Nasty fight in GC area
posted by Blyn
2000-08-22 01:29:42
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Kroom2000-08-22 02:05:39
Well, no luck on my side, and no pale blue stone...
Anyway, it was nice fight, eventhough i lost.
I almost had nice eq...
Deor2000-08-22 02:07:49
Nice illegal door trigger.

* W C HP:Wounded Mana:Warm Move:Tired>w
The door seems to be closed.
open door
Blyn2000-08-22 02:13:11
i dont have an immortal so nobody told me it is illegal. I don't think so
actually. This trigger doesnt help in pk, when you spam. I think 90%+ of ppl
use it.
Aschit2000-08-22 02:28:51
Aschit2000-08-22 02:30:10
Damn, did it again. ALL triggers are illegal in pk, even auto-mounting when zblammed. I have never had an ainur in all my time on mume, it is common knowledge that triggers are illegal. Just be glad you got caught here and not on mume, so you can fix it w/o being demoted. Way to stay in the fight though!
Pampalini2000-08-22 06:48:28
It's logical when u use illegal action, but stupid and illegal together?
Grimble2000-08-22 07:05:47
hrmm noone told me in person that autotrack was illegal either but i sort of figured it out from the news...maybe i could plead insanity or drunkenness and still use it!
hannibal2000-08-22 08:31:16
zblam trigger isnt illegal!.... is it?
zblam was one of them who didnt count as illegal what i heard
Fredde to blyn2000-08-22 08:32:57
this trigger isent illegal

* W C HP:Wounded Mana:Warm Move:Tired>w
The door seems to be closed.
#doortarg is now set to {door}

and then you have a key with "open $doortarg"
Angbor2000-08-22 09:05:31
Any trigger that might help you survive or defeat your enemy in pk is illegal,
so ZBLAM! is illegal too.
Khzandros2000-08-22 09:18:25
Way to go Blyn :)
An Old Dwaven F2000-08-22 09:18:53
Another vote for: All trigger is illegal in pk!

(When I still played) I even removed my auto-labelling
trigger that I only used for getting my statistics
on the timing of various actions (not #actions) during
fighting (like How long does a bash last in average,
how fast are my various weapons etc.). Nobody told
me to remove it either. I just feel a statement

"All Triggers are Illegal in PK"

should REALLY be clear.

Play it safe, remove it.

Atastor
Dragóth2000-08-22 09:21:15
what if ZBLAM dont make you help kill anyone, just kill YOU instead.
Illegal then?
Dragóth2000-08-22 09:22:57
yday i zblamed away 150 hp, since my warg was fucked up, just had to mention it.
Unknown2000-08-22 09:37:03
that orc outplayed you to bad he didnt win
Blyn2000-08-22 09:38:13
Actually autoopen trigger cant help ya in pk i think. If ya spam (usually ya
spam in pk) ,for example w,where door is, 5-6 times, you will try to open it
5-6 times. In that time you don't move just spam open. Way to die. I've been
using it (and all ppl I know too) for several years rl. To grimble: smart you,
this trigger cant be compared with autofol(track)(hit). But still if some
V+ comments it IS illegal i gonna stop using it
Lothar2000-08-22 09:44:10
Blyn you fool, what an excuse:
"i dont have immo so balblabla" LOL!

You are fool or you play fool?
Horus2000-08-22 10:45:42
1 or 2 Stored colour sprays would have finnished that orc long time ago
Nightchill2000-08-22 11:51:42
Whilst the auto door open trigger may kill you if you are unlucky, there's
no doubt that it could help you avoid PK. Have you tried fumbling for
doornames when you have an adrenaline rush and an enemy is close behind you?
Dorak2000-08-22 11:52:48
That trigger is bullshit and clearly illegal, as are actionflee triggers etc. that so many people seem to use. Why the fuck can you not play fair? Does it increase your dicksize if you kill someone using telnet just because he can't auto-open doors, but has to set an alias manually if he wants to spam it open or closed, or type the whole open blablabla if he wants to spam through the door? Blyn, you are one big MORON.
Alweon2000-08-22 12:14:38
Oooh, make auto eat/drink triggers illegal too. I think it gives an unfair advantage when your client can feed you so you regen faster. This is just to point out that nearly any action can help a little in pk. Even the ever so common reply trigger that sets a variable so you don't have to type the name of the person... Ban the Major actions like autohit,autotrack but almost everyone uses that door one so almost everyone has the same advantage...
Cur/Roadkill2000-08-22 12:57:51
*LOL* not everyone uses triggers and autolabels. The -only- triggers I've ever used are autoloot gold, and fleetrigger (which I don't use anymore). I have no doorlabel, autolabel key to hit opponent, autoreset wimpy trigger, etc etc etc. And I've never had 'em.

Damn, this makes me feel good about myself, getting all those kills with my chars if all you guys are using this shit.

BTW, I think ALL use of actions is now illegal, and behave accordingly. This of course includes any actions that save you from actually having to type - just pressing the hotkey instead.

