erm yeah you were stupid Julm

You'll find no sympathy from me.

How ironic. Yavanna, who acts like a Nazi, beats up on Julm, who talks like a Nazi. If the two of them ever get married it will be the start of the 4th Reich.

Sigh, just grow up?

I think you guys are missing the point. I broke no rule with my whois. Like what the hell is wrong with you 'liberals'?

I'm just so sick of the V+ attitude like they own us or something. You don't own shit. You don't own a car, a wife, you own shit and a stupid account with a password.
I get pissed when some stupid little shit behind another computer starts fucking with my mind. I'm not the kind of pussy to take that.

Your mind is corrupted. They play it like a fiddle. You belive everything your buddy tv sais. You'd all be kissing Hitlers ass when they would have won that war. If you think the jews, who won the war would write history books like things really where then you're fucked up. You don't think they would exaggerate or overreact or make shit up? It's always done like that. But thats another story.

Anyway, if you are going to vale people you better learn how to explain how they go against your bullshit views. That's what really gets me. Your inability to explain things.

Hahahaha, hilarious :):):)
I think Yavanna was way wrong about changing his title, but on MUME there's no such thing as freedom of speach..it's pretty much a dictature, which makes one wonder why they dislike Hitler so much :D

After all, what's going on here is a pure racewar where whities kill darkies...and running the show is a dictator who do to people as they please..i can clearly see the connection :)

Good point.

yeah fuck the whities!

If you dont like the game...dont play...anyway the game need NOT neo-nazis

obviously Yavanna doesn't have a wife...

The last comment was really retarded. Like yes, you have proven me wrong because yavanna isn't sopposed to have a wife. Why point this stupid shit out? I was adressing it to all of them you tit.

Jum, do us all a favor and kill yourself for being such a moron.

Oh, and the Arata own MUME. You know, the mud you just got put in your place on? Now shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here you crybaby pussy. If you don't like how the OWNERS of the MUD run it, then go away, we won't miss you.

Julm, I won't bother putting you in your place about history since 1, you're a racists asshat, and 2, you're probably that dumbass crapsack. I look forward to seeing you win a Darwin Award for removing yourself from the human genepool when your idiocy gets you killed.


For the record, if you think Nazi propaganda would've written a more 'truthful' history than the 'jews' have (why do retards like you think they had anything to do with winning the war), then I again ask that you kill yourself for being such a moron.


The rest of you have a merry christmas, and a happy chanukah.

Julm, better keep ya dumbfuck head away from me... Else i would cut ya motherfakking head to pieces...
Hope ya fakking quit this mud and wont come back again... Nazi fuckhead

Oh my fucking god, I saw you so many times around in MUME, why didnt I ever killed you? Man, if you know that ppl in Yavanna's place own the game, you cant do anything against them, if you dont like how it is, quit (YES PLEASE DO), and stupid cunt, please please kill your self and do the whole world a big favor, damn I cant believe the bullshit you talk about Hitlerasskisser get out of our fun game and take your skinhead propaganda out of our lives...

And Sogard, god I totally agree with you, you got brains, not like this prick fuck cunt Julm, omg sry ppl Im pissed...

Ohhh btw, Yavanna didnt suck, ermmm YOU DID FUCKING ASSHOLE....

Oh my.. Im so scared. He is really going to kill me.. Oh I am going to die. Oh my.. oh dear.. what shall I do?

WHAT ARE YOU 12!? Unknown little piece of wuss.

Ok Sogard the buttfucker. Don't be such a uber wuss as to say you could show me my place when you would give me a history lesson and they say you too big of a wuss to do that. Start talking history teacher Dipshit.

What is it with this cheap ass line: Go kill yourself?

Oh sry, I'll give someone else the pleasure.
I hope you get killed.

My german isn't so hot, what did the whois say?

Meine Ehre heisst treue (My honour is loyality).

Err, calm down? Yavanna told you to change the whois, either just do it or ask why. The rules aren't like laws, they are guidelines upon V+ act. Apply common sense. Just because it's not against the rules, doesn't mean it's along them.

I did ask why and I recieved a stupid explanation. Didn't I? Wasn't it stupid. Yes I did and YES the explanation was extremely stupid.

The problem Mandor is that there is no 'Justice' in mume, and thats what pipsses people like Julm off. When you claim to offer people a fair 'trail' per say and you go against that, people will get pissed off. To me personally I might find Beer offensive, now according to mume guidelines, any whois/title that is offensive will be removed. Now if I complain you seriously think Yavanna will change her title, or will they even listen to me? Its the pure hypocricy that isn't right.

I have to say that there's quite a major difference between beer and what Julm had.

Complain all you want, I will listen, as long as you make sense.

Funny comments.

What is so awesome about this entire thread is that even when Sogard is half right about something, he still comes across as a moron. I think it is because he is 100% stupid, but has about a 50% chance of picking the right side of any discussion to ruin with his rambling, inarticulate hyper-gibberish.

My only "Crapsack" thread on this thing is one of the funniest, most debated and interesting in the history of mume.net. Unfortunately, poor Sogard is still stinging so bad from the humiliation of it that he keeps trying to build a fake Crapsack he can best. He should try building a better Sogard (although that does seem unlikely). He could at least try being smart enough to stop popping off (again, that does seem unlikely).

