how much dex you have?

*sigh* like this you have to have bigger group then the others to not die =p

How come we find them, fight them, you come and help some, manage to get kill, and run off with all loot, you dont even DARE SAY HE DIED because you're so desperate to take all the loot. geez. spirit of doreth(floi) for sure.

And you were bashed, you failed the wimpy flee, those other messages has NOTHING to do with it, they mean you're bashed and cant flee, you wouldnt have gotten any more than 1 flee attempt with old system either. so i see no effect at all from new system during the bash.

well how it will work with low dex mage but nice dodge with shield spell? is dodge important or pure dexterity skil hmmm.

Hmm I agree with Mato =P

pukes gets more sucessfull attemp at flee trigger? they get it when they born?
my first question is more important. jezus my language is terrible sorry

no shit mato, last part of log i cant try flee again cause im allready attempting to it. that has nothing to do with changes? yeah right

You have some #subs in your client or something? dont see the normal flee message in the end either. i gues P A N I C ! is it? :)

Mato can't you read the log? In the end he died cause of the stupid changes.

Yes, the flee attempts is too damn slow, i think all will agree with that... :)

I dont know, but what I have experienced with the new flee, it isnt great...it takes way to long for another flee attempt to go in, and well it really sucks for solo players. Especially when they fighting groups that are spamming bash. One failed flee and your bashed and probably dead. No more spam flee!

This flee system seems realy fucked from all logs i saw, i didn't even tryed it cause got no time/link to play but ... If they leave it like this i will stop to play all my caster chars and start to play only perma sanc fragir/max dex defence wars, all hugegrouping/overkilling only. Or i stop to play mume at all cause i will be always overkiled when i meet some 2+ darkies solo.

Mato, is this where is shows how new flee is better for solo players?

There was 4 orcs ahshit, i dont see how an argument about solo players is relevant in a 4vs5 fight.

you're kinda missin the point of aschits last comment, the fact that he was in a group with those others is irrelevant, he was *alone* when he was engaged with you.

you're kinda missin the point of aschits last comment, the fact that he was in a group with those others is irrelevant, he was *alone* when he was engaged with you.

damn refresh

You backstab *a Man*. ; * S HP:Fine *a Man*:Dying>

*comf* morhol, did I make you retire?

well nah raggs, not even sure if u killed me but i retired after my bugdeath, but now i back and waitin for u

fucking wanker. just died to you and your poison pals. heh. no pity
on a failed flee death. hope it happens again and again.

LAUGH! THIS IS THE MOST INSANE LOG IVE EVER SEEN! LAUGH! MUAHAHHAHAHAAA
EXCUSE ME WHILE I ROLE OVER AND DIE!

hmm it was at malardil? i was lowbie there *giggle*

This change is truely moronic, before i could buff to awful and then start fleeing, but now i have to start at low wounded to get away in time!
Also it has decreased the need of skill for killing and increased the importance of luck(I bet breelegends like it).
Damn, even slowlinked people could flee faster manually before than they do after the changes.
I say, keep the new system for slowlinked/clueless people, but also make it so that if you type flee several times, you will try to flee every time, as it was before, that way shit like this wouldn't happen any more.

I just had an odd thought, that fleeing is becoming more like swimming:
if encumberance
matters - would it help to drop all when you Really Want to Flee?
Anyhow, tried to solo Amon some yesterday: best case - you flee the very moment
you type flee in which case it is insta. 2nd and 3d fleerounds you're (me)
getting fragged
badly - I thought that according to news post taking a lot of damange
would make it -more- likely for me to flee, but I really couldn't tell.
Had a touchy moment there or two, but now I got a better feel for the system
(which doesn't exactly "suck" but is definitely dubious in places).
Frankly, I'd like to be able to modulate fleeing myself - like spellcasting
is done. Quick fleeing where you use more mps and maybe have lower bonuses
from trying so hard and turning your back on the enemy, but you're more
likely to flee, or slow fleeing, where you don't lose bonuses, but are less
likely to succed.

People with fast links will whine. Its about time they get the shaft.

This flee is kidna nice. Theo nly thing needs changed is the time a fleeround takes. And better fleing when autowimpy hits, i failed 8 flees when olog bashed me sodmat when i had high autowimpy set. U fail all flees from autowimpy if u failed first autowimpy flee=P

*nod* IMHO it should be exponentially more likely for you to succeed fleeing
if you've been trying for a while. Anybody out there with well-praced attack
who'd like to pipe in?

