Let's not forget that Shimmer also asked to be retired once before this, since that's how I got involved... To allow this log ot be made.

Question: This log has 2 sides, 1 antar was demoted on the basis that He was given cross race information, in turn did Shimmer not give out cross race when she publicized the tells that were given to her...?

Shimmer didn't...not from a god. Shimmer didn't step into that position, Antar and Adara did. What a lame ass Antar is. I've given shining away with no regrets, as I'm sure other good legends have done.

Christ shimmer, what the fuck is the matter with you? Why do you kirk out
over small things like this, and get nice people like Antar demoted?
This was not necessary at all - it, in fact, seems ridiculous. Lay
off the pain killers, they're making you angry and moody!

noone can ever get any more pathetic then you shimmer. you have been spewing all kinds of shit about other ppl to make them impopular. this is just the gayest thing ive ever seen. trying to get others demoted.

Just for the record, I do believe it was not Shimmer who posted this log.

Oh come on ppl, lay off the damn drugs. This is not funny anymore. And if Shimmer didn't post it, then who did? Some admin be so nice and tell :P

heh...whoever posted forgot to mention...Shimmer had already prayed to be retired...at least 5 min before I told her a word. So since I didn't actually ever whois her...she could have been retired before I even asked her anything. And she was going to retire anyway la de da...I really don't think anything should have happened to Antar and yep I was valed and talked to. But anyway. I kinda think Shimmer blew this waaaay outta place :)

I feel Antar has been used by me a few times. Maybe he should meet my friend deletion?

Korf, I'm not exactly sure any compliments from you about a guy makes that guy turn out more likeable.

So I ask myself who did post that log? Because it if was Nienor or her sister Aredhel, it should be showing of evidence and that should be as much illegal.

Adara, darling, you look cuter when you keep your trap shut.

So I am asking myself who, that Mumer is? Because he obviously wouldn't know
what an IP address is if it hit him flat on the forehead.

I had two classes of networks in school and I know what it is! So who posted the log that makes Shimmer look like shit?

First of all showing evidence is not illegal. Whatever gave you that idea? Do you know anything about justice systems anywhere? Oh, you don't? I suggest you shut the fuck up then. Second, why would any of them want to post this log? This log doesn't show anything not already stated by Antar himself in the log posted by him. In short: this log is evidence, but Antar himself already admitted to the facts, so this log is not necessary.

They make Adara look like shit, I hope you meant to say.

Honestly, the character separation, especially when it comes to immortals on this MUD is absolutly abysmal. People really should learn to be a bit more responsible with how they use their IMM characters. From what I've seen, all people do with them is log them on to bitch at whoever killed them on the other side, or to find out what someone's alts are, or do favours for a friend involving cross-race info. IMHO things like logging on after a PK rip with your IMM to talk to the other side should result in deletion of the IMM and mort char involved.

That's not supposed to happen, although it does. Report it when it happens, someone? V+ aren't psychic
and cannot magically know.

Why should Antar get away with something so obvious, time and time again? Why does ANYONE get away with cheating _PERIOD_ especially if one of the Ainur is aware and 100% sure this player is cheating? Because these people hand sweet-eq over to their mortals..? I dont understand how so many can be punished, but some just get away with murder here. What applies to one player, should apply to the rest.

Well I dont have much to say besides that was not already up in this
log. No, I did not post this, it was posted on a friends site, along
with being posted on the BSC-Log Page. I know the log was taken by
one of the Ainur, or pMumma off the friend's site. I know this
because part 2 was an even better log, of an V+ admitting that Antar
had asked him to cheat for him ALOT, and being a "Figure of
Authority" on MUME, I was baffled why he did not do anything about
Antar's problem so long ago. If someone had access to those logs,
they would have posted both 1, and 2, because part 2 was much
better. I never said I didnt ask to be retired before this happened,
I DID ask to be retired as soon as I logged Shimmer on. In the second
log, I did state that Adara probably did not know any better, and
also that Antar taking advantage of that, was not being a very good
friend to her as well. Im not at all picking on Adara, I was pissed
of course, at first, but I hold nothing against her. I had a problem
with Antar doing this, because he does it ALOT. I dont think its
fair, to people being baby'd at his side, or those fighting against
him. I could care less what ANY of you have to say, ANY of you think
about me, or what you think of this situation. Not only did he do it
this time, which I logged, and the time the V+ was telling me all
about how Antar used to harras him/her to do this, but other friends
of mine who are still friends with him to this day, have even told me
this. I dont give you names? Right..And thats because they dont need
to be brought into the middle of this, and mume.net's rough crowd =P