Finally, the only thing to fear about words is the truth underlying them, if any. Julm is not a threat to anybody except a few weak-minded puddingheads (yes, like Sogard) because he borrows a phrase from a vanquished ideology. It wouldn't even be that bad for Sogard because at least he would get some exercise playing stormtrooper in his mom's basement and practicing the goose-step. I'd rather hear what Julm has to say, so I can decide whether or not to like him. At least, he's up front in his views. Yavanna handled the situation poorly, as usual, and upset the little fellow. One of these days she will do that to someone who appreciates the vulnerabiliy of MUME and shuts the whole place down permanently.

Now, just leave Crapsack alone. I'm dead and lovin' it

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas.

Jeeze,i hate to jump on the bandwagon....but do the world a favor and die. Mume has enough douche bags to deal with as is.

You are living proof of that.

So you people are flaming Julm for quoting some supposed naziproverb and daring to stand for his opinions, and in the next sentence you tell him to die?

YOU people are the only idiots around here.

I think the quetion is that if written in english (loyalty is my honour), would it still have been nazi propaganda or just a noble phrase? I don't know.

Removed a comment stating "Retards like xxx need to go suck a fuck and get a clue".

Calm down, ok?

For the record, if you think Nazi propaganda would've written a more 'truthful' history than the 'jews' have (why do retards like you think they had anything to do with winning the war), then I again ask that you kill yourself for being such a moron.

I love this part. This kills me.. By saying that you just admitted me being right. Basically you said: Yes they did make up shit about the nazis, but so would have they about the jews. Boy that's got to hurt.. you little nancy-boy. Well, about that jew part. If you haven't already figured it out then it would take a long time convincing you. So i'll just throw in a few quotes:

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear : Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

-- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.


"President Clinton behaves like an obedient child of Israel and does not know how to say 'No.'"

-- Nahum Barnea, Israeli writer, Washington Report, July 1996
page 17.


". . . today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them . . . They invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy, so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that they can enjoy equal rights with others . . . With these they have gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power.

-- Mahathir Mohamed, former Prime Minister of Malaysia, at
the tenth session of the Organization of Islamic Conference,
October 16, 2003.

So they are not from ww II, but it doesn't matter.
And everyone knows that the jews where all the key players when it comes to the Soviet Union.
More quotes to come.

"The Israeli Prime Minister has a lot more influence over the foreign policy of the United States in the Middle East than he has in his own country."

-- Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his book "They Dare to
Speak Out", page 92.


"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate . . . somewhere around 80 percent of the senate of the United States is completely in support of Israel -- of anything Israel wants."

-- Senator William Fullbright, Chairman of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, Oct. 7, 1973, on CBS' "Face the Nation".


"I know I was elected by the votes of American Jews. I owe them my victory. Tell me, is there something I ought to do?"

-- American President John F. Kennedy speaking privately to
Ben-Gurion, page 90, A & L Cockburn 1991.


"The Capitol Hill is an Israeli occupied territory".

-- Patrick Buchanan, St. Louis Dispatch, October 20, 1990.


Ok it doesn't really go into the subject so I'll stop here. Ok I hope you get the point. It's just that most people know all this and don't care. Some know and think it's wrong. But some idiots just wount get it.

Mandor, could it be possible for a V+ to veto a veto?

Apparently people go berserk when they hear the word nazi. It's not like I yelled out 'Sieg Heil' or handed out Mein Kampf at the fountain square.

I made a char and named it Adolf. No more, no less, just Adolf. Whois is empty and no title. Valed. All people called Adolf are racist and nazi now? Yes, having a name like that is heavy nazi propaganda.

good job quoting an islamic leader who was flat out wrong you stupid skinhead.

Unless you can somehow prove otherwise, and we know you can't, Stalin, Lenin, and those responsible for the creation of communism were not jewish, nor were the Athenians who created the first democracy.

Where would you like YOUR lessons to begin you ignorant child? perhaps we should start with your brainwashed views of the Nazis being distorted by the jews. Now, the majority of my history professors have oddly enough been either Russian or english/spanish, but if you can find a credible historian who can claim, with fact, that Hitler and his party, along with his final solution, were lies or exaggerations, feel free to point it out to me, but I know you can't.

Long before hitler ever came to power, he had begun to write about his ideals and how he'd create a perfect world, wiping out the weak(old and sick) and evi(jews), and giving living space(russia) to the germans. Also, what i said did not make you right, you simply twisted my words to suit you. To be blunt, only an utter moron would believe that history (which despite what skinheads like you think, isn't something controlled by jews) would be much more truthful if it had been written by an extremely racist regime which was attempting to wipe out a type of people that was given the blame for the problems of the past. why don't you try to tell me about the shit that was made up about the nazis? I know you can't, and I'm calling your bluff. oh, and when you made Adolf, they knew it was your account, and given your recent history, they valed it. i'm sure that you really do wish they were bigots like you though.
It's sad that you can't see why the US supports a jewish state in a muslim land, or why we turn a blind eye for them in so many ways. for all of their believed power they have over the Us, they still don't realize that our support is the only thing that has kept them in existance. It's easy to control a puppet when they believe they are the ones

pulling the strings.


