Bye!
posted by p(Gray)
2001-08-12 22:43:25
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Not a log, as you prolly figured out...
  Goodbye MUMErs, I decided to take a break, because I don't see any point to
play amymore. Anything I tried to achieve here, I failed miserably. Well,
perhaps I should tell about myself a bit, to help you understand me...
 
  I came here in October 1998. Before I played our local MUD, leveled there to
maximal level and was promoted to Wizard (like member of the Management). Yeah
I cheated after that alot, to help my mortals, and quickly found that nobody
wants to fight with unkillable one :) I coded a bit, but quickly got tired...
You understand, MUD with around 20 players, like 3-5 playing at the same time,
no board system, few responce from mortals, etc. So I asked a friend to bring
me to MUD by Tolkien that he played for quite long time...
 
  Many things amazed me here :) Idea itself (wow, I can play real Tolkien char
running on the Arda!); necessity to eat and drink, rest and sleep; race war;
and main - warlord list! and multiple levels of Ainur. Guess what became my
goals? Yeah, become warlord and become Vala *blush*
 
  As I said already, I failed both. Easier to explain why did I failed
promoting, hehe... Basically I miss three important for it characteristics :\
Poor English (I learned in these 3 years more than leanrned during 6 school
and 2 univercity years), which doesn't allow me to build easily "as bird sings".
Lack of patience (or is it called 'lack of impudence'?) - I can't remind about
my finished project to Sv each time I see him (so my last zone wasn't checked
by Sv since hmmm... late 2000?) And main - not agreeing with Valar about most
important side of game: what's more important, fun or roleplaying? Well, even
this - last - one is enough to be struck forever on M-Mw level...
 
  But ok, one doesn't need Ainurs' blessing to become warlord, so let's try
this one! Oh well, if only you know, how much I did on this way...
  First, I quickly learned that when I'm lost in unknown zone - I'm going to
be tracked down in matter of mins (if I don't move), or gonna hit some dt or
aggro mob group (if I move). I mapped all Arda (with help of friends though).
Now I have enough of this map in my head to be able to spam from the Well of
Ancients to necklace loadspot, or from the Deeps of Moria to foci creating
place without checking paper maps.
  Then, I figured out that fullsetted one always beats naked one. I did
everything to learn all about smobs, strategies of doing them, and eq that they
load. After some time I was pk'ing only if I have "basic" set - which includes
full clothes/armour set and enchanted weapons for hitter, or maxattack staff
plus ok defence/spellsave sets for mage.
  I noticed that all warlords use some clients (first year I played on plain
telnet). Downloaded powwow, then zMUD (when I lost access to unix machines),
and programmed it pretty well. Who knows? maybe I have most well-configured
client in MUME. Who else have 100k settings file contaning aliases and
triggers - in text mode (i.e. not counting flags/variables/etc what appears in
client after you load textual script)? Who else have trigger programs (allowed!),
for example - autolead/autoride trigger which leads when leader dismounts/leads,
dismounts when leader dismounts only, and does nothing when leader zblams?
  I spent countless hours reading logs of known warlords, learning from their
mistakes and remembering their tactics. I can say about almost any pk situation:
"Aha, this I already has been seen in log of ..."

    GUESS DID ALL THAT HELPED ME TO WARLORD? NOPE.

  Once I realised - bah, due to stupid feature which makes wps decay in rent as
soon as during playtime I should play more often. So I decided to cheat a bit
*stare* I earned enough money to not work for 3 months, left my work (didn't
liked it much anyways) and tried to play every day 10 hours a day. Failed
achieving graduate degree due to it - who cares? I'm gonna be warlord!
  Did it help me? NOPE. I still stay on same, warleader level - having simply
wasted another summer, ran outta money, and going seek for another job.
  So plz don't say that (for example) Norsu, Lowyn and Zaber are clueless, and
made themselves #1 warlord just by playing 24/7. It's NOT ENOUGH to become
warlord, you need something else as well... What do I lack?
  Maybe too old (I'm 24) - i.e. not berserk enough?
  Maybe I type not fast enough - like 120-150 chars/min?
  Or just natural lack of luck? (hehe, sorry for quibble :P)
  It must be something very important, if lack of it makes you worse than
Warrens Warlords who never move w from Neni or sw from OOC (no, I don't mean
trolls); Newbie Warlords who have no idea where fine chain pops but non the
less walk in full sets; warlords who don't have any lev 30+ char; etc...
 
  Then. I had not so much time to play before, and often happened that features
that I was going to use was already disabled/changed when I leveled char of
some class to legend. Let's see some examples:
  I still remember times when Shag and Harfoot (Furfoot? or some other alike
hobbit?) was fighting for #1 warlord place, when thief was able to run from NOC
to Bree sneaking, never stopping to regen moves. I leveled 2 thieves up to
legend .... guess what happened? They changed regen, and these chars gone to
forever retire. Too low con to reroll it to max, too low wis to get bob with
reroll.
  I leveled defence warrior - same change made him impossible to run around
without bobber following him permanently.
  I leveled BN to be fear of newbies near Fornost-Bree - they changed shitty-
rangers to powerrangers.
  And at last they changed flee! Which made my best char (guess who) and orc
warrior - both with 12 dex - fail alot of flees, and suffer from INSANE delay.
 
