More Flee Whine ...
posted by Mulgrim
2001-07-18 08:53:59
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Ok, new flee so I make a piercing, maxattack, 19 dex human warthief and this is
Players in your zone
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Clara                - Clara's Bedchamber
Mulgrim              - Inside the North Gate of Tharbad

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning>
*a Man* has arrived from the south riding a pack horse.
The sun rises in the east.
A pack horse bleeds from open wounds.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning>
*a Man* tries to slash you, but your parry is successful.

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>s
No way! 
You are fighting for your life!

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>
*a Man* begins some strange incantations...

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>flee
PANIC! 
You can't quit the fight!

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>
PANIC! 
You can't quit the fight!

* C HP:Fine Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>
*a Man* utters the words 'diesilla barh'
*a Man* sends a powerful lightning bolt at you, you stagger from the impact.
That really HURT!

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>
You flee head over heels.
PANIC! 
You couldn't escape!

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>
*a Man* begins some strange incantations...

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>
You flee head over heels.
PANIC! 
You couldn't escape!

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>
You flee head over heels.
PANIC! 
You couldn't escape!

* C HP:Hurt Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>
*a Man* utters the word 'yufzbarr'
*a Man*'s fireball completely envelops you, causing infernal pain.
You are mortally wounded and will die soon if not aided.

* C HP:Dying Mana:Burning *a Man*:Healthy>

You are dead! Sorry...
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Unknown2001-07-18 08:57:07
NEW FLEE BLOWS; VOTE ON THAT
Devastator2001-07-18 09:39:50
Suck =(
Devastator2001-07-18 09:40:18
New flee is ok, FLEEROUNDS too slow. We should get change flee quickly etc option as i mentioned earlier, posted idea but of course it wont be used.
Mulgrim2001-07-18 09:43:07
Character with 19 dex and 85% attack should not fail flees like that - even if there is only one exit.
Devastator2001-07-18 09:55:56
I agree Mulgrim, this is bullshit=(
Unknown2001-07-18 10:17:58
its the infamous north gate of tharbad flee, you always fail 91842 flees there, try it as a legend bn mage next time...
Elmo2001-07-18 10:22:50
i told you this new flee system fucking sucks, but according to manwe only me and one other person dint like it so i guess he went ahead with it anwyays, you fail one fucking flee whichs is in ok speed, then after that it's way to long in btw attempts.
Wryak2001-07-18 10:56:50
Devastator, go play BN some and u see it's not totally ok :) Clara landed 2 quickbolts on me while I tried to flee in a 4 exit room.
Clara2001-07-18 11:05:34
Wow, i landed 2 quickbolts on an Ainur? cool... ;)
Sharmak2001-07-18 11:39:27
Post these logs to gods maybe? i am too pissed to play kinda!
Galadon2001-07-18 12:35:18
You know how the stomach aches after eating an apple if you haven't eaten one for some time? This is how my stomach is right now - not at all because of the flee-system, it's more because I just ate an apple...
Gonfor2001-07-18 13:05:47
If you used a panic trigger before, the new flee probably sucks. If you had a 30ms or faster link before, the new flee probably sucks. Keep in mind, however, that panic triggers were illegal and that link speed should not be the single factor in determining success in MUME. The new change was made to stop cheating and due to one god's well-thought out post on changing the flee system. This wasn't simply Manwe changing the whole system on a whim. This was done because gods who actually play asked for the system to be changed. Learn to live with the change and the knowledge that your link can't always save you. Once you come to terms with these facts, you'll probably enjoy the changes.
Wryak2001-07-18 13:15:39
Nods Clara, you should stop soloraiding Valinor :/