As for you crapsack, you've been put in your place so often that you've become dillusional, and your thread only had the support of other idiots like you, who refuse to accept the way the owners of the mud have the name policy setup. I really wouldn't be supprised if you are Julm, because both of your problems are about equal in stupidly. If idiots like you don't like the way people run their mud, then leave and don't ever come back.

Sogard: I know, little man, everybody who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. Your such a smart fellow and we'll all see that when you attain comprehensibilty (although that seems rather unlikely). Keep ranting. You are just Yavanna's lapdog. All bark, no bite.

Bwahahaha I can't wait. I haven't finished the stupid shit you wrote but Lenin was of jewish origin you moronic baboooon.

Children raised by wolves know that virtually all of the important Bolshevik leaders were Jews. Fucking wolves know that!

Leon Trotsky(Lev Bronstein), Grigori Zinoviev, Lev Kamenev, Lazar Kaganovich, Yakov Sverdlov want more? Because I can make a really big list. Sogard, you are so damn stupid.

And let me guess.. you didn't know Karl Marx was jewish? Dude do yourself a favor and don't talk anymore. You're stupid enough as it is.

As for you crapsack, you've been put in your place so often that you've become dillusional

As I have seen it.. it has been almost like you're getting YOUR ass kicked on the news Sogard.

rofl @ nazis. ive seen stupid arguments and fucked in the head ppl before but they sure are the gurus of mindless babbleing.

Veto a veto? That's by definition not possible.

Overrule a veto though, why should we?

Just curious. So if one person overrules yavannas decision I'd be out?

Put a sock in it Uimane. Raudselt mingi VHK hipi narkar. Suck a tailpipe, junkie.

One person of a higher level, sure. But I don't think Manwë will.

Anyway, this discussion doesn't lead anywhere, bye.

i dont know you, dont care about your silly remarks. I just state the truth. Nazis are pretty braindead people. Respect them if you wish, bow to their stupidity, like i care.

Can't you find anyone else to worship than the nazis? They were CONQUERED, DEFEATED, DESTROYED, ANIHILATED...along with their ideals and that 1 mm pricked one-nutted half-jew closet-homosexual of a leader fucking piece of shit worst human being that ever lived on the face of the earth and certainly burning in the ninth level of hell for eternity leader pussy bitch Hitler.

I'm not going to tell you to go kill yourself or something like that like most others here.

Instead I'd tell you to go get a REAL EDUCATION instead of studying only those lessons which support your fucked up ideals and then trying to spew that filth here.

Julm wrote:
"Just curious. So if one person overrules yavannas decision I'd be out?"

I'm siding with Yavanna of course, which doesn't really increase your chances "to get out".

MUME is not a place to manifest political messages. I don't care what it is - it doesn't belong in MUME. I have of course even less respect for fascist and oppressive stuff like the above. So as long as anyone is trying to do what Julm did above - I hope an active V+ (or Ms perhaps), will be around to fix it.

To the last unknown twerp:
How can you call Hitler a
"1 mm pricked one-nutted half-jew closet-homosexual" and a "pussy bitch" and think you are one bit better that Julm? You demonstrate an intense bigotry towards the handicapped (1 mm pricked), the jews (derisive use of the term half-jew), gays (derisive use of the term closet homosexual) and women. Hitler may well have been the most despicable person who ever lived, but you are pretty bad, too. You need some sensitivity training.

It was, however, probably okay to call him a "fucking piece of shit."

man this is funny stuff

Gimpy Bruce - I dont have a homophobic bone in my body, and I have two sisters that are handicapped, I couldn't care less what religion someone else worships or believes in. I was merely pointing out that Hitler (allegedly) fit several of his own what he considered inferiorities. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you over this but I think you rush to conclusions way too fast if you think I display 'intense bigotry' and maybe you are just looking for that sort of thing. Where on earth did you get from my post above that I have something against women? I'm surprised that you didn't find some R-word in there too. Better luck next time.

It's really sad and depressing that you people belive only that which is on the Discovery channel(owned by jews btw). And for Namo, read before you speak ok? Good. Because facism isn't and has never been prohibited in any country. There still are facist parties in the world and they are getting more support by the minute. So go cry.

MUME is not a place to manifest political messages. I don't care what it is - it doesn't belong in MUME.

Don't come here saying I would have been it trouble if I had 'Hooray for democrats' in my whois. I just woun't get it, why it's such a big deal to have a sentence from the SS belt buckles in my whois. Could anyone please explain the propaganda part. I'm still waiting.

Oh and don't tell me what belong and what doesn't im MUME when you have christmas trees lying around. Is it hard to think of a better name for them?

Uimane, kui sind ei huvita siis pole vaja vigiseda siin. Kuradi debiilik.

loll oled lihtsalt

ROFL
ROFL
ROFL

With every day I see, how MUME sucks more and more. Julm changed his whois and still he got valed...

Yavanna tells you 'mine does not contravine rules'
contravene - what kind of a word is that? It's contravene... And about the rest of the log and this moronic thread - I say: delete it, please!