  I tried to play solo mostly. Because of two reasons: 1) more wps from kill,
2) what fun is to be one of many? I wanna rock solo! So what? Ones who don't
give a shit about 'roleplay fights' (i.e. fight to death or run like hell) get
demoted. Management encourages unfair fights - because of roleplay reason as
well. Players used to play solo alot in the past now hugegroup and trap.
Sanced warriors flee on fine hps - they can't risk to eat bash, because bashed
one in huge fight is dead one (but, plz, explain me what point in defence
warrior if he can't stay and buff his casters?) Etc... need I bring more
examples?

  I tried to fight in group. Holy shit, how sucky it is! First, you don't get
wps at all. My orc warrior (grouped 95% of pk time) have 112 kills - more than
any of my chars. Guess his war status? Wrong, just involved in skrimishes. When
Gray with about 100 kills perma warleader. 
You say I had stupid leader? Well,
I tried to join Norsu... but he doesn't want me in his group. Legend warrior
with warsword. Guess he needs only level 50+ chars in full shining.
  Second, what fun is it? Run around in groups of 5 killing anything below hero
level in 1 round? Or sitting for hours in trap? Noone knows how SHITTY I felt
myself when luring solo Stormblast - one of fairest players in MUME IMHO - to
trap of 3... Nice that he got out. Well, IT SUCKS, I can't add anything else.

  And the spirit... spirit of game becomes worse every day. No one thinks about
fair fights - everyone just wants all but himself suffer as much as possible.
Excellent example is constant destroying of staves. Darkie loots dead elf.
Darkie tries to corrupt staff, but finds out that his wil is not enough for it.
Guess what he does? Right, brings it to nearest troll to let him eat it. This
is right for everyone but few players. I always drop puke staves myself (if in
group, I spamloot and then drop it when noone sees it). Same goes for bn staves.
YES fucking members of the Management, I do it every time I kill one with staff
- feel free to check system logs and demote me. ONCE I had my staff back - when
one girl (SIC!) in enemy group looted it and dropped. Guess most of we, men,
are too hardskinned to feel other's pain. Noone still explained me the POINT of
destroying eq that you can't use and can't make profit of. 
You want me not have
staff at all? 
You'll fail, I just spent another 8 hours and make myself another
maxstaff. 
You want me just quit pk for as much time as possible? Okey, I quit
at all.
 
  I'm not saying farewell :\ 
You know, they made a game that is as addictive as
heroin - once you tried it, you will be back sooner or later, no matter how
hard are you trying to escape. Scrambling password or destroying chars doesn't
help - it just causes relevels next time you come to play. So I just retire my
mortals (except Gray - free rent anyways). And yeah, I also will sometimes come
to bother you with flames on Valinor boards :P Look at my account if you want -
tho don't try to pingflood these IP's when I'll be back: I'll never use these
adresses anymore.

Account> li
Characters in account `sergey'
Name          Rce Lvl   Logon Area     Rent    Delete Host
Tuor               Mc  2 hrs  DolGldr    free   never dialup031.junik.lv
Candid        elf T33 61 days Valinor    free retired dialup036.junik.lv
Corvin        elf W31 47 hrs  Rivendl    free retired hub.aviloks.lv
Gray          elf M40 14 hrs  Rivendl    free 12 mths hub.aviloks.lv
Santana       orc T26  6 mths DolGldr    free retired 195.122.31.246
Ulairy         bn M32 51 hrs  DolGldr    free retired dialup031.junik.lv
Varvar        orc W30 38 hrs  OrcCave 16 yrs  12 mths hub.aviloks.lv

  Feel free to see their stats/pracs/trophy on my page (about part). Btw still
curious, why not make accounts visible for everyone? This will not hurt honest
players, but will kiss ass of some idiots like Carniminimmiel! 

  Well... Just only goal I reached, it seems :) Many legends hate me because I 
"betrayed" them, revealing known_to_legends_only_information to newbies... But
when I come to GH waiting for white ship, and some newbie running past me
stops, gasps, and says "are you THE Gray? owner of Gray's MUMEpage?" - it makes
my heart warm :) Hope it provides ehough help as it is now... because I'm going
to stop supervising it, at least for a while. 
You know, replying to all mails/
checking new info/upkeeping/uploading takes much time. Way too much for me atm
:( Page will exist for some time still - until provider decides to nuke it for
not paying for it (which means like year), but I'm not going to check old email
- gray@junik.lv - anymore. Sorry...
 
  Okey. I failed to make you remember me as warlord and mighty Mudller. Well,
remember me as warleader and owner of Newbie Page :\ Today, 13.08.2001, I'm
trying to warlord myself last time in this year (or maybe not this year only).
I'll be back to repeat these attempts; but until then - bye:


  Bye ones whom I like so much

    Fingeror the Fasthunter,
    Zaber the Leader of NSL,
    Elestir the Nicest of .cz,
    Mammoth the Master of fiddling with doors,
    Nushenak the Berserk one :) ,
    Stormblast the Fair one,
    Magica the Lifesaver :) ,
    Antar the Expert of Smobs,
    Arte the... just nice leader and groupmember :)
  sorry in advance if I forgot someone...


  Bye ones that I don't like so much :\

    Mestan and Mumma the Preteen ones,
    YpsiloN and Grunger the HOTHEAD ones,
    Wryak and Fredde the Flamers :P


  And of course, bye (I hope - farewell, maybe you burn in hell to ashes before
I come back):

    p(Grang) - does he need any titles?


