Not that I admire what they did, but I don't see what's cowardly about giving your life for a cause, no matter how demented. It's certainly braver than leaving an anonymous posting like this one.

ROFL , ignorant fuk americans i only hope this is some ironic picture not some actual dumb ass

the most ironic thing is that an unknown commented on the cowardness of anonymous posting.

OK there are few posts OffT or OnT I would consider downright disgusting, but
this is one of them. Ack :(

You Euro-trash better get on the bandwagon or we Yanks gonna pull the plug on your parasitic asses ya bunch of ungrateful deadbeats.

to the bone

If I'm not misstaken there wouldn't be a modern USA if the europians hadn't colonized? so who the fuck should be grateful?

You payed for your crimes a bit already, and will pay for all other later ...

Please do not feed the trolls. Thank you!

Prove it first! Then talk! Merely bullshit is useless crap!Do you believe its Laden did it?Have you ever though it might be your own intelligents provoked it?

Its lame to see a country who says himself to have the 'flag of freedom', bombing one of the most poor countrys in the world to satiate some bloodtristhy people who only thinks in revenge and not in the reasons of why this happened.

grow up will ya

Btw I'm gay!

There's nothing braver than taking the lives of tens of thousands of civilians with you! Oh yeah! That's for sure!

GROUP ME!!!

are you europeans that are talking shit fucking retarded? you're telling
me that if some terrorists killed 40,000 innocent people, you would
not seek vengeance? you would not retaliate? i can guarantee you your
country would do SOMETHING, as will ours. also, American intelligence
says that it is almost certain that bin laden did it, and even if he
did not, he is still the #1 most wanted terrorist in the united states.
to the guy that said it was provoked, what can provoke the murder of
40,000 people? nothing. cagim: yes, we did originate from your blood,
but america has evolved into it's on civilization with its own
culture, and has very little left of pure european heritage.

So u are justificing the acts of the terrorist?, i mean... u say u are able the kill terrorist and people who support them in revenge for theirs kills... so in that case they can do the same, so USA is responsable directly or indirectly of tons of innocent victims (make sure more than 100k).
Oh shit, stop that, no more deaths.

Then What the FUCK provocates USA to kill a MUCH larger ammount of people equally as innocent as americans... if not more... The people of the countries which usa bombs dont have the same rights as americans. if they somehow complain on their goverment, they will most likely get killed.... anyhow, they dont have anything to do with what their idiot leaders do

Damn keyboard. Just wanted to say that nice pic :) And comf :(

To Americans:
Fight your battles in your country not always in others. The last battle in your terrerory was ind. war!
Like 130 years ago!

Think and learn.

American intelligence? Those who also should block such acts? Cut the crap

If we(Americans) fight a battle against terrorism we will not target innocent
civilians. Bin Laden has stated that all Americans need to be killed and has
in the past incited fanatics into suicide bombing etc. What idiot wouldnt want
a person like this brought to justice? I am sorry, but Hate and Edvard you are
wrong. If we dont kill them, they will still kill us, if we do kill them, maybe,
just maybe we will slow them down.

juston and korf. pls explain the diff between war and terrorism.. you have such an fucking double moral. you say that its so fucking cowardly to kill civilians as they did in wtc. but then you say that "well of course we should bomb afgahnistan, and of course some civilians will die but thats war, blablabla" pls try to get more narrowminded.

Perhaps there is no difference Fredde and it is all simply about self-preservation. On a personal note, your boring tirades remind me of ever middle-class, navel-gazing socialist who bitched about the US back in University in Dublin but then had to get home in time for tea. Obliterating the Afghanis, however, will do nothing to prolong this nightmare. Its time for some 'real politik' and a concerted effort at a diplomatic solution followed by significant covert operartions. A huge response will simply play into Bin Laden et als hands. America could seize this opportunity to step up its world leadership and isolate these lunatics in the process. This is no time for knee-jerk reactions.

Lochdale, if all think like you, then theres nothing more to talk about.