To make things clear, I DID GET ALMARIAN DEMOTED, I DESERVED IT, NOT
ONLY DID I GET DEMOTED FOR CHEATING, BUT I GOT 6 EXTRA LEVELS FOR NOT
ADMITTING IT. I have DONE my time, for the crime I did, and I learned
too. I did NOT cheat by any means of pk, I did not cheat by any means
of EQ issues, I did not cheat by any means of cross-race info, a
friend played Almarian, for 1 level. :/ SURE, either way its
cheating, but shit people, stop making such a big issue of the
situation by comparing Antar to myself. They are two different
situations, and I got a much harsher punishment at a low level then
he got on ANY character he has got demoted yet, at much higher
levels. And he has had warning after warning, and still people let
him get away with it. IT MUST STOP SOMEWHERE!

People, stop worrying
about what I am doing on MUD/RL. It is a "Soap Opera" because YOU
people make it that way. Bobbie, get a LIFE dude, Bianca's wedding to
Rza was RP, and BSC's first party in Tharbad, and Bianca's
change-over into BSC, and that was IT. If you people chose to go
around and ASSUME and cause the Soap Opera, so be it. That makes you
better then me HOW btw?

Adara, you want to think I blew this out of
place? Do you pk btw on your other characters? There is a small
legend group of darkies on at my time in which I play. When I say
small, I mean about 5(on average) legends TOTAL. I dont think it is
fair that Antar goes around doing this over and over again, getting
people killed unfairly, and on top of the cheating, with such large
groups. So YEAH, I blew this way out of proportion *nod self*, I dont
think he needs the assistance from ANY person in cheating to get his
eq back, list of who is on darkies, where they are, how many per
group, if a portaler is on, and where a group is going or their
plans. This is just completely UNFAIR, and I might PORTAL, I might
poison, SURE, I have in the past overkilled and trapped a NASTY
amount of times, BUT, at least I can say I did not CHEAT in this
way.

Stop worrying about what OTHERS are doing, worry about
yourselves, your own characters, your own playstyles, your own RL,
_PERIOD_.

You people who are whining over Nienor and I getting Antar
into trouble, is just bullshit, what are you worried about? Dont want
to bite the hand that feeds you your pretty eq? =) Nienor did what
was FAIR, and really he has been warned before, plenty of times, he
should of been demoted to level 1 in my mind. Especially for turning
this into a 'Shimmer just doesnt like me, this is a conspiracy!' What
BULLSHIT.

Antar, BTW, I dont know where you got off saying you
level'd Hazel, anyone that knows me well enough, knows I spam leveled
with pJandor, _PERIOD_. And your whole interview on Elvenrunes with
Lochdale is a bunch of bullshit too. What were you saying? How you
really try to be the best or some shit? Honestly, do you sit there
and think about all the times you have cheated to get anywhere on
MUME, and then give yourself "THE BEST" credit? The people who play
well without cheating I believe would fit your "conversation" alot
better. Someone who strives to be "BEST" should not be "CHEATING" to
get there.

shimmer you remind me of the dog shit i stepped in the other day in rl

Truth is, some many years back, it just wasn't a problem that everyone could
level an immortal. There were few enough people around, and they were just
plain "nicer" and more conscientious. There was also signficantly less
whining, for which these kinds of sites are perhaps responsible too, or
perhaps the playerbase was older and consistent more of college studenty
types. Whatever the reasons are, this is MUME the Soap Opera, at its worst.