Hehe ... as soon as this change was imped I quit playing ALL my puke/darkie legends and made a piercing/maxattack warrior to putz around with. I seem to flee NICELY. Got attacked at level 10 by 3 uruks on abr and I instafled from them and never saw them again. I of course have HIGH dex and wear no metal - hate to think of the gore and mess if I fail a flee to darkies though.

Oh, and I refuse to play any character of worth until this sucky flee-system if fixed up. *shrug*

Actually i dont think those other flees are flee attempts, during bash it says some shit about you cant flee etc, thats not wimpy triggering, thats when you would NORMALLY try to flee, if you werent bashed. before this change, you also only got one flee attempt if you were bashed. now you get the same attempt. if you fail, you're spammed with that message when you would try to flee unbashed.. you dig what i'm saying? :)

I think Manwe is gonna start playing puke again so he fucked up the flee only on the darkie side :)

I think i am gonna go all db shit and no metal, have some 185-190 defense+I CAN FLEE!!!

Since help flee doesnt say what you carry has any effect on flee chances, i dont see why you feel a need to start up various rumours in line with that dex affects bash speed...yawn

now you know how it fucking feels to play on a slow link. i say eliminate all spam shit link-dependent playing. It is not skill to spam, skill is knowing how to adjust to new changes... as always. It is moronic to link (pun) skill to link speed actions. Should slow the whole game down.

Rogon, read the flee newspost. Help files are way outdated anyhow on more then flee.

We will see more and more and more huger and huger groups untill we one day have V+ who play the game again..

dex is very important now. my dex8 orc got hit by a small patrol in moria on high wounded and i went awful why just sitting there and watch slowass (5failed)fleeattempts on screen. new flee system rocks for 1 on 1 fights. but new flee system makes groups even more powerful. the argument that this will make up for slower links is nuts cause a fastlinked player is nuts cause you can spam after fleing americans without hitdelay and your caster can quicknuke them while they got the noflee. (of course its easier to kill fastlinked players now which is good, but i think this will be something in the style of the "running function" some old players talked to me about :P)

I really don't understand how hard this problem is to solve. Basically they implemented a flee trigger that is slow while also allowing for zero postflee hitdelay. Why not put flee back the way it was, allow for immediate postflee hits, and allow the panic trigger? It would definitely allow better results.

Nod Alweon...
This feels like some HAL9000 version of old MUME that is trying to do the fleeing for ya. I happen to like the old non-hit delay and the ability to control my own fate.. even if it takes 2-3 flee attempts. The only thing I see here that benefits people is the 'ole double flee back into room to get hit. Well there's a cure for that.. pay attention and don't panic during a fight. *shrug* Lobster

Hehe good another reason why i should stay in my retirment home.

Better results for superlinked freaks, maybe. It's amusing to see people whineing
over something that many of us have had to live with for years. If you have any skill
at all you can show us that you can live with the new changes and still do as well
as you did before. If you can't, then I guess it just means your link is better
than you are and it deserves a warlord place more than you do.

I agree with Fragir - new flee system sucks, for mage with lower dex is very high possibility to get spammed to death by huge groups cos lotsa flee attepmts fails.

Atlast one disadvantage for all overpowered puke mages! Muahhahhahha

New FLEE system rocks.. 1 it makes it possible to kill some1
in an open area without him #10 flee and hes safe
2. maybe now that you can kill some1 with just 1 warrior and a caster, or even
just 1 warrior hit/flee =) the huge groups will get smaller but its allso a huge advantage for the hugegroups to hit some1 who cannot flee :p

This was all Nazgums idea a while back ago, wasn't it??????

well is possible to get full reroll to change dex?!!!!!! btw Bn mages are fucked now. nightchill i dont suggest u charge at shady or tharbad s gate. and btw low dex give you extra db with shield spell, so now what all mages shoudl dowith their sucky 9-10 dex? i afraid think about bn thieves, they are just dead now. 1 flee round for bn =2 bolts from puke mage, so 2 round = dead hmm

Nah, I mobdied coz of that new flee-thingie.. just fled there and back again between the rangers.. couldn't get away!

I don't charge shady anyway. I've done it before and it was suicide for me
then as well. Having said that, the new flee did nearly kill me yesterday in tbad.
Wimpy kicked in and I was fleeing so freaking fast I couldn't work out where I was in all the spam :/.

Well first of all.. you don't hear people complaining about 1v1 fights now! The
flee works just fine you dork. The #10 flee is a ridiculous statement..any (P)
that does that will die simply due to exhaustion./////
One more thing, when writing supportive statements about one position, it's generally
better to not 'also' write supportive statements about the 'other' position.
Your comment about how this will reduce huge groups and then turning around to say
it's a huge benefit 'for hugegroups' shows you really haven't thought this through
yet....