We are Americans. Our heritage is strong. We are the best of all nations. We are the strong, the proud and the adventurers come together to fashion a nation founded on a commitment to freedom, justice and individual rights. We have borne our ills alone, but reach out to help the world wherever trouble strikes. Don't mistake our compassion for weakness, our humanity for stupidity or our temperance for cowardice. We've done our best as a world leader and an international neighbor and our best was damn good. The American response to the WTC will be calculated, effective and decisive. The benefit will accrue not just to the United States, but to the world. We'll be criticized for whatever we do because there will alway be intellectual poofs who are too afraid of their own shadows to stand up for what's right and rationalize away the danger of inaction and complacency. We'll do what's necessary. We'll do what's right. If you don't like that---go to hell.

Whoever wrote as 'Lady Liberty' is hypocratic as hell - talking about cowardice and not showing his/her name. Anyways, since most americans think like this theres actually nothing to talk about for us, europeans. Go to hell too LL. I'm off---

Well Daggwood, how come does usa always target civilians while fighting bad people... how many innocent people from iraq have not died, while Saddam himself lies in his sofa, drinking booz and fucking whores?

why would it be any different in this case? if usa finds out who did it, they will bomb all over.... just like they did when they found out bin laden was behind the ambassad-bombings... they bombed places where they THOUGht that bin-laden COULD be... killing ppl dude

Gilenhel: Other then a glib comment you have offered nothing, other then a confirmation that you read nothing of what I wrote. How can America avoid civillian casualties? Why does it have to fight under these constraints? If there is a war then the moral barometer is limited. The terrorist do not fight under such constraints nor did the Nazis or indeed the Allies. This line of argument is moot if this situation boils down to a fight for survival. My point all along has not been the "save the children" rhetoric or "nuke the children" either. I believe that a surgical response coupled with profound diplomatic efforts (some give and take) will have a much more long term devastating affect then carpet bombing Kabul. Additionally, the Edvards, Rogon's and Freddes of the world have given the terrorist a moral equivelency that the simply do not warrant. Indeed, America must be asked serious questions and it too must be kept in line but at least there is the ability to criticize and opine and therein lies the crucial difference between the various actors involved in this nightmare. Once again, a weakened America is VERY bad for Europe, when it gets a cold, Europe will get the flu.

jesus lochdale, could you take that in animal? i bet it would be easier to understand...

Come again please? If you try look like professor, you're barking under wrong tree. I DON'T want to offer anything and since you have proven to be too strange to argue with, I'm outa this discussion.

There are over 300 million Americans who would happily put their name to Lady Liberty's remarks. Your name is not Khulnud and posting here is not a test of bravery, so I don't care who you are. I only pity you and all the mock-intellectuals who stick their heads up their asses hoping the brutal reality of the world will somehow go away or solve itself peacefully. AND, btw---the U.S. did not engage in random mass bombing trying to get bin Laden. There was a strike against a place where he was KNOWN to be and he escaped--- maybe through luck or possibly by some forewarning. The consequence of harbourng a terrorist someplace is that you could get attacked. And you should be. If any innocent person was harmed, bin Laden is responsible for compromising their safety by hiding behind them. Maybe if there HAD been mass bombings at that time, the WTC and many other acts of terrorism could have been avoided. At some point, bin Laden will become too much of a liability. At this point, the leadership in Afghanistan has decided that keeping its little terroristist pals safe and snuggly is more important than protecting its citizens by turning them over to the U.S., NATO, the U.N. or other international agency to be judged.

well you know that the missile just missed its target with 35 km. but then again its not even worth trying to speak to a country that has deathpenaltys

Ofcourse here I'm just KHULNUD, but in real life I'm Eerik, 25 years old, single, and working in radio. You are probably 17 years (max)old dumbass who thinks eveyone besides U.S. in the world suck. Hearing these news read every day next to my desk I am already sick of these tragedies. So fucking back off with YOUR mock-wisearse bullshit. You are not onlyone having tragedies. Face it.