  Speacial bye to Ostu - my former labbie, who suddenly comes from nowhere,
raises himself from great renown to one of first warlord in two nights - but
still isn't able to explain me WHAT I do wrong, or teach me in any way...
*chuckle* :)


     -- p(Gray)
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Axel2001-08-12 22:59:04
All I didn't like about you was posting the howto's to the newest quests - all I liked about you, was getting stuck in the realms of a great game and doing anything for it, such as me or so much others :) see you back tomorrow, or in a month or a year!
Natash2001-08-12 23:01:14
U weird gray. btw, set different goals. i gave up on wanting to be warlord, i prefer change, so as soon as a char had around 30 wps i'd rent and forget it for a few months. Goals to achieve are ample though. I was proud i managed to trap stormblast with a handful of newbies (was highest at 17 (!)), but felt sad that i needed help to finish him (he blocked himself in, and asking someone for just one break doesnt work (u get 5+ extra). Best thing i ever was part in was 3 dwarves hiding in cellar, spamming close cask, killing several trolls and some orcwarlords. Log is out there somewhere, features Loin (as Goud), Grover and Kalevipoeg orso. Tricking someone that is better than you into dying, soloing a group of 3 through skill (and luck) is the sort of thing that truly means something imho. Being fanatic never helped anyone. And on a different note, Sic is a. a he, and b. never dropped any staves (they go into my picks :)). Besides, i wouldnt want to be remembered as a warlord or valar. I prefer the few moments after months of being away (read play different char) someone asks who else i play, recognises me, and INSTA have screenful of spam of WHERE WERE YOU??? from several players. Oh well, he who dies and laughs it away, lives to die another day.
Mestan2001-08-12 23:01:19
Harhar, you newbie!
Delfi2001-08-12 23:07:10
I didn't know you! Impressive farewaell BTW!
Everhate2001-08-12 23:10:48
He didn't last 5 minutes, he just storeported from us hehe.
Magíca2001-08-12 23:25:30
You're gonna be missed! :-( Exp a char to maia and retire all others? :-) Then you'll be on to chat some at least :-) (And btw thanks for that rocking page of yours, I always checked it when I was stathunting or checking out how some smob I didn't know is done... and I can't say how many 1000 ppl asked me about the PW :-)) Never gave it out though!
Mestan2001-08-12 23:29:05
The page is a fake, not 1 freaking thing on the page is correct, exept the things the
czeshs posted!
Ostu2001-08-12 23:32:26
Mestan, you still a silly child :p
Mestan2001-08-12 23:33:09
Yupp, but I have already done both your mom and grays! bahahwawh!
and how come ppl know my age? do they?
Desastre2001-08-12 23:33:12
Hey ! One chapter in this book was about me ! Gray logged his orc to ask me to drop his staff, and i said no, he asked again and i said no, that would be cheating, and then third time he asked i gave it to a troll... But seriously Gray.. your a nice guy, you know a lot about many things.. dont let small pricks like me stop you from playing ??? Moria will still be there, soon Rohan will open. You know the game is about more than pk, and when it comes to smobs/mobs you seem to be doing quite well. And one more thing.. you dont _need_ max eq to pk. I pk in what i got, and reeq on fallen pukes. And whenever i am close to fullset, i usually rip since i get braver and braver when i think i cant die. Just get basics, stop caring for the eq, and enjoy the game with whatever eq you got. Well.. i wont say goodbye since i know you will be back anyway. But for your sake i hope you manage to quit this fucking game we all hate to love.
Gray2001-08-12 23:39:15
Natash: 1) well, I just wanted to be in some list of best players which every1 can see... You proud that you rocked some enemies - but that's not enough for me :/ I want others know about it as well... 2) LAUGH! :) Never knew there is char named Sic :) SIC! = important! btw :) Magica: I have immo already, as you can see from my account :P
The Unknown2001-08-12 23:40:28
Since you're leaving, give us the password for your secured part?
Jalin2001-08-12 23:40:49
agree with alot of what Gray said, its just too bad most of
the children here will flame him and most of it will go right over
their heads. thats MUME for you tho, one of the best muds out there
and yet has one of the most infantile p-bases you'll ever see
Gray to Desastr2001-08-12 23:44:02
1) I know game isn't all about pk, but if you know all (ok, ok, 99%) about anything but pk - what point in exping smobbing anymore? 2) I have to die or to storeport from spamfollowing/spamhitting Norsu/Everhate groups even in fullset :/ Today just max set saved me from another pkdeath - Everhate failed bash when storeport was already going thru... So I dont understand how do you survive in 'basics' :/
Scott2001-08-12 23:52:37
Gray. when I was at university (2-3 years ago) I played some 8-9 hours a day 4-5 days a week and the most wps I ever had was 23, and most of them were from following somebody and spamming "k orc" a lot. I would love to be a warlord and a vala, but I have to stick to having an Mw and some chars with "skirmishes"
I suck at pk a lot worse than you do but I still really enjoy this game. I played a lot of games in my life and I _never_ got annoyed about dying like I do about this game it rocks... Dont leave us. Your site rocks btw.
Norsu2001-08-12 23:56:02
levels and eq isnt the decisive factor ..mooo
Unknown to Nors2001-08-13 00:00:15
Yes it is you fucking retard. How many lvl 1 elves you see clearing out warrens with magic missile!?!
morhol2001-08-13 00:00:19
so how it possible that u traped me with sigurd?!!!!!!
Everhate2001-08-13 00:04:02
Gray, hate to break it to you, but it wasn't your equip that saved you, it was that big glowing orb in the sky.
Mumma2001-08-13 00:26:57
bahah i made into the log. U still gonna have the lame page wich dont have 1 correct thing in it? :P wow u quitted for long too, must been 1 rl hr atleast
frodos2001-08-13 00:27:39
have fun
Gray2001-08-13 00:33:03
Clap to the new flee. Failed *8* flee attempts at entrance to demons, plus 2 while bashed. Well, result is: at last i dropped to great renown, guess last warlording attempt failed. Cya in 30 mins as Varvar (just need to waste rest time).
Gray to Morhol2001-08-13 00:38:04
Because, as you can see, solo players just plainly die? Only things left are traps and overkills *bow Everhate* Btw, as usual nobody dropped my staff...
Murghaz2001-08-13 00:43:41
I can feel your pain even though i am a man Gray! And that is precisely
why im gonna eat yer staff as soon as i get hungry again! MUAHAHAHAHAA
Asmandeus / Vec2001-08-13 00:48:51
See you on the battle field when you return.
Prist2001-08-13 01:04:54
Gray, you never warlorded solo because noone would fight you 1vs1 since we all know you storeport... and what is the point in fighting someone when you known they can just hit one key and be totally safe? And another reason you didn't warlord- you were too dependant on eq... i´f i remember correctly you even smobbed as a bn for eq... argh, bns don't need eq to kill pukes, at least i've always rocked most when I'm equipped with dbs, mw and some plain clothes... :P you rarely tried anything brave, you rarely risked your precious eq... if you want to warlord pukemage then it's awfully easy actually :P i believe i got 10+ legend bn kills in tbad in 2 rl days when I played my pukemage, equipped with plain clothes and eket, then gave up because i finally just felt so sick after sending several of my best friends to island... :P ohwell, take care or something... :/
