You think mume.net is better than elvenrunes? After 5 people have made their decision, I shall reveal mine!

Obviously not.
Worst thing: ability to post anonymously.
And then it stroke me quite hard that in the link section there is no link to elvenrunes.

Wow that strikes me as surprising as well az :( Mandor! You need a link to ER :)

Perhaps elvenrunes could remove broken since 2002-Aug-30 next to mume.net link too :)

The best logposters and most amusing people are already banned from ER, making this the only hot place to be!

Best logposters ? Most amusing people ? And who would that be?

pBeremon and all those that are banned on ER.

Barely the best logposter. His attempts to edit out storeports in one log and hide other facts in others is not the idea of 'best logposter' nor 'good/fair player' . And i bet he was warned and i also bet ther eis a reason. Else he/you etc would whine much louder.

Name someone that has posted better logs recently then.

How's that warpmud coming, Aza? Axel treating you OK still?

I think the ability to post what you want without being banned by some lame admin on her period is one of the stronger point of this site. As for the logs, well, elvenrunes is hardly brimming with fantastic logs these days.

Mume.net might have had problems, but its admins never lied to its users. Mume.net was always just a logsite, for good or for bad, without any false pretense. Good enough for me.

As admin here I am not afraid of critizism or complaints. And I will not ban or censor those who want to discuss things with me in the open (or in private), as other sites I could mention.

And you might have noticed that I don't have any written rules that you must follow. I'm a believer in freedom with responsibility.

Azazello sucks a cow balls, how´s that.

lol, i enjoyed reading everyone's bickering but only one person spoke of what they enjoyed more, ER or mume.net. I like mume.net better because of what bogger spoke, i like seeing intruiging logs from people i couldnt see on ER. Besides, if beremon were to really storeport and then edit it out, wouldn't it be fun to try and see where he did it exactly? :)

Plus, it's worth a laugh or two.... I mean come on... ehe...

Thats a good demostration of your maturity and intellegence. Nothing new though.

Monami, we'll see you on that other mature and intelligent site, where people can actually take constructive critisim instead of silencing critics. Oh wait, wrong one...

Best logposters banned? Since when are Enforcer and Hate banned from ER?

Mume.net is full of all the rejects from ER.

I am happy to see there's been north of 15 logs posted since June 1st, some of them quite decent, and most of them quite entertaining. As far as I am concerned that's a Good Thing, and certainly a great success for Mandor's efforts. Perhaps being an "ER reject" is a good thing afterall, eh?

I would bann all Unknown comments to. And most people dont know anything what they critize.

This ER bashing make me sick.

Its nice to have a place like this where all the people who are affraid to use their real names can write whatever they think of. So they stay away from ER.

Btw if I would have a board like ER I would ban every user who doesnt watch his language and offend other people directly, except its someone called Bush ....

If you don't like reading what unknowns write, log in and set the ignorance flag.

Wojtek, this is a thread about which site people prefer. What makes me sick is that people call any kind of critisism - bashing. In that sense, ER folks are no different from G.W.Shrub. Yes, having unknown posts has its pros and cons, and we'd be happy to argue with folks over the value of having or not having them. In the open. Without nuking threads or banning players.

Excuse me, but do I not know what _I_ criticize? Feel free to update me, if you think you know more about my situation.

I'm not sure of what you think, but bashing? Is this even anywhere near bashing?

So, you'd ban anyone who doesn't think exactly as you do (or are too afraid to post what they really think)?

Of course it shouldn't go as far as harassing, but discussing is far from deserving a ban.

Oh the hypocrisy by the way, someone complaining that other's post in fake names or as unknown, using a name that doesn't exist on MUME. =)

First tell me one pro of Unknown comments?

>So, you'd ban anyone who doesn't think exactly as you do

Who is doing this? Anyone on ER? Please give me even one example..

And I love discussion and free words without any censorship, but not personal fights on open boards,
or any offending material

Btw I agree with porien, some people are immature and show not much intelligence in their words they chose ...

Oh btw intelligence comes from the latin word intellegere ......

Ok, an example: The ER admins. I know that Vairë and Lochdale were involved in the removal of several comments (ok, all of them) and threads I created for a while in 2002.

I was not fighting, I was not offending, I was even polite.

And from what I hear from others, I am far from being alone.

But please, do answer my other questions. =)

Pro's of Unknwon comments: ability of people to express themselves without repercussions. People have the right to express themselves privately without attributions, for whatever reasons.