All the people who have expressed their political views here have shown that they are no better than each other and therefor i find no F***ING point in this log.


Delete it.

ROFL. I won't even bother posting in this thread. =)

btw, Merry Christmas to Crapsack! =P

Eh. I'm not getting any deeper on this subject other than saying that, if memory serves, it is in the rules for whois that any whois must be in either english or one of the languages of Tolkien, so a German whios was, actually, in the wrong.
Would it have been better if it was in English? Who knows, I'm not even going to wonder.

I've seen many ainur who don't have their whois in english. And I checked and it said in english. So that would mean elvish or whateverish languages aren't allowed either. But who gives a shit about that.

Sabbath, su whois on kõva!

Has been fun but it's time for me to leave this game. I could't fart without them being on me anymore so yes.. have fun you all. As for Yavanna. Well.. I hope you die a horrible death. Bye.

Oh almost forgot. Sogard, you're dumb:P

Julm, reading the last three comments left me with 2 options. You either aren't reading what other people write at all or you got no clue at all about Tolkien's world. Caejis wrote "whois must be in either english or one of the languages of Tolkien" and all you can manage as a responce is: "So that would mean elvish or whateverish languages aren't allowed either."

Like, ahem? *peer* Doh?

I said i checked didn't I. Go check www.mume.org. click rules. Select whois from the list on the right. And I sais: Whois should be in enlish. Androg, reading the last comment left me with 1 option. You aren't reading what other people write>:P
Now leave me be.

Like, ahem? *peer* Doh?

Julm, I see you still haven't killed yourself, that's unfortunate. If you truly left the MUD, then we've all been left with a much better game. Nowonder hate groups thrive so well when they have so many fools ready to believe them. keep thinking the world is ruled bythe jews and that they're evil, i have a journal form my great-great grandfather, a german who served in hitler's army, that describes things that you'll never be able to disprove.

I'm suprised that you wouldn't like the dictatorship of the Arata, afterall, your role model was a butcher who's acts were only surpassed by the Famines caused under Stalin, who was the only persn to create concentration camps that could even come close to hitler's. Maybe if you come back you'll learn to shut your mouth and do what you're told by those who own the game you're being allowed to play. MUME is a privlidge, not a right.

Crapsack: If you look at who sided with you about names, you'd see that yes, they are known idiots, much like you. I've shown you why you were wrong more than enough, and i know you won't accept it, so you're a lost cause, much like Julm.

i have a journal form my great-great grandfather, a german who served in hitler's army, that describes things that you'll never be able to disprove.

Yea there was eem.. this eem.. green alien, who eem.. told me that eem.. hehe you suck.

I loved that concentration camp part. Did you know that jews where the first to depot people? No ofcorse you didn't. Read the history about the sumerians the confirm that. Beat that. Well aren't they holy?

Sogard, you are still a idiot. Try again.

I meant TO confirm that.

To the unknown bigot:

You ask: Where on earth did you get from my post above that I have something against women?

The fact that you don't recognize the underlying disrespect to woman by using the term "pussy bitch" is just more proof that you are an insensitive, brainless lout.

You are a sick human being. Get some counseling.

Exactly what's your point Julm? Can you summarize it in bulletform, 5 short ones?

I strongly believe in the idea that every person has the right to be free, and to have freedom of speech. Who can decide what ideas are right, and which or wrong, what we can discus and what we can not. Nobody has that right, anyone who claims that they do is bad as hitler was, in regard to controlling thought anyway.

However I believe in a right to private property, to private groups and clubs, so if the Ainur, and ownership of mume wants to say no nazis, that is fine, it is thier right. If they say no jews, no blacks, no communists, no whatever, its thier decision. so in the end julm you screwed unless you manage to sweet talk em into having you back, I mean hey, the let snakr back in right?


I think we are all smart enough to determine whether something in history is true, or if it is false. I have seen enough evidence to say that the Nazis killed millions of jews, only on the basis of thier race, and religion, they killed millions of serbs, mainly because of thier race.

However maybe you can mention some of the things from your relatives journal, I would be interestted to hear it, also the level of education of your great great grandmother, and her age when she wrote it.

Giggle.

Sogard quit acting like a dumbass :)

I see nothing wrong with the whois other than it being in German, since that's illegal, there isn't much to discuss. Julm, translate your whois to Quenya and be done with it :)

As for Valing a char just because it was called Adolf, that's pretty silly imho.

Well, I once (when being very bored and at least two years ago) created a character (bn) named Stalin. I was forced to a name-changed pretty quickly. Historical figures are simply not tolerated as MUME characters as far as possible.

But about whatever those lines in german meant. I believe there should be one extra line added to rules whois - Whois may not contain anything related to real life politics.

There, and we'd be done with the whole problem.

Ain't there a ainur named Caesar?

The saying, once translated, is noble, its origin is not. But obviously against rules for not being in English. I am also curious as to how your grandparents might have viewed the war. I fail to see how anybody can honestly justify that sort of treatment to any human being. The fact you made a character named adolf may not be a horrible thing, but you know damn well you would had tied it into some nazi world cleansing crap.