Desastre2001-08-13 01:09:21
Seriously Gray... you dont understand how i manage in 'basics' ? Heck.. i die all the time ! But that wasnt the point.. the point is that i try, i kill a lot, i die a lot, and i have kickass fun. The moment you stop caring about living or dying, you take chances and you start getting kills (and you start spamdying if its a bad day.) Its only a game, and the warlord list isnt that important. The ppl you meet and the fun you have is.
Gray to Prist2001-08-13 01:10:37
1) I'm killable. Ask Murghaz and Everhate group. 2) What is bad in pkilling in full set? It makes enemies harder to kill or what? I still can't kill 10 bns in 2 day (in usual maxsave/+3 attack set). And OF COURSE I know you can kill fullsetted clueless puke as bn - but if there are 2 enemies with same level of cluefulness, fullsetted one will win (unless really bad luck).
Gray to Desastr2001-08-13 01:13:17
We have different goals. You can pk in basics, and can even get kills - but I'm still right that can't warlord in basics. Look at any warlord.
Leila2001-08-13 01:18:07
*comf* Gray. Sad to see anotehr long time player leave the game. I hope this is not the sign of the game moving away from the players who have (supported?) and played it for some years now. With some luck you will think about what has happened and decide to retun to the game with a fresh angle. *wave*
Prist2001-08-13 01:20:37
Gray, I've killed many clueful maxsetted legend pukes solo, both warriors and casters, both when i'm half-naked and when i'm maxsetted, it's not hard at all if you actually have good link and know what you're doing... and yes, i know that storeporters are killable, just not by solo bns... every hugegroup can spam down storeporter if they got lucky but how can a bn kill one, except in noport area? and good eq makes ppl wimps as i've noticed, hell, while I myself could charge 3 pukes in bakery w/o key as a bn when i'm naked without thinking, i would not enter if i had fullset...
Ostu2001-08-13 01:28:41
Prist got the point here actually. But I'm not going to play my bn with recent changes, because it means either you run in groups and portal, either you die to the first hardons you meet and fail cpl of flees :( Today I failed 5 flees in a row from the room with 3 exits, got bashed and nuked to bad. And that's with 15 dex and attack practiced. That's what you get for playing solo, heh..
Gray to Prist2001-08-13 01:33:46
How can fullsetted puke be clueful if he dies to bn? I for example never died to solo bn as fullsetted puke legend, with scrolls and rocks. And then, if you enter bakery w/o key on 3 pukes, your gonna die almost for sure ;) It's way to have fun, but not the way to get wps. Remind me plz when you was on warlords last time?
Chauncey2001-08-13 01:36:52
Who was it that said that MUME-pk is 50% Link, 40% Map-Knowledge, and 10% Luck?
Thror2001-08-13 01:43:53
Mhmh that post wasnt that bad even :P well for warlording you need right char clue and link nothing else and eq has little to do with it :P
Aschit2001-08-13 01:47:02
There are many factors to making warlords. I have warlorded on both whitie and darkie side (bn thief, only 3-4 others have ever done that I believe). These are the most important factors, not in any particular order: 1) link, 2) skill, 3)luck, 4) clueless enemies, 5) knowledge of game and the areas in it, 6) equipment, 7) groupmates/friends, 8) stats/skills pracced, 9)LINK, 10) LUCK. Just my opinion.
Corny2001-08-13 01:48:06
Puke mages are WAY to overpowered with staff so they deserve to work to get one.
Corny2001-08-13 02:10:44
Go Gray!! yeah your the best!
Lore2001-08-13 02:35:43
Gray. I have played here since 1994 and have pretty good knowledge of PK areas, etc. I have never warlorded (big deal I still have lots of fun). I tend to play like you do - solo (but probably WAY more aggressive style) ... on crappy American link to boot. Not too many solo-players warlord anymore. Even Relim for instance ... many of his WPS are from 'leftovers' stabs. He hangs around fights and picks off the wounded. It's just too easy for someone to get away from you unless you can trap or have some way of killing them in a single stroke (stab). And yes, you probably move along nicely but then die to some group or stroke of 'bad luck' ... like losing link and having some dork pk you ... and since you are solo no groupmates to save your linkless ass. Look over the warlords lists and ask yourself ... how many of these players have warlorded playing primarily solo vs opponents that have a clue (ie exclude newbie-hunting bns). I have not looked the list over but I'm 'guessing' you won't find any. *shrug*
Ostu2001-08-13 02:40:38
I did warlord on solo kills only.. But it's getting harder with a changes introduced to MUME :(
Drenical2001-08-13 02:48:21
If you need to smob up a fullset every time you die in pk, you'll never be warlord... takes forever. Smobbing is for having fun, and the nice eq is a bonus. Fastest reequip is getting your enchanted star and mw, drag a mage with ya and kill nearast orc warrior. Or as mage I guess getting a staff and sit tharbad 'til a suitable bn arrives.
vahn2001-08-13 02:53:28
I only can say, I really agree with Gray !
Prist2001-08-13 03:12:58
Gray, there are many ways to kill clueful legend ppl if you choose the right tactic and surprise him... pukemage enteres after you in closable, excpecting quakeduel, instead u silence him ans spamburn to dead... you flee in closable, pukewarrior enters and finds your charmed nobash mob waiting for him and he dies... jesus gray, use your brains some and think a bit... there are many doors on arda, waiting to be picked/blocked, many clueful and clueless enemies spamming around, waiting to be killed, many mobs, tricks, skills and spells ppl think useless, just waiting for someone to discover them and use them... i've been warlord twice, once with portaltraps, another time i was solo 99% of the time... all you need is brains, some courage and an average link... and about that bakery thingie... yes, there was once a time when i charged 3 pukes in bakery... no, i didn't die, i didn't quake, i just killed 2 of those with my 2 stored balls and 5-6 bolts because the only one with the key fled out after first fball, locked door behind him and never opened it... was it fun? for me, yes, for them, prolly not... if fun is all you're looking for then screw eq and wps, just go in pk and have fun... is it really that hard? after all, wtf is eq in MUME? it's just some fucking lines of text goddamn... :P you can find that actually many opponents will fight you until either you or they are dead (*big hug* Nushenak:P), avoid hugegroups, don't use lame features of this game yourself (*cough*@storeport*)... and gray, I believe I was warlord 2 months ago, don't remember exact date but if you want then you can go back some pages on mume.net and search for log where fullsetted clara dies to me and warlords me, i retired soon after that... and Ostu, you're completely right, this new flee fucks bns completely imho, I pkdied 3 times during 2 rl days of playing when I took Prist out of retirement for a while and ended my short session with mobdeath in moria.... at the moment i really doubt if my favourite char can ever return to arda since considering nowadays fleesystem, bns are barely more than 100k xp to first pukegroup...