Another reason: character separation. ER makes an assumption that people are by nature exhibitionists (i.e. showing all characters one has). We take the opposite tack. Several people, absolutely decent ones, expressed desire to not have any information associated with them when they post, even under their own character names. We provide many different ways for people to handle whatever privacy concerns they have: they can either post as total Unknowns, or create an account per character, or one account for all of their characters.

Hmm 2002 I was touring the world, so bring me up some comments here and I can judge them ...

What I hear from others is that the more mature people like ER a lot ...

I dont know lochdale but I know Vaire and she has never been unfair in any way to me.

Maybe its not Vaire where the problem is maybe its you?

Sorry I dont know you either so I cant judge here.

Which other questions you like me to answer?
I am glad to help you in any way.

And if its something you wanna discuss with me write me my email is on whois saeth, and this will be my last comment here.

Btw I plong a lot people on the net, this means they write like 2 times stuff which I rate - not worth reading - and so they get a nosee forever, even if they improve one day. Just an example ... its the only way to keep the usenet readable to me ... gig

Be well Wojtek

"Best logposters banned? Since when are Enforcer and Hate banned from ER?"

RoFl! Since when are they known as the best logposters?

Having a mature argument is getting to be a lost art? One where a person doesn't run out of the house, when he runs out of arguments? Ah well... I'll bite anyway (like I always do) :-).

You are funny Wojtek. You just accused the population of mume.net of being immature, and then dropped the argument before it came to bite you back. If by "others" you hear from you mean people from ER, well, you know what they say about self-fulfilling prophesies?

To get back to the actual topic of this thread, I'll just presume that you like ER better. I hope that with time, you'll get back to reading mume.net logs, like in good old times, and give it a chance it deserves - a chance based on more than hearsay. In the meantime, if it bothers you, you can register and begin to ignore Unknown comments.

I cant write a long comment here :(

http://www.q2web.de/comment.html
:( links not working here ....

so here is my last final and good night comment :P

and remember its nice to be important but its more important to be nice ...

// was me Wojtek

Azazello, not that you may, since you have taken this game way too far as a career in my eyes, but isn't the worth of playing a game to have fun? If not, then it's not worth playing unless you get paid.

Wojtek, I think you're confused if you think that arguing with people = not being nice. Obviously being a friend of Axel's, you don't like us pointing out issues with ER. You are unwilling to listen or respond to any potential problems, and that's your loss.

As for "proof by age", well, I've been on MUME for more then a decade. I've met lots of older players. Before getting acquainted ER admin, I never met such a defensive lot, when any suggestion would be taken as an attack, and the very notion that they can do no wrong is an axiom. Before Malmo kids got kicked off of ER, several well-meaning folks got censured on ER trying to make suggestions for improvement. One of them was threatened with a lawsuit. If you'd rather close your eyes rather then believe your friends are less then infallible, its your choice.

Nice? I am a nice person, I am told. Unfortunately, I can't stand hypocrisy - and "See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil" being a definition of nice is the ultimate hypocrisy of all

Wojtek is cute.

Its nice to have a place like this where all the people who are affraid to use their real names can write whatever they think of. So they stay away from ER.

I wonder how many people on ER use their real names. Unless there are people out there who have the names 'Roadkill' etc on their driver's lisence.

I don't know which is better. For me they are just different. Maybe i'll form an opinion later, but most likely i don't care enough and just will keep visiting both.

Where I come from, they call it a "healthy attitude" ;-)

I would say many commentors on ER are more immature than the ones here. On ER they have their right to comment completely bullshit, and ruin for others, without us being completely free about teaching them manners. Here on the other hand, all are still allowed to express their opinions, they can even get a new signature if they make fools of themselves. But the important difference is that here we can make them mature in any way that seems fittting.

I still remember how ER's most interesting thread got closed - Malmö Labbet - after people not even associated with Malmö started arguing about something else, and someone in the end felt hurt and complained to admins. That will never happen here when we reopen the discussion!

When, Björn!? I´ve been waiting!

Funny people here.

Wojtek wrote:
This ER bashing make me sick.

Well, I for one am glad there is a site where anyone can bash what they want without some admins with sticks up their arses deleting it just because they don't like it. ER has its place, but its main problem is that it's a filtered, censored site where everyone is wrapped in cotton wool and not allowed to say anything that might hurt someone's feelings. Personally I don't give a shit if there are threads with a thousand comments of people flaming each other, I mean who cares? If you don't like it don't read it. At least here you can decide for yourself what you want to read, rather than having a nannying administration make the decision for you.