This is an Attack on freedom and Democracy its self! (Dont think about the fact that I have less than half the votes behind me.)
This is a monumental struggle of good versus evil! (dont think about the many thousand people who are killed in the middle eastafrica and south america by american weapons every day, or that it may really be evil vs. evil)
And Make no mistake about it: good will prevail! (dont think about how that would happen: aliens came to earth and obliterated all civilizations except the tibetan? not bloody likely but hey! this is America land of the brave home of the free!)

Gilenhel you never displayed the wit of breath of knowledge to have been considered to be in the discussion. Perhaps if we had the ability to use paragraghs etc. it might be easier to comment etc. As an aside, the French and Russians sell more arms worldwide then the Americans do. It has been that way for over 12 years now. Just a thought.

Um, i think these Americans should look a little further than the end of their ego's... Europe has had it's fair share of war/terrorism over the past two decades. As a British citizen, do I shoot every Catholic Irishman I meet? When America interferes with Cuba, Vietnam, etc and other covert activities they deem to be in national interest... terrorism is not morally correct whether by one man or approved by a government. Guess it just stings when you get a taste of your own medicine. Europe is not the 53rd state of America guys and don't forget you were late for ww2.

Ack! Sorry, had to respond to Conscientious Objector: No you may not try and shoot every Irish Catholic that you see (I am both) but your government gave it a try: Bloody Sunday, Shoot-to-Kill policy (Stalker report) and that little disastor we called the UDR. That said, at least there is accountability in Britain and the ability to criticize and attack the government...all solely missing amongst the terrorists.

Yes, we were late for WWII, but would you rather we had not come at all? And I can think of no time that the US intentionally has targetted civilians. Yes, the US has killed civilians. But when you hide a chemical weapons plant, capable of producing toxins to kill thousands, in a residential neighborhood, is it better not to destroy the plant simply because we could say we were morally stronger as we look over the graves of our own innocents? I think not. Sometimes (unfortunately, as I belong to the 'Can't we all get along?' school of thought) the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. BTW, does anyone else here find it ironic that a gaggle of anonymous children who sit at their computers all night finding new and ingenious ways to PRETEND TO KILL THEIR ENEMIES HERE are pretending they are against all violence?

HERE=Mume, a game based on killing hordes of innocent forest creatures (most without even the excuse of needing food) and where all your enemies are clearly labelled as *Good* and *Evil*. Anyone over level 1 on this game has no right to argue on the side of peace, as they clearly do not live it in their lives. Maybe if we all got off our goddamn computers that shelter us from the real world, and spend some time in homeless shelters, counseling the downtrodden, or volunteering in hospitals, we would have a right to complain about violence?

We weren't late for WW2 because we didn't have to come at all. We came when it became obvious that Germany had the upper hand and you blokes in Europe lacked the ass to stand up for yourselves. The U.S. has never engaged in terrorism. Period. America HAS been involved in world affairs, sometimes militarily and frequently with great reluctance. The U.S. has NEVER wanted to police the world. No matter what position the U.S. takes on world events, somebody will think it is wrong. Someone will believe themselves aggrieved by it. If the U.S. doesn't act --- it is condoning human rights violations; if the U.S. takes a stand -- it's imperialism. Try getting along without us. If the attitudes expressed here are typical of the European attitude, you will end up without a choice in the matter because we'll forget about you long before we forget your treachery and ingratitude.

Well said Aschit!! I mean the part about not killing the little forest animals which is me an most of my family (except cousin Hoppity who is a prisoner of war being held hostage by a little girl living near bree). It's okay if you kill snakes, wolves and owls, though, cause they try to eat me all the time. Feel free to go nuclear on their asses, cause I pretty much kinda hate them A LOT!! Thank you. P.S. It would also be nice if you could, like, leave lettuce out for us to eat sometimes. I get kinda tired of eating grass all the time and a nice hunka lettuce would really hit the spot. Cabbage is good too.