Gray2001-08-13 04:22:36
Well Prist... When I'm drunk and wanna kill without caring about my deaths - I go play CS or Quake. In MUME basically you have something to lose when you get killed, and gain not fun only when you kill someone. It's why I care about eq, and don't like to lose it often. As about diff tactics... you know, you can't prac every last spell as one char. Soon enemies will figure what do you have pracced, and what they can expect from you. But if you going to retire/reprac every 2 months ;) it isn't way to warlords - too high wp loss in retirement.
Gray2001-08-13 05:06:50
Forgot to say: I'm going to stop reading mume.net as well. 10 logs per day take like another hour rl - can't manage it anymore. Comments on this log will be my last comments, all future comments in my name consider fake.
Rogon to Aschit2001-08-13 05:50:39
11. If a legend shows up, run over as many rivers as possible (DONT PLAY AT WINTER!) and hide thoroughly until noquit is gone, then CAMP.
grunge2001-08-13 06:07:48
The thing I liked about you was that you tried to help newbies. The things I didn't like about you were 1.) your attitude as if you knew something but you didn't know shit about it 2.) the way any new piece of information that may have taken someone as much as 3 months to solve would be instantly shared to others.
Map knowledge and typing skills are important in pk, but the most important thing to warlording is link (after mapknowledge). I've have had warlords for short periods of time of all the different classes/races (cept troll) and it is not very important. If you want to warlord, get a link <100ms and don't die (even if you hafta storeport cuz you suck :P) and you could reroll your dex higher on your chars instead of whining about how they are failed now. But please, just don't ask like you know something when you don't....cuz there are many parts about the game which you don't know dick about.
Almariel2001-08-13 06:09:42
I am sorry, Gray, you sound like a nice guy and stuff, but what you essentially
mean by the post above is that you were on a powertrip (both up above and down
below) and failed. This has become and arcade game for warpoints and
legendequip. Whatever the reasons, few people go around trying to have
simply fun anymore. It is all about superthis, superthat, warlordthis,
warlordthat. There are just a few prominent counterexamples,
like Steele (a lot of the older players actually are), and most
ppl who try to do that without pking end up under peer pressure
to do so. Somehow in the last few years storeporting and sticking
west of Bree became this horrible faux pas. Sorry, kids, I don't
feel like high school anymore. Go out and have fun (as Gabe and Steele
like to say). If pking is fun for you - do that. But if the only
thing that you consider fun is having your name on warlords, I feel
sorry for you. And, yes, I suck at pk.
Devastator2001-08-13 08:26:40
I really hated you posting quests on an internet page. COMON!!! but further more i must say your map of arda and it's system rocks but I know u didin't make it but some cool friend of urs=)
Have fun rl and good luck=)
Roman2001-08-13 08:32:16
Everybody knows that you are a lil looser !
Toe2001-08-13 08:36:46
This is why I still hate the WP system.. I've seen several people go away from mume (and coming back?) b'cause of loss of wps.. I've never cared for wps except thought it was cool once when this char was 5 wps from wlordlist or somethin (when we could see the actual wpoints). Skip trying to be famous and just play for fun! I hate seeing people ruin their RL cause of this game.. It's only a game, and in 10 years noone are gonna remember who was warlord or maybe even what mume is. If you'd put all that effort you've used on mume on some rl stuff you'd prolly been somewhere! I mean, who puts that much time and pasion into work (boring) rl ? Take care, get a job and log on to Mume for fun, not for the glory! It's simlpy not worth it!
Roman2001-08-13 08:37:52
and about education :) I am going to be a BIG MAN soon :) So poor lil Gray, I'll take care about your soul - you will be my personal trash cleaner! muahahah!
wellknown2001-08-13 08:38:25
Well, Gray, this is damn bad you quit after all that hard work you did, but really... If you had learned all this information by yourself not from others, even tho with many years, you may have been warlord (and playing berserk sometimes helps:). But after that demote I really doubt you ever get higher than Mw. Anyways, your page was ment to newbies for help, I understand, but truely this ruined alot. You see, discovering areas and quests and all stuff is one main point of this game... And you took this away:/ Comf tho that your goals failed, cya around soon:)
Roman2001-08-13 08:44:21
forgot to add: I hate you all and i want BMW
Zomb2001-08-13 09:44:34
farewell Gray, Romka, sho takoje >bmw< :)
Zomb2001-08-13 09:45:15
*pat* self, u mean a car ! :) *gigi*
Clara2001-08-13 09:48:18
Well, i really think you do something wrong with Gray ;( I have worse
link, worse clue, worse map knowlegde, worse everything actually and still
had no problems with warlord. All what is needed for a puke mage is a quickbolt
key binding.
Zomb2001-08-13 09:58:27
whispers to all: (a Clara SOSET :) )
Arhar2001-08-13 10:01:32
Gray a vodku az tvoi otjezd kogda pit bum ?
Roman2001-08-13 10:19:44
I forgot to add that Gray is addict, try something better... suicide maybe :)
Rza2001-08-13 10:21:01
grey you had your head buried too far in game mechanics to have fun. bye
Niya2001-08-13 10:39:19
Taken care and hurry back :o)
Niya2001-08-13 10:39:59
eerr... "take" even :o)
a snot2001-08-13 11:13:39
Eheh those goals and the obsession of achieving them was really hillarious, Ihope you were joking, right? :P As for warlording 1.You can't learn tactics good enuf by reading logs, or from listening to others. 2. Saw some lists in comments but know this: As long as your fingers tremble and your head goes empty in important situations, you won't be a frequent warlord 3. Maybe you were just too _slow_? :P (you missed me in hated list btw, I REALLY wanna be there considering some of the names in your lovelist)
Bulba2001-08-13 11:35:14
On a many thinks that you wrote in you farewell i have the same opinion. Spirit of game fades away, new changes are rather detrimental.
I play mume 6 years with a 2 yers break. After this period i realize, that became warlord isn't it what i want from the game. I wanna
fun, fair fights (no 5 orc warlords vs. char below legend lev). It's no fun. I'm only 1 time saw Norsu without followers. And what's happend ?
Norsu ... most powerfull warlord in game (as i heard) run before two legend pukes (no warlords). I spit at your fame Norsu. Many other
players (dark or white) are more dangerous as you, when playing solo. They uses their experience and better tactic. This is kind of fight,
that i like. Experince and tactic vs experience and tactic. Stuff is unnecessary.
But ... close now MUME book. To Gray ... i wanna met you again on MUME. I will be glad, if you get a fight with me. And storeport is only
a kind of tactic used by both sides without exception. Maybe pukes more :-) But last time i saw some difference bns with storeport so soon
will be rate 50/50.
Btw. sorry for my english. Language isn't still very well after those years :-(

