we need more of these logs =) hehe

New flee is gonna suck!

Norsu likes new flee because he can SPAM KILL people easier

New flee helps people with slow links while doing mobs, in, cast, pretype flee and be sure you flee out and dont flee back in and shit like that.

aaaaaah, refreshing log...mudsexxxx

yeah, will be dam hard to flee fast from groups now... that is the bad thing about it, more hugegroups... eventually, noone will go solo =p

If you categorize THAT as mudsex, dont even log when me and Katya got a good moment.

I would agree. More ! :)

Ekatarina?

HARDY BOYZ BABY!

*blink Kaldae*

*nod Rogon*

I fear even more hugegroups. Ok, I'll shut it, I haven't tried it out, but it sounds terrible.

No hit delay: even greater advantages to hugegroups over solo pkers. Then toss in a bad link, and once again the group is in the fleeing person's room before they even see which dir he fled.

dude, hugegrps may gain or not but soloexpers (warriors/scouts mostly) get nice chance to spamkill...also when duels warrior can hit 'n run nicely with lowdelayed weapons or gret ob

New Flee is slower then Christmas and Darren stop kissing up. Its a knee-jerk reaction to the perceived problem of flee triggers. Rather then address the issue directly management have side-stepped it by claiming that new flee is better for the slower linked. Er....no, this will merely encourage more grouping which this mud clearly does NOT need. Is this a case of the management getting an idea stuck into their collective consciousness and ploughing ahead regardless or is Manw just an ego maniac?

New flee gives a legal action on PANIC!... no use for #action {PANIC!} {flee}... only time you mobdie while shoot/fleeing etc is when you spam flee one time too much and flee back.. this won't happen anymore. I LOVE IT!

Hey hey.. err... something tells old flee was better... Am I whining again? :-)

this was like nothing compared to when they toook wps away. was like 241231257 lines of spam with NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This totally sucks troll ass! I meet 1 dwarf (out of group of 6 dwarves and 1 hobbit). He hits me, I insta flee. He bashes me after *1* flee attempt. Then after bash I luckily flee, at wounded from full hps and brand new armour. If there had been even 1 more puke hitting I would have ripped insta. It's amazing how Rogon claims this change will *help* solo players, but AS SOON AS THE CHANGE IS MADE he is leading a group of 6 dwarves, all spamkilling and proving that this new flee TOTALLY SCREWS all solo players. All this shit will do is make it even more powerful to travel in large groups....did the gods honestly think there was a problem with not enough of that already? Fuck this.

heh, yes i'm leading 5 dwarves and we're xping, got a problem with that? poor fella :p and this makes it possible to killflee a bigger group, something cant attack and flee at the same time made impossible.

I dont even remember hitting/bashing any orc, hmmmmmmmmmm are you sure it was me? heheahahahehehe. well, some never misses a chance to whine :) comf.

What if you flee into another room of mobs?

*Laugh*.. If you have to use flee triggers.. you're missing the point of the 'challenge'
of not dying. (Yes, I'm US Link.. ~350ms)

Bah.. Congrats Drenical.. now u don't need a #action

Aschit, what are you talking about? Delay has not gone anywhere, its still there. What's gone is "You cannot attack and flee blabla" which didnt affect hugegroups anyway. Is hugegroup going to hit/flee ya? I doubt it.

I haven't tested at all, or even logged on much lately. I was just asking someone to explain it to me so I don't have to learn the hard way! But by reading my previous comment I can see that I didn't phrase it the way I intended at all. I guess I misunderstood the explanation I was given. Anyway, it looks like I can't try it out in pk now anyway, since apparently the change has already been made, with no posted announcement of the possibility of testing. *clap* gods :P

Maybe you should fucking test it before you add your fucking whine to the pile? I dont see how this helps big groups *AT ALL* unless you fail a bunch of flees in a row, which you rarely do. this means no fleeing out then back in etc. geez, i dont think its possible to do a change here without starting some people's whines cause they ALWAYS whine about everything. they dont even try it out first, whining is just their first fucking instant reaction to anything.

And what the fuck do you mean you cant try it out in pk? just fucking log on and go pk and flee? You can't do that? or you think you're gonna instaspamdie to any darkie you meet now, because you dont have to spamflee anymore? christ. fucking pothead.

Rogon was ya exping old fornost aswell :) ??

Being able to spam open exit while fleeing sounds useful. Otherwise, mmm,
could someone tell me if the new fleeing system attempts a flee everytime
when before I'd get a PANIC message, more often, or less often, once every
round or so, or could give some other measure?

