and yeah, TO orcs, You whine that noone wants to fight you, you think that's strange? You whine that pukes only hugegroup and overkills, is that strange?
First you whine that you don't get fair fights etc, then you are not even trying to fight fair.

We just did lord and were going to do necro ;P

I don't think the point of the log is about your group Sharmak, It's more about how flee is fucked up, If I'm not wrong that is =)

UUUUUUU....ur whine is music to my ears,yes,please make more of those whine comments!yeah.

Ofcourse You have nothing to worry about Naksur, because you never go solo.

why go solo when no-one goes solo?

I go solo, but then again...I get overkilled. Hmmm why do I go solo?

tsejov cuz solo playing is fun? and fuck this whine about the new flee system its just another excuse for you when you die. you really sure you should have survived without the new flee system? in a while everyone will get used to this and noone complains. and why should manwe ask the players what they want to do with his mud?

I don't get it. How is this death a result of the new flee changes? Is everyone going to post every one of their deaths here and blame it on the new flee changes?

This has nothing to do with new flee just has to do cause u suck!

well, ppl are hiding their sucky skills behind all changes, link and shit:P

Ok, I'll put some fact here, my labbie, khazdul, just died x2 because of the "improved" flee. If you meet 5+ hitters you will die even how hard you try to get out, You fail some flees(you always do) eat 4-8 hits, flee, they come in in room again, same thing, if you escape it's pure luck. I think this is very fucked up. Or the change itself is good, boring that ppl like Sharmak is abusing it leading around 5 smiters.

Hehe ... all of my legends are 'in hiding' until flee if fixed. *wink*

even three warriors can whacka someone... otherwise i'd get out at open field but now with flee (and with this new lag) i died...(was lowmoves tho).

store port?

its funny that all the people complaining are .ee and .se and .cz. About time the american links are made a little more equal.

Okay boys, understand: I have a shite link. So far, I've seen the message - you're already trying to flee! - ONCE, cus that's how fast my link is despite spam fleeing still (I'm not clever with this). And, in fairness to Manwe, he opened testmume many times and ALTERED the flee timings when folks complained. BTW, you dying isn't so much to do with flee as to do with being totally overpowered - if I was there, I'd've lagged and died anyway, in fact, the new flee would've helped...

Well...To me the new flee code isnt the least difference either in terms of speed.
I mean, if ppl complain about THIS...what must their flee speed been before????
And on the plus side is, that you can care about other things while game flees
for you. And all of my oponents so far could still instaflee.

What it all breaks down to is this: The super-linked players of the game, before had the chance to spam flee and get away. Now the flee isnt dependant on link any more, instead its more dependant on game stats etc. The bad-linked players dont really mind, because nothing has changed, while the super-linked players will probably die many times because there link is no longer there to save them.

Maybe while you're at it make mume 6 times slower too, so it's more about thinking and even less about link! Now that sure would rock? Fact is that it IS much harder to get away from spamgroups now, but it's also harder to get away from solo players like this. Means people will die more. Maybe that isn't the worst thing after all? I've died myself to new flee a couple of times (not to moria mobs btw *wink*), but i'd guess so will other people. When it's once again possible to die in the open field maybe this reduces trapping? Les see for a few weeks before whining more.

Well that shit about making flees auto helps the slowlinked is bullshit.
Sure if u get out 1.round u might live. But if u already slowlinked the superlinked spam hits
u in next room and so on.

Uh everyone whines now that they die to fleesystem when they haven't learned to adjust yet.

U wanna know why i am leading a group of 6? Cos every time u go w, and u are less then 6 in group pukes come as 8 or more! So if i go in group of 6 they all wimp out! I usually go west as group of 2-3 and run back e to get more ppl when i am beaten up, so screw yer self! And Mestan, the way i see it was Khazdul own fault he reripped! I just stood in 1 room and he fleed n and stped s and fleed n and so on.

I agree with Sharmak and Wryak here.

Its not only Pukegroups, you can't do SERIOUS shit out west cuz of rangers. Add more of em, and the groups will still get bigger. Easy to figure

the A+ wouldn't know whats its like too play fulltime Mortal, so fuck them.
Any more fucked changes then I say just dont play, lets go on strike.

At least Elistan has finally got the point :).

tsejov, 2 wrongs dont make a right. if you think many people do a wrong, why do it yerself? i ate almost the same thing at priest yesterday to olorion and 5 (i think) but i guess it is a part of the game=P

Heh, i personally like the new changes ... I really havn't seen any
difference in the way I play, plus now I know that at some point, I will
eventually flee, so this reduces the chance of me doing multiple flee command
and rocking :> plus I can put my flee command in and start spamming directions

Kill Thrill Kill Thrill

Anyone figured out why he edited the log? All agree that it was to make the new flee system look worse and he a better player?

Dear Unknown (who don't dare to show is name because he is a big looser RL), I edited the log because I use no log file and had to copy/paste from my scrollback. Now why should I do more work than necessary and copy when I like 1 or 2 rooms or cure from bad to hurt if I don't have to?

I see no reason to use my name Elhenir. I don't whine at you and i don't complain, and i can assure you that I am not a looser RL. But i WOULD like to point out that editing a log the way you have done makes it impossible to decide on whether or not you have a point. For instance the following part:

* W HP:Hurt Mana:Hot *Naksur the Orc*:Fine>
*Sharmak the Orc* closes the slab.

* W HP:Hurt Mana:Hot *Naksur the Orc*:Fine>e
flee
No way! You are fighting for your life!

* W HP:Hurt Mana:Hot *Naksur the Orc*:Fine>*a dreadful Orc* has arrived from the south.
*Sharmak the Orc* has arrived from the south.
A hungry warg has arrived from the south.
*Naksur the Orc* has arrived from the south.

You must have managed to flee somewhere there since you were no longer fighting Naksur. Now why was that part edited out? A similar thing happened lower in the log. If you REALLY mean that the new flee system sucks, the only way you can show that is KEEPING the flees in the log

Hmm. I like the new flee, because it makes it possible for hugegroups to kill without poison. It'll just take a little skill on their part. With my slow american link, I like know I'll get a flee... without spamfleeing and fleeing back into whatever I was fighting and dying horribly (as I have seen happen a few times).

Yup, thats quite an advantage for those of us on slow link's isengar..you know
that sooner or later, you'll get that flee in and you wont accidentally flee more than once back into the same room and eat bash which someone already started on you before you fled out of the room and then back into...only sucky part is that the delay on the flee might be a tad slow in pk, but besides that, its great..and as far as smob's go, you shouldn't be able to solo a scaley beast etc...u need a large party to fight it.

Kudo's for gods on this one, for Once, I think you helped out the Troll Race

Kill Thrill Kill Thrill

If you flee out the bash attempt is canceled though.