into expmud.

Wow.. amazing.. Nazgum makes a good and valid point, *claps* :)

Eh? who the fuck does NOT destroy good eq? ever seen a defiled shield returned to the other side who can use it? a black amulet? a white robe? of course such items are destroyed. as they should be. if these items were common junk, they'd be boring, like shining is now with balrog dying twice a day and every dwarf in the game has a couple of pieces, with people having 4-5 all with full shining etc, it's just not rare enough! destroy eq! burn corpses! especially grays! i wonder, explain, how does destroying eq make mume an expmud? no eq -> you xp? mmmmmmmmbop, now i'm off to see sweden play 0-0 against mongolia or mitsubishi or whatever it was.

I really dont like to agree with rogon about something but in this case i think i
have to.
About poison, yes i think its sad that some people cant play without poison.

Lore, I've refrained from saying it so far, but you are a fucking IDIOT. First time I saw you was on Mossy Trail. I never charged you at the stone giant, Samurai left DT before me so maybe he did, I don't know. No wonder you died like you did, you obviously had NO idea what the hell was happening to you, where you were, etc. And how the fuck is this this log an example of overkill? First off, it's not even a real log, just Lore whining. Second, 2 orcs versus one mage is not overkill. Is it an advantage for our side? Yes. Did Lore have many chances to live? Yes. Overkill is when you have no chance to win, flee, or do anything cause you died very quickly to a HUGE amount of enemies. If the sissies on Mume today can't even escape a measly 2 orcs, maybe Mume should be shut down for having such an embarassing player base.

Tony, I have played up until two days ago with it, and somehow was a warlord for much of that time! I started using it again cause if everynight I'm going to be forced to fight overpowered mages/clerics in groups of 4 with a maxprotect sancted buffer, using sleep, insane dispels, etc, I might as well be just as annoying back. If you can't deal with it, fuck off. Got no patience for you pillowbiters anymore.

Rogon again missed thread and thus failed to understand easy thing. Giving defiled to Erestor is ok, because you receive miruvor and maybe even circlet. Burning receipts and eating staves is not - because you gain nothing for it!!! except making other players unhappy. And 'converting MUME to expmud' was related to Snotty's 'i dont mind if they stop playing pukes as i hide their staves' - if you are so dumb to understand it yourself.

Who cant play without poison anyway? i've never seen a player who doesnt play without poison. not that i've seen all players of course, but quite many atleast!!!!! Anyhow, whats this fucking log about? a puke comes to dt and meets 2 orcs? WOW FUCKING FANTASTIC HOW FUCKING UNUSUAL! TWO WHOLE ORCS. WOW. SHIT! the impact this will have on gameplay in mume for future generations. 2 orcs at dt NONETHELESS. geez.

Wasn't it Lore grouping with Amdir, Lowyn, and another right before we killed him? That's a group of *4*. Doesn't Amdir use arachnia quite a bit? Wasn't that Lore who helped block in 2 midlevel exping orcs in cavebear/stonegiant area ABR with a group of 5 and ported out after we all came running to save em? So, Lore is allowed to group in big groups to pkill, and is has no problems at all grouping with poison users...he just gets mad when people do it to him. WAH! Now I wanna hear him cry about people using portal to trap to complete the hypocrisy.

Gray, i get 4k xp when i give a puke staff to the orc mage guild master. So i get something that's alot more useful than miruvor for it. Guess that settles it.

LOL - keep it coming people, loving it! I have many, many vivid images of you guys, red-faced, steam streaming from your ears, fingers tapping away furiously as you tell the next person to go fuck themselves! Hahahaha, god I love you all.... Ohh and cheer up Tony old boy, it'll all be ok in the end.