Can u just feel the nr of storeporters rise?

Nope we came fnost to kill you. Is 3 dwarves running old fnost to kill 3 orcs worse than 3 orcs going old fnost to kill lowbies? Hey, we were 6 dwarves in eregion and killed famine, HE has reason to whine, if anyone!

i love your smile Lia... oughh yeahhh...:P

Rogon, where the fuck did I whine here? If you would fucking think about people's comments when you read them it might help. If you read my last fuckin comment you would have seen that I specifically stated 'I don't want to learn it the hard way.' That means I'm not willing to risk my hard-earned eq by running into one of your spamgroups just to see if I can get away again. You criticize me for whining, but look at all your fucking posts! You would flame your own fucking mother if she posted here. What do you think is worse in life: someone who speaks out about perceived (sp) unfairness, or someone who is a total asshole every time he speaks?

Was last post by Aschit? don't look like it.

I don't see a problem with flee. The problem lies in the "You cannot attack and flee at the same time" and the "You approach $target" features. Remove them, and leave flee the way it was.

hmmm, you seem to know how this new flee works. I wanna know what the flee delay is based on, is it the same for everyone? is it stat depending? is it weapon speed depending or what??

Menegort, flee delay and success rate is dependant on 2nd attack skill and DEX. Same as before.
Not sure if it depends on what you wield.

The flee delay on dex seems a little dubious. with 12 dex and 15 dex the delay is exactly the same. Tho the 15 dex guy has a bigger chance to actually flee... And aschit, yes i flame people, mostly i flame people who whine at everything, like you! There's a big difference between a whiner and someone who flames whiners!

New flee rocks kinda more, i think only ones who will loose from it is
mages with low dex :) as they arent so power anymore. So if mage wants
to flee now he should get higher dex, i tried with my 16 dex trollie
and failed flees 1 time per 10 flees orso.

Rogon, I see that you have still failed to point out where I whined.

And it seems to boil down to this: if you fail 1 flee, the delay gives ample time to eat a bash. If you eat a bash against a large group, there is a very good chance you will die. Tell me again how this helps solo players?

The delay was short enough that I couldn't get bolt off on hobbit so what makes
you think a basher has a better chance of bashing? You're a thief. You have high dex
so you have little to worry about. You claim that you haven't tried out the new flee so
how can you keep claiming what will and won't happen? I pity all the bns that will have
to suffer your pierce flee, warrior smite flee and caster quick bolt flee :(.

I do play other classes, you know. And I have heard from others who tell me specifically that you get 1 flee attempt with average dex in the time it takes to land a bash. I do feel bad for the bns that have to deal with hit/flee again, but they have little to worry about pierce/flee on my link :P

Ahshit, the delay is SHORT, its not like you get only one flee attempt per battle round. and YOU DO NOT GET ONE FLEE ATTEMPT IN THE TIME TO LAND A BASH. fucking test the fucking thing, what idiots say that and did they try it? thats total bullshit, quit your fucking whining and come back when you actually tried it.

The flee should depend on dex and wil also.
You need dex for escaping fight and iron nerves to control yourself while retreating.
It would make fleeing more equal for all classes.
The most useful for BN casters who cant afford high dex if they want use other
normal caster stats (int, wis, wil) and for some warriors who prefer (str, con, wil to make nice offensive warrior).

After testing for 5 minutes hit+flee with someone spamming bash, fleeing with 10 dex, the fastest bash i ate was after 3 failed flee attempts. So aschit take your precious whines and stuff them up your ass and go try it out and come back with FACTS.

hehe ... depends on dex ? hmmm ... I have 20 dex and more than 1 time had 4-6 fails on flee ... each 3-4 try was 4-6 trys :( but i think what new flee 'll be good for linkless ppl who flees anyway ...
P.S btw ... I like Lia too :P

Rogon, try growing the fuck up? It's amazing how fast you jump on other people as soon as they say something you think is a whine. But in the very FEW times a change has been made that negatively affected your spamwarriors, you have cried like a little girl yourself (see wps change for example). You would 'whine' too if it seemed every change in the game made it more and more difficult to have fun while having your own playing style. The changes over the last year or so have been consistently favorable to large groups over solo players, so you have had no reason to whine.

And another thing, Rogon: if you truly hate whining as much as you say you do, why do you keep saying/doing things that you know will provoke responses from certain people? I recall specifically a time when you hunted Oscarmeyer with a group of 4, using 3 different kinds of poisons. And I find out later that you did it JUST to see if I would post a whinelog about it. Sounds to me like you *enjoy* seeing people whine.