It's a pity this was even posted, nice nuke picture, but the Afghan's people don't deserve that. Actually being from the USA and Texas, I believe the perpetrators of this heinous act deserves life in prison. Albeit a long heathy life alone and in the dark, death and martyrdom are too good for these type of people. You people say we have earned this or that we are gettinng things back in spades are truly warped. I'm glad people hate Americans. It shows that what we do matters to the world. I wish we another country could somehow lead, but I don't see them stepping up to the plate to take a swing. I wondered for a long time why I actually voted for Bush, I thought "What a loser, this guy is such reactionary jerk." I see now why. Americans love America. We make mistakes, but we at least we try to do the right thing. BTW, this whole thing starts with the founding of Israel in 1948, and will never be solved until the Palestinians have a home. If you can think really hard. If Israel wasn't founded, then we would probably have Jewish terrorists: et al King David Hotel. Einstein was right.

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."

Does that mean i aint gettin' no cabbage?

Those terrorists have to be fucking retarded.
The US is not a country to fuck with... This is
our chance to show this. We cant just let people
kill that many of our citizens and let them go feeling
sorry for their poorness or whatever. They need to
fucking pay. FUCK bin laden lets kill those fuckers.
I want to volunteer and get myself some of those fuckin
towelheads arab fuckers.

Remember citizens from 40 other countries died in those towers.

Gilenhel: I'd take a bloody argument with Lochdale over
any conversation with you.
At least it would last longer then 5 minutes. Conscientious thinker:
you are naive if you think US would intervene anywhere if it weren't
directly or indirectly in its interest. "Human rights violation" is
ALWAYS an excuse. I don't see American troops in Africa: do you?

Not surprisingly, Aredhel missed the point and proves it with his stupid remarks. Do you think we SHOULD have troops in Africa? Somebody decided we shouldn't, just like decisions are made about conflagrations throughtout the world. If we had troops in Africa, you'd be wringing your hand and whining about how we shouldn't meddle in African affairs. Just so you know, there ARE people who think there should be a U.S. presence in Africa. For people like you, there isn't a right choice. You don't know what's right so you oppose everything as being wrong. You are full of shit. Of course U.S. interests are important factors in deciding U.S. policy, you moron. It would really be stupid to go prancing around the world doing things that hurt U.S. interests. News flash: Advancing one's own interests is a prime directive of every living organism. That's why they are still living. Why are you? Mmmmm, maybe you are taking care of your own interests rather than giving away all of your money and possessions to live in the streets eating garbage so other's can live a better life. That's pretty selfish of you. Shame, shame, shame.

Conscientious thinker=Uncle Sam? :) (No, I -don't- know that for a fact,
but it is the second time this evening, I've been called a HE, now THIS
is WAR).

You know, there wouldnt be any controversy in this world we live in if everyone would just settle down at their computers and play MUME whenever they're feeling sore toward someone. Now THAT would be a peaceful world!

That wouldn't happen if you'd shave more often.

OK now i have to be political and sound smart, Ahem: I think America has done a darn diggity good job with being the world leader. If any country is in need, we help them. If there is injustice, we bring justice(well i guess what we call justice : P). As leader we help others and dont expect anything from them. Many countries have suffered grievances and we have helped them with supplies and financial support with no thanks expected. As well as our many sister countries, we have our own hardships, and do we get help from others? NO. Please give an example of the time when we have ever been given financial support or aid when we have been in need? Now we havent been a country as long as many other countries but our foundation of freedom has kept us going alright the last 200 or so years and thats what makes us the leader. We are not one to be criticized for our judgements. Our judgements are backed by the goal of freedom and peace in the world. We weigh the weight of annhilation of an evil with loss of life along with the weight of keeping innocent foreign civilians alive while Americans die. Now we try our best to consider every possible alternative in the stead of hurling a big metal explosive at a city with evil motives and evil people along with innocent people, but we are not perfect. When the weight of annhilation of evil with killing of innocent seems to be over greater value then we go with it. Now if anyone thinks of an alternative that will bring peace faster to the world other than this, then go shout yer voice. Otherwise, we are making the best darn good decisions that could be made. And as a side note, the hot-headed americans who wanna blow up something to hell arent the ones making the choices for america, it is the our almighty government. So pay no attention to 10 year olds like Horast who do nothing but sit on their computers and punch keys making statements that make them feel alive and good. Well thats my spiel,(dang i can be long winded) I hope i dont get too many remarks about how dumb i sound.