I'm quite pissed off by people who keep comparing the nazis with 'the jews' (most ridiculously because that incident with the sumerians was like thousands of years ago and todays jews don't have much in common with people who lived back then), the soviet union, mume's management and what not.
All those others may have been cruel and such but the Nazis are a completely different dimension: The Nazis murdered a whole people in an industrial way. Hitler set up a plan called "Endlösung" before they actually began killing people in the concentration camps and this plan was known and agreed upon by most people - so they just carried it out. The whole thing was planned and well structured from the beginning. Everyone knew what they had to do; everyone knew what they were doing. It's not like some secret service guys killing a few people because they are the opposition or something - no, it's millions of people agreeing to kill millions of other people in an industrial, planned and structured way - like it was producing cars or something. It's also not like war because in a war the main goal is not killing people but conquering some country or forcing the enemy to do something. Of course there may have been wars where many people lost their lives and that's sad enough but it was not directly intended that they die. The Nazis goal in the context of the Shoa was killing the jews. Nothing else.
You can't compare that and anyone who positively refers to the Nazis also spreads their ideals among which is "the jews are evil" - with all it's consequences. Of course Yavanna could not persuade Julm of anything, but he could let him feel that Julm's propaganda (and yes that SS proverb is propaganda; just think about what honour and loyality usually means) is favoring a world he wouldn't like to live in - a world where you get killed just because you are jewish for example. That's why I would have done the same as Yavanna.

GimpyBruce is a pussy.

Well yavanna is a stupid, she have proven it before and will prove more no point to argue with stupid people they will not get smarter from this. Also she is a woman and no point to expect any intellect from a woman so live with it and dont try to prove yoruself.

Siilen Do not talk about things you do not know.

Lets get to the point here....

Whois:
"Meine Ehre heisst treue"
meaning:
"Loyalty is my Honour"

Problem:
This is the motto for the Schutzstaffel (SS), in further detail, we read a second quote from your whois and get.

"Legion Estland"
meaning:
"Estonian Legion"

heres the list of crimes attributed to this section
of the SS.

http://www.russiaeu.org/ss-est.htm

Now, put either of these sayings apart, and they can not really be considered to be anything but sayings, put these two together, you have a supporter of the 'SS-Einsatzgruppen', which, in itself, commited massive hate crimes.

MUME, does not support people who wish to bring hate crimes down upon others, whether it is coming from (Neo)Nazis, KKK members, Al-Queda, or any such group, these sayings can easily be conisdered very offensive, especially to those who are survivors or are related to survivors of such ordeals as the slaughtering of Jews in the Second World War.

The other thing is, people like Yavanna, Manwe, Vaire, Alkar, Mandor, and the many other V+ that we have on MUME, should be treated with a hell of a lot more respect then most people have shown lately. This people are DONATING their time, so that YOU, may play this game. The aren't payed for this, there is no reward besides gratitude, and even this, pig headed children do not give them. IF or WHEN you make a mistake and break a rule, be apologetic, prove that you know you stepped out of line and that it will not happen again, and you will be treated sympathetically. Otherwise, I hope justice treats you with the same respect that most of MUME's players show the V+, NONE.

Oh come off it Kril, there are many who'd be delighted to be in a V+ position and who could do a much better job of it too...they're lucky they got the chance.

Nice choosing the russian bolsevik site to tell us how history really happened. Im really drunk so I woun't say much.
SS-Division "Wiking"(And all of it's sub divisions like "Wiking-Narwa")where never accused in any of the "crimes agains humanity" shit.
Let's just say(because uber-retards like Kril would never-ever understand this) that legion estland=wiking narva.


This part is the best:
"Legion Estland"
meaning:
"Estonian Legion"
Meaning what, i ask you? Like what the fuck are you saying dude?

Kril, you suck. No I take that back.. you really suck.

Oh something else i spotted:
especially to those who are survivorsor of such ordeals as the slaughtering of Jews in the Second World War.

Yes, 80-...year old people play this game constanty..

Kril, better don't touch that subject. I'm pretty sure you definitely aren't enough of an expert when it comes to that particular part of Estonian history. :)

Julm & Crapsack wanna join my new clan?

Say hi julm i was trying to find you in game for ages bcoz i dont visit this site much.

First of all mine all family (fathers side) was killed by germans in WWII

Second Julm and i grouped together and even gave tell eachother when not every time online

When Julm came up with Adolf i said i was jew he said he doesent have anything to against it and i can post a log if neccesary

Jewish lobby is strong in States and was strong in old Soviet Union but Stalin send jews to gulags bcoz he hated them but then again he sent lot of people to goulags.

As for killing serbs im half Serb living in Serbia and i should mind but i dont.

I think problem is that you all attacked Julms political views and he was forced to defend and you all spit on him.

Julm is my friend as much as friend over internet can be specialy in mudding bcoz it takes effort to be friend.

I think that maybe Julm should make compromise about whois for gods sake he goes to highschool and is very smart kit both intelectualy and emotionaly he just didnt need this debate bcoz you are trying to chase him away.

Antisemitism is one thing nacizm is another nationalism and shovinism are others as well as patriotism.