What problem do you have with people bashing ER? Are people really that scared of criticism? I wouldn't be 'sickened' by people bashing a site I like, I'd try to respond with logical arguments, not by name-calling and closing threads and deleting posts in an effort to quash opposing views.

Argh, comments are too short on here. Carrying on...

I would bann all Unknown comments to.

Then make an account and block them. On here you can decide if you want to read anonymous comments or not, rather than having your nanny decide for you. Isn't that a good thing? Why do you prefer having your options taken away from you?

Btw if I would have a board like ER I would ban every user who doesnt watch his language and offend other people directly, except its someone called Bush ....

Well, what are you doing here? Go to ER where you can have the content filtered by someone else before you have to see it. Some of us don't mind language and offensive posts, we're not children, we don't need our meals pre-chewed.

Due to popular demand this site now has 100% longer comments.

Double the fun, twice the carnage. And do remember that Happiness is Mandatory. Good daycycle to you all.

And here I was starting to think that shorter comments is not a bad thing -- it makes one express one's point more concisely ;-)
(good anti-rambling device).

Yeah, but I foiled that evil plan by posting two posts!

Aredhel, noone is forcing people to reveal their characters on ER. Get your facts straight before you say something like that.

Oh and a bad thing about mume.net - Zain spamming pointless comments.

The good and important thing with mume.net is that it give you an alternative to elvenrunes (which recently has been full of shit). Its also more free which I like alot. As someone already said, you wont get banned for saying for example that you dont like W.Bush. Also a good thing. I think that elvenrunes are trying to hard to make everything good, it just comes out very bad and overdone. I mean.. rating comments? Cmon? Most important is that now we now got something to compare elvenrunes with.

Androg, can I create 5 accounts in ER for 5 of my different characters, so people wouldn't be able to see that they all belong to me?

Axel and Vaire can see accounts anyway?

(ook... it gives Utu and Lochdale some info they otherwise would probably not have, but still.)

Hello, my name is Elizalde.

And.....

I'm a MUME.net addict.

I've tried for what seems like several years to stay away from MUME.net, but I just kept coming back.

I even tried to turn elseware, to keep my mind off of this addiction. It failed. Nothing was the same.

I found myself here, even when it seemed empty to the rest of the world.

An addict never blames everything on themselves though, so I must name those who tie into my addiction!

- The little estonian, who filled my mind with silliness and laughter.

- The petite, but cute, black numenoreans, who felt they were constantly treated unjustly by the Free People and had to share their stories with the mume.net community.

- The few oddballs who had to constantly post some ramble on the last page of logs, very last log in fact, of such stupid comments and over such a long period of time. (I wonder if they thought no one else checked that periodically?)

- The most renowned COPPER ring to ever share its terrible story upon Arda to the public.

I am a mume.net addict, but I had help getting to that addiction point! Don't those who added to my addiction, deserve to be heard also? You can only hear their stories of glory, renown, or failure at one place, MUME.NET.

Snore to the bore thread! :(

Since neither mume.net nor ER is an official MUME site, neither can be asked by the Management of MUME to adhere to any particular standards or practices. (The exception to that would be the sort of information that other sites have been asked by the Imps not to post publicly, and I don't doubt that both sites would respect any request to remove such information)

So I respect mume.net's right to adopt a non-censorship policy. On the other hand, given that this means that every player busted for cheating will then feel free to log in here and make snide and derogatory comments about the individual who punished them, I don't think this is a site I will be much interested in visiting. But I'm sure you'll not miss me.

Let the flaming begin!

Well, if it only were so. However, if something really nasty and against Management wishes would happen Mandor would probably be the first to "get hit". And that's rather logical too. MUME needs to at least indirectly control what's being posted on it's fansites. Otherwise, for example (random first example I could think of), what if Axel started posting everyone's WPs on ER?

Re previous unknown. I guess you were not reading ER much. Obviously, everyone is quite free to log on to ER and make all kinds of comments about whoever punished them as long as that individual isn't Vaire.

Re Androg. Somehow, old mume.net never had a problem, and neither did the Danish logpage, and I don't see why new mume.net would. As long as fansites do not pretend to be the ear and the voice of the management, as long as their admins don't use god info and god powers, as I would like to hope Mandor would not (note that I am not pointing any fingers at people who do or did, but I am sure many of you can think of some examples), why would anyone in MUME management care what goes on there?

Don't ask me why they would, but from Vaire's and Axel's posts on ER they seemed to care A LOT more than it may seem from your post about what goes on on ER.