a snot2001-08-13 12:04:47
and uhm a good char helps but is by no means neccessary, I have warlorded all my legend chars but 1 (who i never play)
skill helps2001-08-13 14:12:05
but more important a skilled pk"partner" Noone evre warlords on pure solo kills except for stabbers and some lucky bastard having lucky solo on warlord.
Porien2001-08-13 14:57:32
Game is fun. BTW, Clara - you are just a stupid tbad dude.
Gray2001-08-13 15:44:23
Devastator, Wellknown and other roleplayers: it's why I dont agree with da Management... I really don't think that point of this game is exploring and finding out how to kill smobs. It becomes boring after you learn it. I think main point is pk and competition spirit in it (i.e. warlording). // Toe: well, these months was crazy rush :) Hope in future I'll play like 2-4 hours/day, after work or so, and it wont ruin neither my rl nor war status :) // Clara: I *have* quickbolt binding! I even have bindings to change spell speed, and bindings to change position modifier. STILL DOESN'T HELP! *laugh me* // Snotty: *apol*, I really forgot you :P You should be in Flamers list along with Wryak. But hey! Today Durcano tested me if I'm slow - got negative result :P Well, I really should learn some tactics... dunno how though (if 1 month - real time - of pk doesn't help)... // Arhar i vse nashi: pit' budem segodnja, potomu chto u menja bilet na zavtra, na 18:05. No ja ne mogu vas poimat'! Nado sozvonit'sja kak-to, Morfizm'a najti... Zvoni mne domoj? // I nakonec Roman: ty zaebal. Esli ty ne ponjal moe sostojanie, ja pojasnju esche raz. U menja ubity vse legendy, Gray svalilsja dazhe s warleadera. Ja proebal tuchu vremeni i deneg. A ty shutochki shutish? Za takoe oblivanie govnom pri vsem narode stoilo by pizdy vydavat' konkretnoj, sorry. Tem bolee, esli eto ne shutki... *grin*
newbie2001-08-13 16:02:52
the way to get wp
- be in huge group fight of famous ppl10-10 then wait untill all you're 'friends' are dead.
- by that time the enemy has gotten a lots off wp, thats when the hard part starts couse you have to kill them all (or some) :=) - and get out alive :=).
FAT chance :)
GORETONGUE2001-08-13 16:20:21
I feel ya. You are right on a lot of things you say. Give up the quest for glory, and play a Troll when you return. Take pleasure in devouring those FUCKING STAVES. Maybe by then mgmt will remove GLOBAL COMMUNICATION channels and TELL cmd. cya
Lefali2001-08-13 16:36:17
Nice to see u r earnest. I like such ppl :). I think ur goals was too crazy,
but u are prolly such person. About wrong spirit of game: I dont care about ppl
that do wrong things, fight unfair fights etc. Since it makes my life more easy :).
And i can always find ppl that will fight fairly with me.
The best fun in this game i found is to play with friends and have adrenalins fights :).
Abelian2001-08-13 16:51:08
Farewell gray, hope to see you online in the future. By the way, your page rocks.
Khozdul2001-08-13 17:07:42
Well, to don't die in pk all you need is a good friend who allways can help you like Khazdul! *Kiss khazdul*