In trying to prove his point julm opened debate and got spit on by many, and he is not some stupid kid. He felt that his inteligence was challenged. You should make compromise Julm must come back to game and i hate Nazis to fuck i have a BIG reason to hate em i mean MANY of the PEOPLE that should be my couzins now are not bcoz they got cremated.

Julm come back plz and give me yr email by mume mail at least we can play some other mud or stay in touch and sorry i found out about this shit only today.

And Julm let em be if you are interested in playing mud not showing how smart or well informed on informations and propaganda.

Say and you guys you should have calmed him dawn he put lot of effort in making his chars.

Julm best to send it to danguba this char is what im playing bcoz i lost three lvls and come we go mines again like good old times dont make this pissing contest you should known better and to those who said to this poor fellow to go kill himself you are acting like wimps all grouped against one man to chase him from game he contributed not like ainurs but at least as player

Being jewish had nothing to do with being sent to a gulag by Stalin. The purges were, among other things, ways of removing any possible threat to Stalin, it was more of a political than racial purge.

Stalin killeds lots of people lot of them just for example but he hated jews speciali bcoz Lenin was jew and lots of other important people where, and it resulted in sending loads of jews gulag.

paja, Sogard is right. Stalin had no special grudge particularly against jews. His "sending people to gulag" was more of a political thing. He sent everybody there, estonian, latvian, armenians, etc.

I just spent the past 5 months studying Stalin's life. He had no hatred of any religion because of X or Y being of that same denomination.

Besides, Stalin's feelings towards Lenin were nothing compared to what he thought of people like Trotsky.

Well i dont have quotes but i remembred lots of conversations on antisemitism. I also remember lot of conversations about Stalin. One of them explains that his antisemitism was based on the fact that his wife was jewish. I cant compete with you guys exept if you give time to go over sources again.

One thing is for sure Stalin was cruel make it very very cruel and some people find justification for that cruelty in higher intersts and effect of firm hand and firm system as well as dictatorship in time of crisis.

Anyways i will take the fact stated in consideretion in further converstatons on that topic and try to learn moore.

My main point is grouping against high school guy who is well informed on one view of a problem is one thing, and he gave you a fight of single sided arguments that i would probably pass.

Trying to chase him away is another thing and as i said

i can quote this from my logs

One log:

!# S>
Adolf tells you 'it's me julm'

Other log:

!# C>t julm im in gh reception tell julm im in gh reception
Ok.

!# C>
Julm has arrived from below.
A pigeon has arrived from below.

!# C>t julm im a jew :)tell julm im a jew :)
Ok.

!# C>
Julm tips his hat.

!# C>gigg
An elven woman leaves down.

!# C>
Julm says 'cool'

!# C>You giggle.

!# C>
Julm grins evilly.

!# C>say well part
An elven woman has arrived from below.

!# C>Ok.

!# C>
An elven woman leaves down.

!# C>
Julm says 'I wount hate you or anything'

And before that and after that we xped together and he is great player well informed and invested a lot in mume.

Let the man play and be nice.

Thats my point.

Thank you Paja. That was really nice of you to say all that.

It's just weird that their conception of a nazi does not differ much from how they act. I see them differently and who is to say who's right. There is a good quote I'd like to bring out here. It was said by Winston Churchill and it went like this:
"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it."
Has anyone read some chronicles that are written in the middle-ages by christians? I mean they are hilarious. For instance vikings with horns on their helmets(it's quite sure that there never has been a viking with a horned helmet by the way) raping and slaughtering people for fun. And do you know why it's all a big load of ....? It's because they hated them just like the people who wrote the history about the nazis. There are few people who can and have the right to judge them and certainly one of them is NOT(underlined, point some fingers at it and with a big exclamation mark) Sogard.

Some people hate junkies, some hate smokers, some russians, whites, gays, nigerians, pie and so on. But when it comes to jews then all hell brakes loose. Why are they special? I don't hate them all but most of you have predjudiced attitude about certain groups of people as do I. Like for instance I bet most americans see all arabs as suicide terrorists.
But put that all aside because my whois didn't contravene with any of the rules exept for the english part. I didn't know that. And now I do. But the funny thing is that obviously Yavanna didn't know that and the explanation as to why I got valed was psycho-babble.

I checked my char today. Was there really a big need to take all my stuff away? I could have given it to someone who needed it. It was a perfect set for a hero thief.( I haven't checked Kunn or Vaps but there really isn't any point in doing that anymore.

MUME was a great experience and there is no mud like it but the management and their ways of solving things really stink. I've seen so many good players leave because of it and that

is really sad.

Fuck.

you're right, vikings didn't ever have horned helmets, or pillage. All those stories passed down by their decentants about such things arelies they made up to smudge their ancestry, and even stories like Beowulf were groundless as far as using culture and religion.

God, why are the bigots always such retards? you're such a clueless person tha I hope you're sterile, because the world doesn't need any more of you. you're right, I have no grounds to judge anything compared to you, what do I know, I only fucking study history you moron. I've probably read more books and stories from various countries than books you've read total. maybe if you had atleat made it through high school you wouldn't come off as a complete idiot, but let's face it, you're so stupid and easily brainwased that it's no wonder you simply refuse to accept that your racist teachings could be wrong.