Err, maybe because the "as long as" part does not hold for them?

Interesting - I've seen on more than one occasion posts removed that are derogatory against at least one other V+, namely Nienor.

Amras should like, stay on elvenrunes? :P

Unknown (just 2 posts before this), please specify deleted comments?

I'm checking the log of removed comments. There are in total 4. 2 of them my own posts (from when I tested things, before opening) the third is from Bagger, who double posted and the fourth from Scar, who double posted.

Noone else than me have rights to remove stuff from that log, and I haven't.

Nienor, your cowardly attempt to post anonymously is laughable. Anyone can tell its you from the bitter-old-maid tone in which you post.

To Mandor:

"Re previous unknown. I guess you were not reading ER much. Obviously, everyone is quite free to log on to ER and make all kinds of comments about whoever punished them as long as that individual isn't Vaire."

to which the response was:

"Interesting - I've seen on more than one occasion posts removed that are derogatory against at least one other V+, namely Nienor. "

i.e. Despite Unknown's accusations to the contrary, the ER Admins will remove this sort of derogatory posting, even if it is not at all related to any of the ER staff.

I am in no way accusing you of breaking your own stated policy.

Ah.

Malachi=Earendil. May as well use a name someone will recognize ;-).

Re: anti-Nienor comments. Yes, I removed all of the comments of the following kind when I was an admin here (i.e. 2-3 years ago): * is a ****ing b****. You can easily find more literate anti-Nienor comments on old mume.net logs otherwise.

For the record, the comments that matched the above regular expression were removed for other characters/players too.

One of my sites was siteripped two days ago (noticed that today) so I sat down and examined some logs today.

Of all the non-registered people who have posted in this thread, half have read ONLY this thread, and NOTHING else on this site. I guess they knew what they wanted to know without bothering to find out anything.

I wonder why they are interested in saying negative things about this site, when they haven't even looked at it.

It's probably the ER admins.

Oh, btw.. more about the char-separation and ER issue.

You don't *have to* post your characters under your account. You can only post on there. Noone is ordering you to list all your characters for utu&Lochdale&co to see. :-)

PS. oh and mume.net is definitely not only about ER rejects. It's also about Forum'holics like me. :P

Sniff Bagger?

Why would I want to do that?

Your conclusion is most likely right, Mandor, but was this discussion perhaps the only one with new comments for some time? That could explain it being the only one that got read.

Although I would guess that many people have static IPs these days, so if you looked at logs for a long period of time, you can probably see if they read nothing else...

I didnt know this topic would stir up trouble like this.

To unknown: I have been visiting mume.net fairly regularly now and I can assure you that this was not the only topic with new comments...

ER just added bookmarks. Axel tried to add a weird sticky notion, then switched to regular bookmarks. It is, of course, at the suggestion of ER readers.

I am glad there is an alternative to ER, especially since I am to stubborn to go back there after I promised I would stay away (after the incident where they helped out MUME management bust some guy by revealing info from their accesslogs).

Now I have a new place to comment, thanks!

Somewhat off-topic, but speaking of access logs:

It is a good policy (followed by some rather respectable organizations) to delete your access logs every couple of weeks. This way if someone comes to you and demands disclosure, you can say 'oh, I will cooperate with you, and I will give you what I have, but unfortunately my logs were just deleted, so I do not have anything'. Given that, for example, issuing a subpoena does not happen instantly, this pretty much guarantees the privacy of your users.

If you are not doing it already, Mandor, I suggest you consider it.

Some strange cows where Bagger comes from...

"I still remember how ER's most interesting thread got closed - Malmö Labbet - after people not even associated with Malmö started arguing about something else..."

Much like how most US-related topics get reduced to US bashing by some europeans?

ER's admins aren't as bad as people make them out to be. I've poked and prodded at some of them on ER and on MUME, and they never banned me on ER(most recent thing being my bugging Vaire about being in RP evens as a Vala, who weren't to set foot on Arda).

There's one thing I like about MUME.net over ER though, and that's that mume.net doesn't have V+ who have to worry about their staff positions if incidents are posted:

http://mume.net/show.php?id=4465&who=everhate

You won't find that log on ER. ;)

Aredhel , about ER admins, ofcourse that people when they gain 'power' , they use it, i don't think that Vaire or Axel are exceptions , though i'm sure they do it in VERY mild way.
I don't know why you search that far btw? When you got SO good examples of 'using' 'power' in your sister and bf?

How did Nienor and Dain use their power according to you, Luke?

