We just HAVE to have a mandos sleep whine discussion. I have no creative whining on the subject atm though ;)
But feel free to discuss it!

Mandos sleep is management's way of saying FUCK YOU for being successful.

Wonder if any Aratas, even Dain, could get a high level char now. I'm aware of how good Huor was, but it's been years since he's been used actively. Higherups not playing the game is the most fucked up and retarded thing, casuing many stupid 'feature', like mandos sleep.

Not just beeing successfull, but also beeing brave. Mandos sleep is a big sign that the management don't want berserkers or risktakers.

Sogard, if "higher-ups are not playing" is equivalent to "Manwe isn't playing" or "I have yet to see an Arata warlord", I would guess you might be right. Otherwise you are most likely very wrong, but you probably don't care whether it's true or not, as long as it makes a cool-sounding flame, right?

I don't care much about what someone who won't show their name says, but are you going to tell me that Dain, Fror, Neinor..etc play? Some things wouldn't suprise me, like if Snakr or Guido would turn out to be Tulkas. :P
Incase you're an idiot, I'm referring to them playing mortals actively, to beable to see and feel how changes affect things.
Use your name, and stop blindly defending the management. They've made a few decent changes, but many stupid/illogical ones, such as shining changes(no minion of free person had the skill of moria's smiths), or removing the dwarf carry bonus, but leaving the sneak malus and using a bullshit stats excuse.
Let's not forget rohan and isengard, which are going to need to kick some serious ass to make up for still not being done.

Let's also not forget that w of the shire is pretty much a safe zone, unless you've got a dozen skilled darkies going there and no pukes online to fight them, which partly goes against the NOIDEA of safe areas.
Or better yet, the elven cities which ARE 100% from enemies, giving newbies the ability to learn commands in safety.

I might be wrong, but until an Arata directly tells me they play a mortal, and who, then I might be right too.

Now we are getting somewhere. We are seeing that you do not count Vala as management, but only count Arata and higher. I guess even you figured that you cannot just discard, for example, Gothmog.

Now please show me where I am defending the management or any changes they made, Sogard. I said there are people in the management who play. That part is definitely true, even for Arata. But why would any of them tell you who they play?

It is definitely you who is going to come out as an idiot here, sorry.

Learn to read? My orginial comment was about Arata not playing, I know very well that some Valar play mortals, however I highly doubt any Valar has the same amount of authority and/or access as an Arata. I might come out as an idiot, but you'll have already paved the way for me even if I do.

Why would they have any reason to hide themselves if they play mortals? People don't act differently to Gothmog or Vaire or any of the Vala or Maia's mortals, and (hopefully) the Arata would not use their positions to inflict damage on people who pk or rob their mortals.

I know atleast one A+ that plays on a regular basis. Heck, he plays more often than I do.

I think the noidea is meant to say: Mudschools where newbies can learn commands totally safe.

So we have one (or a bunch) of unknowns blindly defending management. If you're that convinced you're right, then at least have the gumption to put a name behind your posts. Anyone can post as 'unknown' and argue with people then just disappear when you lose the argument. I notice you never actually disagreed with anything Sogard said re the changes, it looks like you're just trying to stir things.

And if the ones who make these rediculously ill-thought-out changes actually do play the game, then who? Your claims are meaningless without the names to back them up.

Yeah there are no mudschools, so it's just the spirit rather than the letter of the noidea that is being broken. Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time something's been implemented whilst being a noidea.

This game would be a lot better if management managed to swallow their pride now and again.

I know two A+ who play regularly. So the point is somewhat moot.

I recommend you learn to read, Zain. Who is defending the management, besides saying that they do play (which is true)? I'll be the first to agree that certain recent changes are really really bad.

You just got two registered people confirm that A do play. Both of these people obviously respect the privacy of those A who play and are not giving you their names.

It looks like both you, Zain and Sogard, do not respect people's right to privacy. You think everyone's chars should be public, and you think people should not post as unknown. I do not think this is a good attitude, and I suspect you would not like your privacy violated (e.g. your characters disclosed) either. If you have a problem with people wanting some privacy, then I suggest you either turn off unknown comments or rethink your attitude.

The only reason people don't use their ainu to cheat and find their names, as has been done in the past, is because the're Arata.

Privacy is fine, but they don't tell anyone if they play, which makes MUME the only large MUD i've played where imms do that), even if they don't say who they play. Do you honestly think their mortals would be treated differently? I don't, except for maybe darkies killing them out of spite for changes and using RP as their reason.

I think many will treat their mortals differently, so I understand why they don't announce it when they play.

Like getting spammed about 'my [friend/enemy/cheater/someothercheater/eqwhore/eqhoarder/afkkiller/ldkiller] who [killed/stabbed/stole/got angry] at [me/thedog/thecat/theworld/thegame]'

Mandor?

Ehehe.