Name some good players who have left for reasons such as your stupididty in arguing with the imms about changing a simple whois.

Sogard, don't make a fool out of yourself. Are you trying to convince us that medieval chroniclers were *objective*? Ahem? LOL?

you're right, vikings didn't ever have horned helmets, or pillage. All those stories passed down by their decentants about such things arelies they made up to smudge their ancestry, and even stories like Beowulf were groundless as far as using culture and religion.

And here you really show that while you may study history you're still dumb as a rock. It's historically proven fact that vikings didn't wear horned helmets. (Of course there can always be exceptions, but generally)

And it's funny how only thing you can do after such a post by Julm is flame... but I guess most of the World can't cope with even tiny bit objective views on history anyway... always have to take a side... ever tried *not* taking a side and then looking at something?

Sogard, are your views really that fragile that they can't stand next to mine? Is your god weak or are you?

Where is your fact then Androg? Vikings often decorated their armors in various ways, some of them did have 'horns', which were often antlers, but horns nonetheless. Like many other cultures of the time, they did their share of warring and pilaging. As for my reply to Julm, it's hard to be subtile and get through to someone who is dead-set on the idea that everything we're taught is a lie fed by the Jews.

Julm, you've yet to have an arguement that holds water, as you simply fall back on the neo-nazi propaganda of everything we know being fed to us by the jews. your views are nothing more than racial hate fed to you easily because of your weak mind which easily accepts and helps to continue to make sure the world has plenty of hate,

Vikings often decorated their armors in various ways, some of them did have 'horns'

Erm? Did I say that *none of them never ever ever had any horns or anything like that*? No, I didn't. However often the chronics of that time tried making them look a lot worse than they actually were. So, while it might have been some one guy with big horns on his head in a viking group they noticed that as something notable and wrote that (all) vikings like to wear horns. It's historically proven that generally - majority of vikings did on wear any horns on their helmets.

They used horns to sign attack, or bombing, specialy in sea traffic. Just didnt wear them on belts but on helmets.

lol?

I was the one who complained about the whois after seeing it with one of my mortals. It is a SS-Slogan, and the player was confessing to be proud of the Weapon-SS. As the Weapon-SS did the atrocities of Oradour and Sant'Anna di Stazzema (just to name two), I complained. The Weapon-SS is nothing to be proud of. If you want to express your proudness (and prove yourself an idiot) about a criminal organisation, do it somewhere else, but not in MUME.
I didn't know about Julms history with Yavanna. If I had knew, I hadn't ask the gods to make him change the title, I had asked them to delete him.

Would you people please mind to learn the difference between Weapon-SS (army) and ordinary SS (just smth like secret service)? Celebsil seems to have either skipped too much history lessons or is just utterly clueless about WWII.

Unknown, get a name, a clue and shut up. I know the difference. The Waffen-SS was not "army". It was an armed force, but the German army of the 3rd Reich was the Reichswehr. It terms of international law the Waffen-SS were technically irregulars.
The Waffen-SS was part of the SS, and, being an integral part of the SS that could not seen seperated, forbidden together with the SS by the allies. I suggest you read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS and (if you are able to understand german)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS

Celebsil, just one thing to you.

And I won't blame you missing your history lessons as most probably this was never taught in German history lessons.

Julm is an estonian, as you might have noticed. And the history things aren't as simple here, it's not quite that black and white. If you came here and told everybody that everyone in waffen-SS were evil and criminals and so on then... well, you will get lynched. At more rural areas you'd probably get beaten to pulp and left barely breathing next to some random tree.

History is never quite that black and white and those men (lots of estonians) had to choose what side they are fighting on. I bet it was a "fun" deciding job, want to be in the same boat with Stalin or Hitler? Yet, if they wanted to fight for the freedom of Estonia they had to choose because otherwise they would have had no chance at all to fight. So the uniform was simply a way of having access to weapons so they could fight (and in their hearts hope they're fighting for Estonia's freedom not for One Big Germany).

So, all in all, I think it's pretty stupid to say that some people were criminals just because they were parts of certain organisations. The rules are always made by the winners and only the losers get punished. No matter how many women the russians (and probably english and americans too) raped, no matter how many shops they robbed and no matter what else they did when they conquered Germany in the end of the War, still NONE of them were accused of any criminal actions at all.

at lot of you stupid fuckheads did not get what the nazis where about! I cant believe this. Think about all the shit they did and why they did it. Think about what a big looser hitler was if you look closely at him. Visit Auschwitz. And *then* come here again.
I cant believe how stupid some people are. And they live on the same planet as them! Shit, shit, shit!

I want not comment on this Neonacis Issue...I only see that most management are no roleplayers and should not be there. Only roleplaying Vala is Phier..as strange it may sound :p

Actually, I really fail to understand, why some people just can't accept the fact, that their countries have also done something bad in the past. Russians/Americans/Germans/etc are all war criminals. Yet some of them won the war and can now say, that they did nothing bad. Oh well, such big nations who can wipe out other nations never care. However, I thought that only their leaders are like that and commoners think otherwise, but as I can see from this thread, I was wrong. Shame on me.

I don't post here much (if at all) and I don't feel like writing an essay that most of you all could obviously do better from their own frame of mind (even julm). But here are a few neat things: notated in bullet form as someone above requested.