Anyone agree?
Cur2000-08-22 13:41:57
Oh, and I forgot to mention those that have a trigger that activates whenever they are in a room with a hidden exit, so it shows the exit direction and exit name on autoexit, and binds a hotkey for open/close/pick/block etc. That's definitely on my personal no-no list too :-)
Forve2000-08-22 13:43:10
Thats why i prefer dont post my logs....

PPL!

If i cant see you face in RL - this is not a big reason call me
fool, moron or something like that. I know Blyn in RL and, trust me, this guy
is smart.

2. If you are young and all you time you are in the MUME, playing like bird flying
(means wery good), mind about tonnsa ppl, who cant play not so long and not so clearly
and correctly in PK as you.

3. This is not first time, when some1, who wanna show log, finally feels
self in shit from head to feet.

Exuse my bad enlish.
Hurolg2000-08-22 14:34:11
hello!
Gnarl the Mean2000-08-22 15:56:59
Same ole story ... Wimpy puke caster rocks orcish scout. Whats new here?
Blah blah blah
Lochdale2000-08-22 17:19:25
Ignorance of the law (a law) is NOT a defense. The only time it can ever be raised as an affirmitive defense is if the law is not well publicised and you can show via preponderance that the law is selectively enforced or the law is duplicstive or violative of a fundamental right. All Triggers in PK are illegal...end of discussion.
Diam2000-08-22 18:06:56
Remove the clients:P?
Diam2000-08-22 18:08:31
Btw, reply variable for replying someone is THEN ALSO ILLEGAL.
THat helps as hell,
E.G. BLYN REPLYING OTHER WIMPPUKE, "HELP".
Tror2000-08-22 18:28:08
I havent seen this law enforced a whole lot though..
Echo2000-08-22 18:30:10
You mean i have to remove my 'bash-stand' script? god it only took me like
4 months to figure out how to write that one. B}
Tror2000-08-22 18:39:10
I only used 1 yr to figure out how to stand;ride after zblam!!
Tror2000-08-22 18:39:22
As an action, anyway ;)
Niccolo2000-08-22 18:41:16
Lochdale you are refering to the law in a democracy, Mume is a dictatorship (mostly benevlolent, but a dictatorship nonetheless). The same legal precepts don't apply. If the legal arguments of a democracy were valid in mume, I think there would be a good chance that the beautiful doctrine of jury nullification would come into play for people who use non-aggressive actions.

All that aside. Not all triggers are illegal. Triggers used for highlights and variable setting are not. A good rule of thumb--> Does the trigger send text to the mud? If yes, it's probably illegal unless speciffically mentioned as not being illegal in the rules. If no, its not illegal (or at least entirely unenforceable).


Niccolo2000-08-22 18:43:48
OOps I mean Republic not a democracy. None of those wussy socialist states exist in today's world.
Blyn to Diam2000-08-22 18:56:56
i didnt replie. The only triggeri used was autoopen, never used panic etc,
stopped to use autoloot like year ago. So now i'm clear:P Still it doesnt
matter for me so much
Rogon2000-08-22 19:11:43
Auto trackers have been demoted when noticed, auto hitters too, but, so far i havent heard of anyone punished or told its illegal to have auto-ride (by a v+ not 14 different spamming newbies) so feel safe to use it until someone who has any say tells you not to.
Salmar2000-08-22 20:16:31
Damn, if you think that anyone will write in pk situation 'open heavysturdydoor'
or whatever bullshit then you are totally wrong. If I want to get out from a room
RL I know what is the exit and I know how to use the handle of door. It's not like
I'm going to open cupboard instead. *think*
Blyn2000-08-22 20:32:13
if i wanna (auto)loot something rl i just do it!
Dax2000-08-22 21:22:33
Forve wrote:
3. This is not first time, when some1, who wanna show log, finally feels
self in shit from head to feet. .

Isent it kinda hard to fill something from Head to Feet?

Anyway, the trigger isent illegal until you open the door. (in pk)
But what do I know.
Pampalini to Di2000-08-23 11:37:26
Reply action sets variable, but doesnt send anything -> it's legal.
Hmms - and if Macros was demoted for silly autotrack, for autodoors
you should be punished rl :P
Diam2000-08-23 15:33:55
Good to know that seting variables is not illegal :P.

My client is all ONE BIG VARIABLE.
MANWE2000-08-23 17:27:58
ALL TRIGGERS ARE ILLEGAL DURING PK, EVEN ONES THAT HELP YOU TO EAT, DRINK, OR
LOOT COINS. Feel free to use them at the risk of being demoted.
Unknown2000-08-23 21:08:06
was it MANWE? or just manwe?
Unknown2000-08-23 22:12:11
it wasnt manwe, quite obviously, he would say this in mume, not here.
CRYHAVOC2000-08-25 19:55:50
yeah its too damn easy to impersonate people on these comments
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