(P.S. notice i dont swear once in this entire log and have been replaced by words you would hear American, southern, christian farmers would speak in our depression : P.)

P.S.S dont you think its kinda of funny that we swear at each other and express our views because of an image of text that doesnt look at all like an explosion?

Oh shiiit how i love USA .....

(Lady Liberty == Voice of America == Lochdale) ?? Aschit, you sound really confused. The Einstein quote I believe Moxy alluded to: "Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during our 2,000 years of suffering and deserve all that will come to us." I think "The world will get what the world deserves" is also attributed to Einstein ...

Kudos to Goretongue for knowing more Einstein than I.

Despite that I _do_ feel sorry about what has happened in the stats, after briefly reading this thread, I would like to say following:
Attact didnt come out of nowhere! US acts in the past, for example. "help" in afganistan or other policy for "lesser nations" have a direct link to what have happened. As WW I peace condictions lead to aprox. 50 mil. dead bit later or situation in N-Ireland.

Despite that I _do_ feel sorry about what has happened in the stats, after briefly reading this thread, I would like to say following:
Attact didnt come out of nowhere! US acts in the past, for example. "help" in afganistan or other policy for "lesser nations" have a direct link to what have happened. As WW I peace condictions lead to aprox. 50 mil. dead bit later or situation in N-Ireland.

do you know english grammar or spelling well Cele?

It's odd, but actually most interest groups in America win from the WTC bombing. What's even more odd, is that progress itself wins. Here's why: Ordinary Americans once again have a clear goal before there eyes--they wanna see Afganistan bombed, they want blood. That they will get, so they will be happy. In the process they will be ready to work harder and to contribute their part (taxes) to make it happen. Politicians will be happy, cause they have something to do (bomb Afganistan) and they can please both the people and the businesses (arms manufacturers) and they will get fat chacks from those arms manufacturers and will get reelected, and everybody will be happy. And businesses will be happy, because 40 billion will be spent on stuff that is made by the businesses, and bombs are going to be bought and all the wheels will be set in motion to get the bombs over to their targets, and thus many businesses will meet their financial targets. The shareholders of the businesses will be happy too, and the CEOs and other management will take fat paychecks and will be happy. Not to mention the investment bankers and traders who will be hired now to replace those who have been lost (RIP). To get the bombs over, international communications will be used a lot and in the process new technology will be available to many international partners who have not before had it (Pakistan). Only ones to lose are the producers of luxury items and providers of unproductive entertainment (lottery). People will be more focused on their newly acquired goals and war taxes and reserve army service and spend less on items of questionable value such as luxury and gambling. Thus larger part of the productive society will work on new technical solutions that will make bombs better and secondarily be a technological driver for all the society, so the progress itself is better served than it was in the fat old bygone days of laisure before the WTC events. Thank you!

And to everyone thinking along the lines of terrorists, "cowardly", innocent victims, "make no mistake ...", biggest in history, America, I have two words: Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Amazing, you got more words ("two") than brain cells.

From what I've read here, the problem most people here have with the USA is that we act. Arguing that we are getting what we deserve for the past 50 years is laughable. Even if we did nothing, the USA would still represent western civilization and would still be a target of islamic radicals, because we stand for many of the things they are against. As for Dresden, comparing the nuking of Japan to terrorism is just plain retarded. At that time, we were at war with Japan, a country that had sneak attacked us. We used at the end weapons that saved many lives for our country. Are soldiers drafted to war because someone attacked you any less innocent and deserving to live?