This place always kicks arse over ER, Elven Runes is like a good R rated movie cut and edited for TV by shitty do-gooders and that fat fucking bitch Vaire. But seriously in reality both places suck, so does this MUME game (so last century!) I hope the terrorists get you all!
/R

Problem with this site is it's dead. Problem with elvenrunes is that it's filtered as if the admins treat the readers like children. Problem with MUME is the changes are like the straws being loaded onto the camel's back.

The back is pretty much broken for me now. The decent interesting players are leaving, and being replaced by immature dickheads, and the people who play a game are 90% of what makes it enjoyable. For me nowadays the game just seems to be a tedious grind, even the linkless killers are unashamed about it. At least before they had the decently to lie that they didn't know they were linkless, now they openly gloat.

On the bright site, I suppose that now it means I might get a life instead!

To Last Unknown: Ever heard of "Eternal September"? That's when AOL ramped out with their ubiquitous diskettes, and usenet and various boards stopped being spammed just during September (when new students would arrive in schools). We didn't know at the time it could get worse, but apparently it can - with an introduction of broadband in regular family homes.

AOL and the like don't send me shit, ever.

It probably has something to do with me mailing them each other's shit in pre-paid envelopes. :)

*stuffs an american express envelope with an AOL CD and tapes it shut* :D

OKay i'm kind of new, can anyone explain what Nienor did that was apparently so bad?

Several years ago, over a few days he deleted quite a few characters of people he didn't like.

Are you sure it wasn't an imp who did this? I am pretty sure it's only imps who are able to do this kind of thing.

I can't recollect anyone who got deleted by Nienor. Jailed, noshouted, even demoted for a clear rule-breaking, yes. Who did you have in mind?

Elryn, in my experience, almost every time someone really hates a V+ and screams at him 'corruption! unjustice!', there is a second side to the story which that person does not want to tell.

Actually, scratch the comment before the previous. Nienor deleted Grang. The log (by Grang) is here on mume.net, and the message about Grang is still on MUME news.

I'm sure people really sympathise with Grang there, though (NOT).

Okay thanks guys checked out the logs :P
So are you saying nienor was over harsh with Grang?

personally, i think she was a BIT too harsh.. i mean, i understand why, but if he killed over level 10 then i don't see the problem.. except rekills suck

Ukhor, did you know for how long he kept this up? Killing people writing messages on boards, afk people, basically anyone who couldn't fight back. For no reason apart from being annoying (and getting your eq).

If you were writing a message or mail, you wouldn't see a thing, until you saved or cancelled your mail, you'd find yourself in mandos already, no chance of fighting back or fleeing.

Hm, that's also true.. that does tend to suck, but if you're nice to the guy he has no problem with you. A lot of the time I noticed he just killed people mean to him. In addition to the afkers or message boarders or anything. I don't condone it at all, but removal of all levels and deleting the char kind of sucks

I have been samesided a few times and I never have known the one who did it. How I can be 'nice to the guy' if I have no idea who he/she is?

What I said, Elryn, was that I could recollect this case of Nienor single-handedly (actually, no - according to grang, with manwe's support) deleting somebody just so, without him formally breaking a rule. Same-side darkie pkill is permitted, so Grang formally didn't break any rules - he was merely destroying the game for everybody. He sat up from the Hall of Orcs and killed everyone who went up immediately after dying, he whacked every lowbie char that logged in or was on where, and he being a thief he didn't care much about equipment, so he didn't care about dying. If you read the comments there, you'll notice many people were really glad to see him go.

I don't know what else other Unknown posters or Luke were referring to, but maybe they can tell?

Elizalde, you obviously have some issues you need to work out in real life after reading a comment like that.

You may hate the unknowns but the #of posts shows us unknown posters bring people to this site.

Just because you don't formally break a rule, doesn't mean you cannot be punished. As far as RP goes, after so many random attacks on fellow tarks, Grang would've/should've been permenantly wanted in NOC. Even the Great Goblin probably has his limits, and I doubt he found much amusement in Grang's actions.

I think it would've been better to flag Grang perma-wanted, but that's just me.

i dont know if any1 said this before, but i wont read thru all thos ecomments so i say my opinion..

I use ER rather then Mume.net. Tho i come here and read logs cause i like logs nomatter where i read em and this is a good page to do so. Why do i choose ER over Mume.net?

first, more people to reach out to there when you want something said. Secondly, its so much faster, i have no clue why since im no web-guru, but it is, and another reason is cause i like the Log-code.

How the logs is displayed that is.

Are you in the US, Faint?