As one playing almost only for pk I liked that about seeing an Arata on the warlord list. If this game had been about pk, it would very nice if the upper management went through the same frustration most pkers do.

But then again, MUME isn't about pk, and then the above isn't to be asked for. What's interesting to see, is how much reducing of the playability in pk will be tolerated before it is completely gone. Right now, it feels as if the amount of pkers has halved the last two years. The fundamental thing for pk is that many are involved in it, which also confirms the exponential diminish of, and also of the playerbase all in all.

This crap is such bullshit. Just last night i was going out to unqa to get a bracelet, and i typoed and dtd. i figured, (ok, ill loot myself, its all good.) Guess what? 22 fucking days mandos. and the next day, the people I asked to loot my corpse got ambushed that day and my corpse decayed. freakin lovely!

You got Mandos and asked people to loot your corpse? Ahhahhah busted

Phantasm: *comf*, but on the bright side, you might have also been ambushed while trying to loot, so Mandos sleep might have saved you from one more death and wp loss.

Unknown: you think what he did was bad? There're people who'd have created a new account and a new char, or used a labbie's account, and gone there to loot it themselves. Hopefully Phantasm did no worse than anyone with lab or ICQ-using friends would have done.

'unknown', what do you uthink mailboxes in mandos/island/halls/chambers/frozen_north are made for ?
Or are you so used to cheating that you need to think of some unleagal means of communicating in such cases ? (I understand the 'unknown' then :p)
Or maybe i miss your point (but then i cant see what it is so explain to the dumb me), if so, sorry.
Actually i climbdyed unqa too, recently, got 33 (or about) mandos, and mailed to some other bn so loot would be got back... and to ask hm also if he would help my fellow orcs withhis mighty fireballs since my clumsy spells were not available anymore for my mates !
Happy that some other bn legendmage was on and not too busy, cause orcs might have been rather annoyed i am afraid... mandos sleep can piss off a whole group, not only its victim !

Btw, am i the only one thinking Mandos comes more in DT/swim/climbdeaths than in pkrips ? (or is it jsut because i personnally die too much in such crappy ways ? !)

Eh, hi Shalani. There was no mailbox in Mandos, last I checked. There is a bulletin board for newbies, and I do not think it can be read from outside Mandos? At least, I've never seen it anywhere else.

And continuing the previous comment, I don't think there's a mailbox in hall of orcs or troll chambers either. Wouldn't remember about frozen north.

ah ok, I thought there was one in all deathplaces...
well *lick our beloved Island again* :-D
maybe we are not underpowered after all -or is it because gods know that we'll spend most of time there and theredore need the place to write and read our letters ? !

I just got mandos sleep.. 52 days for failing flees from healthy eating bash and dying. Wheepiee!

My suggestions: end mandos sleep. That would solve all the trouble.

I've got my first mandos after 2 years of playing today after a stupid death (I am a stupid death expert...), someone rescued my eq. Most people whining about Mandos have other chars in account and can play those, where is the sense in whine if you have to pause gaming for 5 mins?

Trouble is that Mandos sleep is a relic of the times when rent costs weren't insane and everyone had a dozen unretired legends. Now they're insane and people can afford only very few, so Mandos sleep hurts more.

Also, if it was 5 minutes, nobody would whine. It can be many hours RL (or even some days?). See how much Conspiracy got.

No mandos Sleep stops you from playign for simply 5 minutes. Looking at it as making you wait 5 min to log a different char of the same side is completely missing the point, that being that your character that died not only lost xp/wps, but was further punished with a temporary jailing of sorts. Mandos sleep is like being valed for a couple hours/days, both ways effectively stop you from playing the character in any way. Logging on and idling is not playing btw.

Is Mandos sleep totally random or dependant on wps or something?

I seem to recollect that they said it was dependent on level only, but I may be wrong.

Unkown number I don't fucking know. But saying that "just play another char"... You ever though logging on a char cause he is the only one with eq? Or the only one not retired? Or even the only one that you wanna play atm? I think you should never be stopped to play who you would like to play as long as you don't cheat. Mandos sleep is a positive thing for all cheaters and all people who are wimps.

I just got 90 days of mandos yesterday. It sucks big time. I had been looking forward to the time i could play Puzzle again. Not only i died and i got 3 hour depression from that - I was also punished by not allowing me play this char at all for 90 mume days.

Who cares if i can play other chars? It's Puzzle i wanted to play.

Okey now Im really pissed. I spam east past mountainside and a shade outside hit me to incap, then a zorc hit me dead. I get 89 days mandos sleep. I will be unable to play for the next 1,5 days (darkieside, wich is the only side I find funny to play). Why get punished for dying more then loosing eq/xp/wps? No logic at all. And when it happends to you, you get VERY mad. They refusing me to play like Im a cheater or something. Seriously, it's time to remove that silly feature now.

Good job all my chars are low level then because I've only ever had mandos sleep once.