People throw out Nagasaki and Hiroshima, like those were the only time we bombed "industrial targets". The Allies did a nice job on Dresden (appro 60,000 dead if I remember history) and the US on Tokyo (100,000 dead). Awesome power brings awesome responsibility. Truman dropped the bomb to prevent the invasion of Japan (he didn't trust the Japanese to surrender previous to this) and to show the Soviets (they had just invaded Korea) what new weapons we had. My general disgust, is how people form opinions with education or knowledge. Some of the stuff written shows ignorance of the highest order, I've seen better educated hillbillies.

An' jest wot -tha-HAILL is that suppose ta meen, ya snake-bellied yankee????

Personally, Moxy, I'm quite proud of American hillbillies. I think we have some of the best educated hillbillies in the world. Most have attained education levels equivolent to, say, a Belgium brain surgeon (in all fairness, they don't much to work on anyway) AND they can shoot the wings off a fly at 50 yards.

BAH! All you people, get a life!

We need paragraphs in order to better order out thougts. GORETONGUE: Have you read anything I have ever written? To compare me to the ppl or ppls who post as Lady Liberty is the highest insult I have ever gotten on mume and highlights the fact that you either have never read or understood anything I have written. Indeed, I have NEVER commented with a alias other then Lochdale (or my other characters Dliador, Arkine or Glendale). Lastly, I am Irish, not American, and to summarize my comments: I call for pragmatisim and I accept that the interests of Ameirca better serves world interests then the interests of the terrorist. Goretongue, you really pissed me off, tosser.

Anybody who cares what a nitwit like this alleged "GORETONGUE" (like that's somebody's real name) is pretty dim himself. You need to worry less about paragraphs and aliases and concentrate just a tad on organizing your thoughts before you write something. Being sober could help, too.

PA u are a moron! Nuke makes nothing between the mountains of afganisthan. Maybe just a big boom & some wasted valley but no actual damage to terrorists. & calculate how much costs a nuke & how many of em u need to nuke all valleys of afghanistan :) America will end in bankrupcy. Russians tried hard to kill all afghanistans but ey didnt succeed. I guess americans can kill some 40%-50% of terrorists with their fancy weapons but that will make all others more angry & more willing to bomb american civilians.

I cant believe i used to play this game with people like you. I fucking have to live through this damn shit, have someone dear to me pass away because of something thats almost unbelievable. So you head to mume.net to see whats new and find a bunch of teenagers screaming about shit they look up as they write. Then you have the god-complexed 20 somethings who try to sound intelligent because they've taken a history class, or watch documentaries. What a fucking waste of internet bandwidth. Its pretty fucking easy to make comments and argue with people when your sitting in a safe part of the world. Its fucking easy for people on the west coast of the united states to whine about this and that. And the relative safety of northern europe and the german bloc people can bitch about this and that. But keep in mind that people who live in areas that werent safe and are no longer safe dont fucking waste there time here to get into semantics about who saved who, and lets who should the usa bomb. They fucking come here to try to get away from life outside the box. But then again, most of you are sitting somewhere safe, thinking of what to bitch about next. Fuck all of you, get a clue. Stop wasting your time here, get on fire and go smob. Have fun while you can, enjoy the company of others while you can, but dont waste your life looking from the outside in.

Ryan, may I offer you my condolences. *hug* These are hard times for all of us and I too have lost some dear friends.

Everhate said it best. Pretty pointless to argue here with
clueless children tho. Couple of major points tho: They came
here and attacked us so fuck you idiots who dont believe we should
take it there. Also, Bin Laden already admitted to blowing a
hole in our warship a few months back. But perhaps in the eyes of
the clueless here, we need even more proof to bring a mass murderer
to justice. As I said in previous posts, you cant really listen
much to people like Edvard who are so US-hate filled they would
rather promote propoganda then speak the truth. Edvard you got
problems buddy.

and condolences to you and yours Ryan. And once again, a mighty
hurray to Edvard and the like who can take a stand for innocents
all over the world, but says its justice when innocents here
in America die. The world would be so much better without you,
believe me, and you wouldnt be missed much. You say your taking
a stand? Better examine your motives very closely, little boys,
because your the kind of people that point fingers and find 3
pointing back.