Let me just express a common sentiment: grow up, please?

Joei Artides is a level thirty-five Dwarven Battlemaster [Retired].
Last login 4 days and 9 hours ago from *.net.
I guess it started with one simple fuck up but now im gone.
For good!

Stay gone you fuck

Ow Shimmer, cheating is cheating, either yoi lift fullsets cross-race or visit balrog with your god.

Shimmer, I'm sure you've NEVER asked ANYONE for ANY crossrace info via icq? I'm sure when Khird was visiting you in America, he NEVER played whitie while you played darkie? How are you going to write some 6 paragraph lecture about not cheating, when you do it more than anyone i can imagine (besides estonians)?

People involve your RL in this because you're such a slut. How many guys on MUME have you asked to go live with you? You bring this shit upon yourself by dating so many different people on a fucking MUD, try getting out and meeting people?

You keep saying that Antar's eq is 'precious'. It's so precious that he can replace in 3 hours time?

The ones I've seen whining on how bad MUME has become are among the people corrupting it the most.

Ok, we had the opera, we heard both sides. But please stoooooooooppp. Honest, it's enough :)

Oh comon! shimmer aint that bad.. its a very nice person if you know him!

Ok, what I have gathered from this log: someone hasn't had sex in a LONG time.

Yeah, Lochdale hasn't.

I'm with you shimmer, its good that this cheathing noobie got demoted!

And Urion dont you see how silly your point is? Even if Shmer has cheated in any ways, does that justify Antar to cheat? I would think not.

Just because everyones loverboy Antar was caught cheating doesent justify all you corrupt mumers to start lashing out at the 'evil gods' and the 'evil shimmer' for giving him a fair punishment.

bla bla bla jare jare jare *Yawn*

ohh just realized, the poster typoed Unknown :P Hah

lol shimmer is full of it ....i cant beleive that anyone would take her bad play out on other ppls...SO shimmer just a bit pissed that antar killed u so many times? SAD

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Funny how this is going back on Shimmer. She's not the one who was busted here. Antar was. Cheating is wrong and should be dealt with when the parties involved are caught. If Shimmer cheats in the future, log the shit and then complain.

Oh come on! Adara didnt do anything on purpose, and the little thing she did didnt harm anyone! how bloody silly!

Perhaps stay with ER unless you actually got something to say?

What I don't understand is how a simple problem like this escalates into a ton of people yelling and fighting over a what's already been resolved. Admittedly I don't know all the rules of MUME, and admittedly I have been caught on char sep probs that I was ignorant of (different char). But I was willing to take any punishment and was just lucky that my judge (Yavanna rocks!!!!) was kind and forgiving to my position. My point is this: MUME opperates based on an honor. As corny as it sounds it's true. Despite extra knowledge one might have or positions want might be in to get that info it's best not to based on that honor. If you abuse this power than you're cheating. That's the truth, bottom line! Almost everyone as been guilty of it at some point, some have been caught, others have not. My opinion is that people shouldn't get mad over this, especially since it doesn't involve practically any of them, not to mention some of the language used is atrocious. Surely some of you can think of other ways to express yourselves. To everyone, please just think about your honor when you're playing, know the rules and keep to them. It makes things so much better for everyone else. Thank you.

Sorry about several grammatical and spelling errors in my above comment.

Funny to see all these children flaming Shimmer. Grow up some and you'll think the same way. Though in case of Uriond and Joei i doubt it's even possible for them to grow up. So sad...

Shimmer's private life is Shimmer's private business. At least, unlike Antar,
she seems to be capable of admitting her own mistakes and fallings and NOT blame
them on everybody and everyone else. Uriond, you seem to be holding your
friends to a lower standard then everyone else. It just doesn't work this way.

Aredhel, why don't you please remove these two logs? Everyone and their mother has now seen them, commented and this is getting out of any taste. Besides, once something is decided by member of managment, this should not to be argued anymore since this is their game.