Wryak, AKA Rùkan, the BN in this log
Wryak2001-07-18 13:16:53
Keep in mind Gonfor that previously you could spamflee and thus get your queued flees through without delay after you started fleeing whether you had slow or fast link.
Unknown2001-07-18 13:29:07
I think we should change each round in mume to like 3 min so you always have time to think out the best solution for your next move. Hmm, or maybe we should make it turnbased?
Evan2001-07-18 13:35:35
Gonfor said is only effect those with 30 ms link or better. Try more like 300 ms
I have 300 ms at times and this new flee is still worse than old flee system.
Or those who used actions yet another downer. Sure i died my times cause i fleed
back and looking at grisheldas log it doesnt prevet fleeing back. But i rather
die to my own faults than some bad game mechanics

Evan2001-07-18 13:37:51
I dont use actions i witch might be misread. I mean its a downer that we have
to suffer cause gods wanna remove something that only 20% uses. Sure punish
them when they use it in pk. I never seen the reason to turn into a robot char.
Only actions i had was drink/eat/dism/lead/ride
Unknown2001-07-18 14:05:22
new flee is at 500ms intervals, 250 with attack. Is your link worse than 500ms Gonfor?
To Unknown2001-07-18 14:28:43
Isn't 250ms the speed of old prespammed flee? 500ms would be ok for flee-interval, but I am afraid its more like 1000ms with nice DEX. In else words, by average flee is 4-5x slower than it used to be, and thats with nice DEX.
Gonfor2001-07-18 14:38:51
To Wryak: yeah, I could spam flee...and most often fled back into the thing I was trying to escape. With my link, I ended up dead more often than not when trying to spam flee. When I press flee now, I at least know I won't end up back where I came from (unless it's my own stupid mistake). To Evan and Unknowns: my best link at home (where I most often play) is 350ms and averages 450-500ms. Most of last week, my link clocked in at around 750ms. And I guarantee that my link is the average American link. The new flee is much easier to use than the old one and doesn't fail with any more often than the old one.
Aschit2001-07-18 14:42:08
Now that I've had time to try it out a little, I like the theory behind new flee. However, I'm not sure about the flee intervals either :P (And Wryak, your comment about spammed flees on a bad link is wrong....sure they go through, but usually when you are already in Mandos/Halls/Hidden Island
Granvil2001-07-18 15:52:44
Well I reckon flee intervals are too short too.. and the code that works out successive flees is strange, my guess is, it isn't just a straight forward % thing on successive flees. My bn scout either flees first time or fails lots of flees. No happy medium. I might be wrong though.
Wryak2001-07-18 15:58:01
Yeah Gonfor, but what if you're in a 1exit room, or want to avoid getting hit by a spell? Now you can hit someone and instacast and the spell is quite likely to hit your average bn.

chan mood be4 U2001-07-18 17:17:21
Ethar2001-07-18 18:17:09
things were fine the way they were. this new flee sucks
Vridush2001-07-18 18:37:44
I love it, all these max cleric/mages with low dex eats bashes and dies!!
Mulgrim2001-07-18 18:48:06
maybe character level should be included in the flee calculation. Imagine some obviously, powerful mage chasing a thief who is just getting underway in his career. I see the thief scrambling over streetcarts, crawling under things, pretty much doing whatever it takes to get away because he is in fear for his life. That's how I left when I saw 'someone' chasing me on a horse. I fucking RAN to north gate thinking I might get some type of protection there. I of course being level 15 had NO intention of fighting this unseen terror that was hunting me down. The BN simply hits me once and I am 'flee-trapped' [hehe new term I just coined - FleeTrap] and insta die. No fun.
Unknown2001-07-18 19:18:12
whine whine whine whine whine whine shut up and deal with it
Dax2001-07-18 20:11:06
Yyeah.. fucking unknown pussy fuck ass, cant even fucking use your real name. .
BITCH.
but I would like to say the same thing.
Im quote a good friend of mine.
"whine whine whine whine whine whine shut up and deal with it"
to ethar2001-07-18 20:52:33
if things were fine the way they were why were people cheating?
Olo2001-07-19 04:16:24
maybe you shouldnt make a piece of shit maxattack warthief, shyuh
Steele2001-07-19 06:36:12
Dax, grow up ok? Stop trying to be someone you're not.
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