I have made quite a startling discovery. It seems a lot of our Eurofriends have been trying to 'educate' the poor, ignorant Americans. A lot of their posts contain this in common, "you have to understand why this is happening to you." My discovery is that whenever that statement is made, it is followed up by, "it is happening because the United States has (insert whatever your favorite pet-peeve against the United States is today [which may include the following, 'has mistreated the Palestinians,' 'has given money to the Palestinians,' 'has carpet bombed the Serbians,' 'has carpet bombed the innocents in Iraq,' 'took to long to carpet bomb the Serbians/Iraqis,' 'has an arrogant attitude,' 'has given money to the IRA,' 'has not given money to the IRA,' 'has economically disenfranchised the third world,' 'has helped to make godless capitalists of the third world,' 'has not helped enough during crises like earthquakes in Islamic countries,' 'has brought in their infidel Christian faith when supplying aid to Islamic countries,' 'act only in their best interests,' 'complain too much when we act in our best interests,' 'has supported the Russian attack on Afghanistan,' 'has not supported the Russian attacks in Afghanistan,''have helped the allies in WWII by bombing,' 'are too passive about innocents being bombed and killed,' 'act too agressively after having seen innocents bombed and killed,' 'have not helped the allies in WWII at all,' 'has no respect for the Islamic faith,' 'has no respect for oppressive Islamic governments,' 'has not challenged the totalitarian Islamic governments,' 'has been too aggressive,' 'has not been aggressive enough'] to name just a few). It is pretty clear that most do not understand why an extremist Islamic group might want to commit such a heinous act against the west. I believe that I know why this has happened. It is because of hatred. An unreasoning, violent and unsupportable emotion. Read what Bin Laden has to say for himself, "kill the Americans and their allies-civilians and military-is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do." And, "Clinton is a confessed sinner and a bad person. It is absolutely not possible to negotiate with such a person and he should be removed [from power] and stoned to death. He is of bad character." ...well, no one is ALL bad, as it turns out. (*gig* that last bit is a joke, you see?). p.s. Lochdale *hshake* Peace be w/you.

Korf said : "American intelligence says that it is almost certain"
American intelligence? Doesnt these two words contradict eachother?

Ryan are you fucking retarded ? Do you think your in any danger compared to what people in the middle east or in africa have been for the past 20 - 30 - 100 - 1000 years ? Your fucking stupid. Go shit your pants boy and think before commenting.

Korf said: "American intelligence says that it is almost certain..." American intelligence? Don't these two words contradict each other?

I tried to tell him, but he just won't listen. I can't understand why he doesn't want to write his contractions correctly!

aha!

This one time an American boy stole my cookie at the airport. I think America should pay for thier crimes against humanity!

Yea this one guy said that he saw this other guy who thought he knew someone who heard someone else do something bad to someone else for no reason. He said he sounded like an American cause he said lots of bad words. I hate Americans!

It strikes me as bizarre that "Europe" should be so critical of war and imperialism when it's entire history is pretty much anchored by conquest and/or colonialism of some sort or another. Did Europeans learn horrible lessons from that history or are do they fear the legacy they gave the world now that they are themselves weak and impotent and ripe for the taking?

Wow, i havent been criticized once for my comment. I am quite amazed. anywho people, lets look at it this way: there is always something original or different that happens in history that makes us as humans more advanced. If this wasnt so, the world would not have developed the advanced weapon systems and computers that there is now because there would be no need for them. When there is a need for a product, it is most certainly produced and reproduced and so on. Call it divine or whatever, but events such as these take place in order to advance the human race (or destroy it for the matter).

yes, after tuesday i feel that i am in danger, not so much as those that live in volatile parts of the country, i never said any different, sorry you feel that way

Hey Zack, yer a muffin-suckin' flapjack-faced half-witted moron!!!!!! Hope that makes ya feel included.

