as a warrior, its impossible to fight a scout.. frigggin hiders =P

but they were warrior and mage!! with quake! and i didnt hide!

*Comf Wenom* and... Hide has to be changed real fucking fast!

Why does hide need to be changed Edvard? Just because zaugurz scouts are hard to fight? So, lets make it so they cant hide now ... so we can spam-kill them when they have nowhere to run? Sounds like fun.

Also Edvard .. there are skills and techniques in place to easily overcome hide skill ... use ur fucking brain and not ur sword for once.

Hide is another conceptually absurd skills coded into the game (like 2 foot tall hobbits backstabbing 9 foot trolls or using a bow while holding a big ass shield, etc). You have to assume somebody could hide behind the only rock in a room and never be found (we be morons) or that a skilled tracker would not be able to follow tracks to somebody hiding up a tree or such. It be dumb fer sure.

Greasy Joe ... you must really believe in those ideas since you are hiding behind some alias-name. This is a game - nothing is even close to reality ... so might as well stop that argument right there.

What is absurd is the mume tracking system. try doing tracking real life and let's see where it gets you (Except on soft ground adn without a hound dog).

More absurd is that mages are better trackers by far than anyone. Still more absurd is the spell 'store'. And more absurd is the spell earthquake (in fact ALL spells are absurd) - imagine going into a dense forest where you can't see beyond a few feet and you quake to reveal a hidden person in a 2*2 mile area!

Yet more absurd are scrolls. You want me to tell you of more absurd things in mume or are willing to shut up by now?

Moryrch ... you left out the infamous block door spell. I say ... if you kill the blocker ... the blocked door should shatter into pieces. Then see how many pussy mages want to block doors for trap-overkills.

Touchy, touchy. Your name really isn't "Ugurz" so you might as well stop that argument right there. If you had 20 or so level 21+ chars (which I do), names wouldn't matter so much because I'm not really any of the those chars either. There's a lot of absurdities in Mume---I'm all for changing them. List whatever you can think of. (P.S. My thieves levels= 32, 30, 30, 22, 21 and some lesser lights).

I agree. All spells are absurd.

Magic? I mean, come on. Theres no such thing!

And trolls? its, well, a total fantasy

:-)

Pfft.

Well, yes.. hide is powerful skill, especially in a forest room. It takes some skill and time to kill good scout. In some areas like forests with trolls or in Moria it is close to impossible if scout got some clue. But removing or changing hide at current moment is a big no-no. 1. moves of sneakers are already fuckuped enough. 2. zaugurz are walking xp without hide.

One more comment: "i just wanna know why you cant get a dman solofight EVER!".. Thats simple, MUME xp/level/eq/wps system punishment for character death is hard, thus enforcing playstyle that guarantees high kill/death ratio. Playing in groups slaying solo opponents is a most effective way to achieve this ratio.

hide is not nearly as powerful as some of these newbs appear to think! it is
easy to get someone out of hiding, but im not going to tell you who dont
already know how because frankly, its alot easier to kill clueless people.

And nobody should know better than a spam-corpse like Deimus how easily clueless people die.

yeah it is easy to reveal hiders, and there are some very effective ways of doing it..altho i admit in a forest with mobs, its hard :) but thats ok..thieves have shit mvs

Why is it that anything that is effective for someone and makes it where your char cant kill should be removed? Should we all get naked slap each other to death in one big room? But i dont see point in this log really 3 to one aint really much of a over kill really considering sneakers are easier to kill if you keep them moving. And the fact that you can't play thinking that your not about to be trapped.

sometimes when i meet draaz im solo...and i do fight until we are somewhat wounded or so...its always fun!but its been a while since i seen draaz solo West anymore...

It is not only zaugurz who hide you know. And it is fucking overpowered, sure u can flush ppl out, going paranoid etcetc, but then they flee a cpl rooms and hide again... the time it all takes the scout regs full anyway...

And while we're at the zaugurz-subject, i think its quite weird that u cannot rev. a zaugurz warrior with like 4 search th and paranoid=p

Hide is not overpowered ... Edvard may be underpowered ... but thats about it.

i´ll get back to you Ganon.. but as for now.. im like newbie age.. and i sawk =)

Trust a bunch of thief-players to tell you nothing is wrong with hide. Heh. Heh. yeah sure, not biased or anything!

*nod ugurz* That must be it

We need more people like Greasy Joe showing off how they got three legend thieves!

Edvard going para and searching will get you nowhere..and that is not the trick Deimus is talking about. Hunting someone with hide can be annoying..but so is hunting people with BOB, people with poison, spam fleeing smiters, and storeporters...so lets just remove every skill and sit online roleplaying all day! ;-)

Why do ppl whine always about powerfull things? It's not that, what should be
changed. But when something is powerfull, ther should be powerfull weapon against it also. So this is the way how things could be balanced. And when u dont
like thieves, just simply find another opponent?