and was the last lines u wrote polish?
Aredhel2001-08-13 17:11:54
Tvoyu by energiyu, Gray, da v mirnyh zelyah.
Unknown2001-08-13 17:43:31
Natash2001-08-13 17:44:45
My bad... anyways, just came to give one last bit of advice. Why care what other ppl think?
Frode2001-08-13 18:26:27
Gray you started MUME right and finished wrong
You started with mapping,chatting what's supposed to be fun. Then you started running after warpoints :)
Why Mume turned in to whine and pointless runningaround?
Bcause of so called warpoint system :)
Most of the time ppl just running around trying to catch some lucky kill on some clueless players or sit in some stinky place for hours to get a lot good kills on players with clue, as they dont have (almost) no chace for escape :)
My advice to you ... keep playing and try to laugh at mume managment and lame players like i AM :)



Movin2001-08-13 18:35:46
Alas, these are bad news indeed! Gray the expert of items can't just stop playing. It was your marvelous page that helped me to get into the game. How shall I now get your password, and how shall I now make friends with you, whick I always tried to. I will be waiting for you!
a total fucking2001-08-13 23:43:48
hmmm...just something i remember...one of my rl-friends one time long ago asked you if it was possible to beat sauron thru the palantir (or was it saruman?-nevermind, that's not the point anyway). The point is, that you told him that you were 100% sure ther wasn't any sauron (or saruman) in the game. Finally, my friend was so tired of arguing with you, since he knew he was right, that he mailed you a log where you can see someone wrestling sauron (or fucking saruman) thru the palantir. So much of gathering information in 6 years...Not trying to complain or so. Too bad you're quitting. your site have really helped me by the way....
Everhate2001-08-14 00:03:33
Norsu wasn't always level 80 Gray, and his 'followers' like Baresark and I weren't always high level either. When I first made Torment, Norsu was around level 45 or so, and I certainly didn't have shining. Warlording is nice, but also has it's drawbacks. If you warlord, people always find reasons why you shouldn't be there. I've warlorded something like 12 or so chars over 8 years, and most have been flamed for differant reasons. First I lead groups, then I can't lead myself, then I can only play warriors, etc etc. You will never be brave enough, skilled enough, or cool enough for some of the masses of Mume, your best bet is to play for you.
Misery2001-08-14 00:05:22
My feelings resonate with a lot that has been said by Gray and others , as I too have spend far too much of my life playing this fantastic game, BUT my approach (and advice) is similar to that of some of the commentators (and to an extent Gray): Play MUME and have fun - it really is a unique community, more than just a game - when you stop having fun, do something else for a bit, try to balance your life (again). (I largely agree with Prist too; flee changes mean that I won't play my favourite character, Misery, (again perhaps ... sigh).

Good luck with whatever you do Gray and try to rember us fondly for the good times.

Misery
Misery2001-08-14 00:05:30
My feelings resonate with a lot that has been said by Gray and others , as I too have spend far too much of my life playing this fantastic game, BUT my approach (and advice) is similar to that of some of the commentators (and to an extent Gray): Play MUME and have fun - it really is a unique community, more than just a game - when you stop having fun, do something else for a bit, try to balance your life (again). (I largely agree with Prist too; flee changes mean that I won't play my favourite character, Misery, (again perhaps ... sigh).

Good luck with whatever you do Gray and try to rember us fondly for the good times.