ALL YOUR EQ IS BELONG TO ME, OR UNTIL MY WORD OF RECALL FUCKS UP AND I CANT WIMP OUT OF A FIGHT AND DIE.

You Americans are so sensetive. If They blow up half belgia you dont give a fuck, but if someone would throw a paperplane into a basket and it would fell on your gandmothers penis you would nuke all russia and sing "cumbaya my lord".
AM I RIGHT?!?!!!!!!!

det där spårade ur. förlåt.

You Americans all seem to be idiots!!
Can't you see it is because of your arrogance and hypocracy (sorry if i am using words that are too big for your simple minds) that there is soo much anti-american sentiment in the world.
If you MUST join wars that have nothing to do with you dont pick sides, encourage peace.
You also need to realise that bombing the taliban that may or may not have been related will just flair anger toward your country and make this sort of thing more common. More will die unless you say no more, that means do no more aswell. There is nothing wrong with bringing those responsible to justice, but killing innocents is not justice, it makes you worse than those who did it in the first place.
Your country is only a couple of hundred years old and you are judging the rest of the world on issues that have been around for thousands. Grow up a bit frst America!

Tulk'n, I believe it is you who are the idiot. There are no 'innocents' in the Taliban, they have been backing terrorist incidents for years against Western Civilization. It is also glaringly obvious that if an issue is still not taken care of in over thousands of years, maybe you need to take a new approach? So, enlightened Tulk'n, explain to me with your vast knowledge of world history and events, how should the US (and the world) go about solving this problem?

Well, one thing should be fairly obvious. You can *NOT* bomb away the problem. You can bomb for revenge, you can bomb to satisfy the people at home, but you can't bomb away the hatred those people have for the US.

On behalf of all decent americans... we appreciate the support other countries provide, and most don't understand the amount of help we give or appreciate us back. Not saying that there should be physical repercussions to the horrible acts, but if USA adopted the *hands off* approach to the rest of the world most of you would be shit outta luck.

There are no innocents in the Taliban, I will grant you that. The government and leaders are by no means innocent. But the civilians that will also be killed by your government's childish desire for battle are innocent, they harbour terrorism no more than the americans who were in the WTC at the time.
You want to know what they should do? Find who is responsible, every last individual. Then they should take them to the UN, have a world court hearing and have them punnished accordingly. If you want to have a tit for tat playground battle you will not come off unscathed.
Also to prevent this from happening again take a good look at why it happened. I am not saying that I agree with the people who did this, because I disagree with it more than I disagree with what your government will do in return. Bt your countries international relations leaves a lot to be desired. There is too much hypocricy, you cannot take sides when trying to encourage peace. You cannot withhold humanitary aid from one side and give arms to the other. It is no wonder at all that there are people out there very angry with america.
One more thing...
Mr Bush claimed america is the 'brightest beacon of democracy adn peace' in the world. That is rediculous. I can go to work, school, university and shopping or what ever I must do without the remotest threat of being shot or blown up. That is a far greater freedom than any american has.

You are delusion. You sit here talking about world court, ignoring the fact that WTC was possible because the Taliban has harboured bin Laden for years despict indictments for other acts of terrorism throughout the world. Get off your high horse. You talk generalties not based in fact. The U.S. is as much criticized for NOT taking positions as taking positions. What freedom you enjoy, whereever you live, is at the mercy of anybody or any country who wants to disrupt it for good reasons, bad reasons or no reasons at all. Basically, if somebody's not after you it means you just don't have anything worth taking. That's life, butthead.

thx Turkletwat, i now feel equal with all of you.

Ok, if the majority of you think that America is the stupidest country in the world, then why the heck did you learn our language? And "so I can play MUME' is not a reason! = )

I am disgusted by some of the comments of some of you people im literally disgusted.

It is interesting to go back and read some of these comments. How do we all feel nowadays?