First: Why nit-pick about speling errors anywhere from anyone. Damn, are you perfect? I'm not.

Second: This debate has strayed far and wide (despite what side I may be on), so either get back to the topic of the whois and rules concerning behavior/action(s)/cooperation (or lack therof) or go find a neat message board for this mess to be thoroughly torn in 100 different directions at once.

Third: Julm is right cuz others history is wrong. Period. Everyone that did not go to his history classes or looks at selective quotes differntly should pack it up. AND vice versa: Julm is wrong cuz he didn't read normal history books and so on and so forth...

I think that Julm's repeated arguement that "our history is wrong and always has been etc etc" makes this whole thing reducilous (spelling see!) anyway. You can't argue with him, and he can't argue with everyone else. It's the perfect arguement, no one is going to be converted either way, simply hardened in thier OBVIOUSLY and COMPLETLY wrong views (both sides *hic!*).

Get back on the whois debate or go away / shut up.

D

Ps - i think the insults on both sides are retarded.

pps - i think peeps need to learn what a HUGE paragraph is and how to separate them for ease of reading.

pps - hitler was wierd in his hypocritical nature, ill give whoever said that credit there.

ppps - my grandfather saw concentration camps but will not speak of them. The jews started them? news to me... jews = lemmings. wow. I'm done.

D

Wow, I really wanted to resist but I can't I must point out that in my last post I never once said that in accordance to my views/opinions/observations/etc/etc/etc, Julm's brain is made of mashed pineapple hull. I'm very proud of that.

No really, You guys didn't know that! I can't even talk to you due to the fact that your science teachers are ignorant and not even as smart as a pack of singing cats in an alley in dumbville.

Btw, the moon really was landed on by humans... when Zigor Wiza Hairypairatesticles landed there on his balloon... Not by the USA!

God HOW could you guyz not know that.

Btw: about the xmas tree vs the whois

They are very similar except for the fact that the whois elicited direct complaints... We're there any / as many complaints about the Christmas tree?

Management? The question goes to you...
D

Dangit... I'm sorry... I'm really done... I just don't understand why this hasn't been posted here before.

>rules whois (check it yourself if you haven't in all the spam name calling)

BEGIN QUOTE

All whoises are subject to veto by some of the higher gods.

If one of these asks you to change your whois,

for whatever reason,

you should comply

or risk bansite or temporary suspension of your character.

All whoises must must be in English or any of the languages used in Middle Earth.

END QUOTE

I see at the very least 2 infractons... clear infractions as well...

I am not speaking on the matter of the V+ having priveleges of course only on rule violation and request violation.

2 violations... at least one un-deniable... and the other (though im sure there will be debate by Julm (his debate with Yvanna (spelling?) is the source of this whole post)) at least in disagrement with the portion that states

"If one of these asks you to change your whois, for whatever reason, you should comply"

I think you should be thanking her for a second warning. You tempted fate and the rule of the gods (aka management aka your superior in this game aka whatever) and you lost.

Boo hoo...
D
I'm done.. attack me personally all you want.

Well I could have had a better time shoving hot pokers into my eyes than reading all of this mess.


I agree with Yousha on a few points and I will touch on them here. If something is a complete reality to an individual (as in beliveing "all jew are evil") Then that person is speaking the truth.

On the flip-side of this if a person believes with all of there being that grass is purple with yellow polka dots, it doesn't mean it's right no matter how true it is to them it doesn't change that grass is green.

I do have a question for Julm, did you not say you were through with mume? I may have read it wrong, you may mean that you are just through with the mud not the message boards. But if not then why are you still here? Don't think I am urging you to leave I have not/nor will I bring in my own views but when you say your going to do something do it.

As for the insults I think that is just childish. Why can't you have a civilized debate.

As for the V+ there word is law, if you don't like it then that is just a crying shame that is what you agree to everytime you play this game. I don't like the laws in Mexico guess where I don't go, your right it's Mexico.

this has just gone on for to long start a diffrent post or get back on topic


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Second: This debate has strayed far and wide (despite what side I may be on), so either get back to the topic of the whois and rules concerning behavior/action(s)/cooperation (or lack therof) or go find a neat message board for this mess to be thoroughly torn in 100 different directions at once.

Yousha, topics in web-forums never stay on topic. ;) That's simply in their nature.

Maybe someone made this point before, but this thread has been so long that I forgot.

IMHO, it is irrelevant if Julm is right or wrong about his whois. What _is_ relevant is that apparently he got quite a few people upset by writing it, for reasons that, good or bad, are really out of scope of a MUD. I personally believe that the moment a lot of players are upset by your name, whois, or title, you should give it up - or be made to give it up.

Remember a BN called Adolf? Whether it was a good or a bad name, was really quite irrelevant when everyone who saw him on where started to pray and narrate about it first, and then tried to sameside him. I think he was renamed, and I think this was a right thing to do.

I didn't try to sameside Adolf the BN! I pounded his brainless head and shattered it in pieces!

Sorry Sogard but:
http://www.hot.ee/hj88/vicky.gif

I think ther should be rule against such obsceene pictures