This site's faster because the designers know how to type so they can just type words on the page rather than have bloated graphics to fullfil the same function.

I like reading all the bad ainur logs :)

You won't find them on ER.

I really hate Elvenrunes ties to the MUME management... Once access logs from Elvenrunes was used in a mume case against me! Bah! Shitty site (elvenrunes!)

If you cheat you should be caught by any means...

Sure you might say so but I don't think a site which says that they don't have any bound to MUME management should do so

Most of the logs I have in my bookmarks are related to the activities of the ainur. I've only found one of Tulkas being an ass - the Everhate log. Are there any others?

I like these logs of ainur and cheaters.... they are funny. Especially the one with Mammoth and Snowball using actions. :)

There should be 2 or 3 Tulkas logs here, I think 2 might have to do with everhate though, and the 3rd is just Tulkas valing Ajax for making a comment about Tulkas saying stupid shit to a mortal.

Something I have noticed lately on ER is how many people constantly flame logs for being posted, even if they are in the 'other section'.

Just check Ciluras' log for example.

You have a funny log there which has nothing to do with PK, just about something that happened along time ago, with a slim chance of it happening to many people. You have a zone that was recently opened, and this was before changes in the exit systems where doors were not always displayed so easily so people could tell where the hell they were by the [ and ]'s.

"And it seems both doors were broken throughout the whole log?:P" (funny because this guy constantly posts a bunch of worthless spam and flame but has no idea that back then they didnt have exit's the way they do now??)

or

"Hmm, there is a put this log on top logs button, please add a remove log button to delete logs :P"
(Why delete it cause there is no pk? I don't get it, was something funny to see and not heard of usually.)

ER has become really snobby in my opinion. I realise this is caused by the players that frequently post on the site, but by catagorizing everything and seperated logs, I think it has played a part in adding to that behavior and has encouraged people to act this way.

I know flame is going to always play a part on any site that has logs with availability to comment, but I believe its a bit more expanded over there.

I got a comment deleted off ER :(

that sure was a big loss I suppose

heh, Boofie goo goo! what was the comment?

Maybe I don't know Boofhead too well, but I can't imagine him posting anything that needs censoring... But I wouldn't prompt him to repost it here either, because who knows what ER management might do if they are upset at him?

Lol. Thanks for your support.

Well it was my fault - I posted in Norwegian. But it was only a small sentence. I found a Norwegian translator on the net :)

Men minst skriver her jeg uansett hva som jeg vil ha og det blir ikke strøket!

Must remember to log in before I post in future :(

Sure you should be happy you didn't get banned!

I've been banned from mume.net before!

I posted a log and someone spam commented something stupid. I somehow got banned for that?

Amras, I notice you haven't been on ER recently - that banned you?

I have been threatened by Axel with being banned from ER before :)

This is the email I got from Axel:

Hi,

for the last days basically all you posted on Random-Runes was 'runk
runk'. I am sure you can do better. If not, I am also sure you will find
an appropriate other forum to post such unrelated nonsense :)

thanks,
Axel



BUT IT WAS ALL VIRRE'S FAULT!

http://mume.net/show.php?id=4176

And the log which got me banned from mume.net :(

Sure I've been banned before for posting in swedish...but not recently! Mestlol@Axel!

This problem is easily solved. Go to elvenrunes, find Axel, tell him off and then don't ever go back. He's a total ass, don't worry about hurting his feelings.

Quoting Aredhel:
Before Malmo kids got kicked off of ER, several well-meaning folks got censured on ER trying to make suggestions for improvement. One of them was threatened with a lawsuit.

Aredhel, could you please tell me more about this? It had probably happened before I started playing MUME even, let alone discovered ER. But I would like to hear the full story, if it's possible.

Re Boofneck. You've taken the words out of my mouth. I have finally lost all the respect for Axel I ever used to have. Many things can be understood, but where's the need to treat his own loyal users like this?

Re Boofhead. The admin of mume.net (who was it then?) might've screwed up and got a wrong person, but you got to admit that he had a point when he banned someone for doing that.

And re unknown above previous unknown. I don't know who got threatened with a lawsuit, but was it something about ER using a ton of files (all the original profiles or something) that they took from another site and had no permission to use and then blaming other people for daring to say something about it?

Axel is cool enough. I had no problems with what he said.

I agree Unknown that someone should have been banned for that spam. Not sure who the admin at the time was.....

And lawsuits? That's taking it too far.....

People who submit to control freaks like Axel deserve to be treated like doormats.