Misery
Zack2001-08-14 01:20:39
Its a pretty sad state of affairs for Gray. Of course it is the same for most players. What is it exactly that makes us all waste our pitiful lives on a game of text that gives us no reward except maybe to type better(Thats the only thing it helped me in =) )? for Gray, he considered quitting his job and dropping out of university,if i read right, all for a game! I mean what is the future for all of us?? I agree with the fantasy role playing, taking your mind to different worlds and all that crap, and meeting new interesting people over the net, but is it worth taking up your whole life?? anyway thats my spiel and hear hear for gray quitting or leaving temporarily, he may just get something out of life in the real world!
Gray2001-08-14 09:19:19
Gore: are you kidding? Playing troll on 300+ ms .ru link? Means either entering dark rooms in 2-3 ticks before sun, because of possible freeze (which is boooring), or never leveling even to olog (because of sundeaths). I didn't dare to play troll even on my former .lv link... And if I do, you can be sure: I'll never eat puke staves. // Aredhel: laugh :)) ja poprobuju :) // Natash: what point of playing MULTIplayer game if you don't care about what other players think? Play Nethack (or Larn) then... // Frode and Zack: I call it competition spirit, only thing that is fun for me, EVER. Too bad health rl to go in for sports, so I try here ;( still not too successfully tho. // Total newbie: you are right, you can see Saruman in palantir; and I'm still right, there is no Saruman mob in open zones of Arda :P Ask some still active players about such thing as 'mudlle' for more information. // Everhate: I know most of it already, and can manage these drawbacks IMHO... Tho you still didn't made it more clear: wtf is wrong in me grouping with you or Norsu?
Gray2001-08-14 12:26:37
Gray ti MUDAK, kakogo ne pozvonil i trubu ne bral :P
The total fucki2001-08-14 22:31:15
I am not sure, but i am pretty sure that you said there wasn't any Saruman mob in the GAME, not just in the open zones...
The total fucki2001-08-14 22:34:12
I am not sure, but i am pretty sure that you said there wasn't any Saruman mob in the GAME, not just in the open zones...
nushenak2001-08-26 15:36:40
nomatter what they say gray, mume wont forget about you. Maybe not for your pkskills, maybe not for your hundreds and hundreds of 50+ chars but for your mapping and help to newbies (the source of mume). I am glad you remembered me and i know i wont forget you. I think everyonce goal with mume is warlord, so was mine. BUT i realized that reaching warlord dosent prove ME as a good pker, going solo and having fun would. If i warlorded by playing the way i do with nushenak i would know i am good...=)
see ya i hope
Fredde2001-08-26 20:53:54
sorry gray, was abroad so couldent flame until now. i kinda agree with snot, thos life goals or what you would call them was friggin hillrious. you actually lay down your education so see this "Warlords Hall Of Fame. 1. Gray the Noldorian Elf." on an internet based game. someone should stop sniffing glue... =þ
Roman2001-08-27 10:17:29
shoot me then :) tut telki i vse takoe :>
Wryak2001-08-28 17:44:21
Dude you're so freaking pathetic it makes me sick!! doh I don't read mume.net anymore so didn't notice this till Fredde pointed it out. I actually liked you a bit, though your morals aren't as high as I'd like. You take things way too seriously etc... but still, I'll miss you, I think, and will keep up the memory by continuing my flaming w Fredde :)
Boofhead2004-09-16 10:16:25
The game is not the same anymore

*sniff*
Urogh 2004-10-02 22:14:08
How long has it actually been without Gray?
Björn 2004-10-05 13:29:06
A few months now.
Lessar2004-12-30 01:53:45
HAHAHAHA, now there is a Saruman mob. *chuckle*
Morrandir2005-01-15 23:15:25
Yeah :P I wish Gray would still play and I could see, was he really such a nuisance as everyone says (by looking at all the flames...)
Remon2005-01-16 01:56:13
So what is the password to the secure part? ;-)
Andróg 2005-01-16 12:57:22
Actually, Morrandir, when it comes to Gray online, then he used to be one of the most helpful persons around. Always willing to give information, ready to help and such.

Why people disliked him was that he also tried helping those who didn't need any help. ;)
Joacim2005-07-12 09:09:36
Androg, please get laid? :) I cant enter a single site with a forum of somekind w/o you beeing knowned there or spamming like mad... :D

Morrandir: Imho gray was a good guy, I never complained about him, never saw a reason ;)

People were just flaming him because he was careful(?), I mean... show me ONE mage without stored teleport nowadays... :)
Boofhead 2005-07-12 13:47:45
rofl Joacim
Andróg 2005-07-21 21:12:28
Joacim, you found me guilty of spamming because I posted here once like 7 months ago? Ok, so be it, I'm guilty of that crime.

Contrary to what people might believe spamming actually takes little to no time. Only thing which does take time right now is the religion-philosophy thread on ER. (Those who need to know know which I'm talking about.) And that thread is interesting, not just spending time.

Besides, you're spending far more time playing a mud than I'm spending time writing in forums!

So, ... please get a life? :) I can't enter a single working mud w/o you being known there for playing!
Dianos2006-08-25 14:31:39
You helped a lot of people, Gray. You may have quit before I started, but you even helped me!
Thanks for playing.
Unknown2008-07-09 21:42:49
Gray, for what the future has in store for you, please try to have fun. That is the missing part, it's what makes the split second or decision, when your brain is having fun it is working optimal. Your fault was taking Mume serious, it's a game Gray. Play.
Dorfl 2008-07-28 22:22:38
UnKnown,

thanks for letting your opinion know about a player that quit 3 years ago. I'm quite sure he checks this page every day ;)
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