Because, no matter how ugly and tasteless this all looks, for one thing, this is an uncensored site. And for another, if you
haven't noticed, it looks like Antar has been counting precisely on it, hoping
to provoke Aredhel to remove the log to make her look bad (the jerk even disclosed her private
info). Also, who said there's anything wrong with discussing the management's decisions?

Well, it did what I wanted, pissed off the right people too... Even though I had no intention of making Aredhel mad. And I could bust out with an ICQ or two from Shimmer (on ainur) saying when someone was moveless near Eoghha... But I'm just gonna have to share it with a v+ and do it all the legal way. Not to mention Shimmer thinking that Nienor is a guy and all that good stuff. Oh well. Btw, I don't mind being demoted, it's really the tps I missed. I enjoyed being on travellers list, and it appears that's over. And if anyone actually is able to find out who my new chars are, then I know someone's cheating too, since no one knows them, and I play with narrates/songs off.

It's not this site, or this game, or its management that's the problem.
It's the people. I became an admin for the site because I thought it was really
cool and FUN to read logs of other people doing stuff on this game.
It's just not true anymore - neither here, nor on er. It doesn't matter what
a log is about, someone will find something to complain or whine about or
would call someone names. I loved Hate logs, I thought they were funny - other
people's didn't, but the venom in some of the comments really stunned me.

It's not even the case of the pot calling the kettle black anymore. Once,
a long long time ago, MUME's population was just somehow more mature and responsible. I don't miss anything as much as I miss that old comraderie.
Remember why you, folks, are playing this game, and if your reasons are anything
other then FUN, I recommend finding another way to spend your time.

Show your name and I might, or make here an account system and start banning ppl like ER did to Longo and co :P It's just a typo hey? Were you the one who made it ;)

Longo is banned from mume.net *chuckle*. I guess yet another person who has
never heard of IP addresses.

I don't read mumenet that often, I just read soap operas ;) Whatever, lets close this damn thread already :P And yes I know what an IP adress is *wink*

So you mean to say elvenrunes is a collection of soap operas? Nice.

What about removing commenting atleast then? Here and/or in mume.net. People can still read logs but doubt anyone posts them to read how much others loved it (sure some do but not all), it's rather that then there isn't all that flaming, bitching and whining.

After i've died, i have wondered "so who took the 6 blue scrolls i had in my pouch and forgot to recite? :P". I hereby admit it, and if any v+ wants to, i hereby offer myself for demotion in the name of justice! (what character, time and date can be had from me on mume, via tells or mume mail.)

ok unknown admins, i won't read this thread nor site for another half a year. Happy? And stop those cheap syllogisms.. *yawn*

You know this one time, at band camp, I stuck a flute in my pussy

*chuckle* So easy to pick out the comments written by me, and the ones by others in my name. I've said this to some folks, and I'll say it again... I just want my tps damn it! =(

Lochdale:
Ahh the youth of America...the worlds future.....


TO all people with brains: lets put our forces together and delete America!

Youth of America? If America goes down, the whole world goes down with it. We're all doomed!!!

I am considering that as an option too yes. When shit like this happens, I start
considering -all- options.

Pedrag...stfu!

I am so strong and powerful...
Eat my dust...

Uhmm..I only read the log and the first comment but I hac´ve a feeling THESE COMMENTS ARE EXTREAMLY MOTHERFUCKER INTERESTING BWHHAHWHAHHWHAHAHHAHAHA YOU FUCKING IDIOTS GET SOME GASOLINE AND MATCHES.

Rogon is the only one who made any sense here.

What the fuck are you trying to say hark?

Shimmer cheats all the time anyway , so why shoud this matter ????...

The beginning of the log says it all 'who is this pathetic peice of shit'
its that kind of attitude (when the person making the accusation is one of
the lamest pkers on the game) that says it all

its a soap opera you made yourself Shimmer. These arent the only two logs
that have comments concerning your social life. People often see you better
than you see yourself, and believe me its not coincidental that your name
comes up constantly in socially retarded situations.

If you got demoted you probably deserved it. If you are trying to get rid of shimmer the common way is to scrape the back half of your shoe on the concrete, zo if its closar you better turn off the power.