What is the real story with snakr?
posted by tushie
2004-09-07 22:23:11

tushie2004-09-07 22:23:11
Seems snakr disappeared what really happened to him?
Unknown2004-09-07 23:10:19
He's still playing, isn't he?
Snakr2004-09-08 12:04:15
yup im playing!
Unknown2004-09-08 13:25:41
*chorus of MUME players*

...though we really, really wish you weren't.
Sogard 2004-09-08 16:09:03
Snakr said he was tamking the summer off, that lasted about 5 minutes or so, and odds are he's playing some new random stabber char, or 2. ;)
Snakr2004-09-08 16:59:50
I took 1.5 months off from mume indeed, for summer i was permadrunk all the time:P and no all 4 chars i have atm arent stabbers...but i will make one stabber soon!
Unknown2004-09-09 18:32:56
Hopefully he did the world a favor and hung himself with his cat-5 cable.
Grisnat2004-09-10 15:51:48
Oh yes he is playing... and I haven't seen him cheat yet? (get eqhorny, yes, cheat... no...)

ofcourse, that is likely to change soon...(not the eqhorny bit)
Björn 2004-09-12 11:54:13
Snakr rocks :)
Snakr2004-09-12 12:22:34
of coz i do, every normal person knows it...just that some whinerfucks who have no rl and just cant stand that someone is better than them arent thinking the same! *poke Sogard etc.*
Idiots whine, others laugh at whiners, and im still the best...and having a terrible hangover!
Sogard 2004-09-12 23:36:48
You're a much greater fool that I thought if you honestly think you're better than me at anything other than MUME, then again, what I learned, i did without being a cheating little chickenshit.

Also, hangovers are for pussies who can't handle their alcohol.


Besides, considering you're on MUME about 2x more than you're off it, how do you get the balls to say others have no real life?
Snakr2004-09-13 11:32:00
everyone is sleeping their hangover daily, getting rdy for nightparty etc, im playing mume until others sleep becoz i dont need to sleep! i play mume at day, i go drinking after 9pm! now who says i have no rl? anyone seen me playing at nite?
Vrool2004-09-13 22:50:57
I thought you logged on your 'other' characters at night =>
Unknown2004-09-15 05:58:06
lol, Snakr with skill. Ew, look at me! I stabbed an AFK warlord! I rawk!

Snakr your the shitiest player in the game. You still die and loose eq even when you cheat. Anyone could do what you do and be better at it.
Snakr2004-09-15 10:29:30
should i play wimp like most of boring ppl do?
no i dont play wimp therefore i die! if i find anything to kill i go for it, even if i die durin the process!
AnAmerican2004-09-17 04:44:36
Hangovers happen because your body is de-hydrated. Drink some water after the 4th or 5th drink even if you don't feel like you need it. You'll notice in the morning a vast difference in how you feel.
Snakr2004-09-17 09:29:29
Thanks!
Andróg 2004-09-25 18:30:07
Story behind Snakr? Well, it's nothing special... he's just the younger brother of Arnold Oksmaa...
Tankist 2004-09-25 19:09:46
Androg i think your jokes arent funny, well atleast they are old dunno how old are you rl.
Unknown2004-09-25 19:44:26
Someone explain Androg's joke to non-Estonians?
Snakr2004-09-26 11:16:27
Androg your just retarted, pIlwin(Androg) comes to say that im younger brother of Aronld Oksmaa? lemme laugh guidolover?
Andróg 2004-09-26 21:45:13
My jokes are old, but at least they're persistent!

Snakr: I feel the anger, ever tried relaxing? :)
Tushie2004-09-27 23:01:52
Glad to see snakr is still around, I havn't seen him on the post at ER that made me wonder.
Andróg 2004-09-28 19:31:49
He's banned there perhaps?
Unknown2004-09-28 22:28:28
Too bad hes not banned from mume...
Snakr2004-09-29 09:49:49
You all suck pathetic shitpieces, play and let others play! i hope all those anonymous fags get banned aswell! post with your name if your man! i never hide anything becoz IM NOT SCARED OF YOU SHITSTICKS! IM JUST SO DAMN ROCKING MAN THAT IM AFRAID OF NOONE SO GET A FUCKING LIFE! BEFORE I JUST KILL YOU!
Snakr2004-09-29 11:16:42
Immitator I'm the real Snakr.
Snakr2004-09-29 11:29:23
Re: Immitator I'm the real Snakr.

Lies.
Snakr2004-09-29 16:58:06
Morons, piece of SHITTT, I say. I'm the real Snakr. Really, fuck you all.
Snakr2004-09-30 10:08:30
erm whatever last comment was fake...
i use fakk it used fuck...
Avrar2004-09-30 14:11:27
well seems one of you snakrs are about 10 years old, but yes snakr is playing, and not cheating, and he still rocks ;)
Unknown2004-10-01 19:40:15
No, snakr does not rock. and he is still a cheater. yes he hasnt cheated yet, but in the near future he will i can garauntee it.
Snakr2004-10-03 03:03:57
Thx for comment Avrar u r teh k00l3st but still american shitpie n00b!

Rancr pwn you!
Bloodytruth2004-10-03 09:57:31
I heard that Snakr is p(Nobriskov) and he's cheatin like a sonnovabitch every chance he gets. Since nobody is putting any effort into catching him, he gets lots of chances.
Unknown2004-10-03 21:39:15
why the fuck isnt be bansited yet?
Björn 2004-10-03 22:31:06
Register your name Snakr? :P
Unknown2004-11-08 23:32:00
I know Snakr is a pain, but reading the graffiti wall and looking at all the comments made about his mother - it is a bit much.
Andróg 2004-11-08 23:55:44
It indeed may be a bit much, but it's not like he isn't asking for it. In fact, he is doing everything to get that shit on wall...
Unknown2004-11-09 00:12:34
I highly suspect he's one of the more active posters there.
SnakrsMom2004-11-09 02:33:23
You guys just butt out. Business is up 21.7 percent since I started advertising on the discussion board. Another six weeks like this last one and I'll have enough money to get Snakr the penis enhancement surgery he's been begging for since we found out he is a genetic male.
Crol2004-11-09 11:24:53
LOL@everyone
This thread is soo funny.
tushie2004-11-09 18:35:44
I agree with bjorn, snakr you need to register your name so we can ignore all the other spam.
KnowItAllDude2004-11-09 23:28:01
Dear Snakr, you
[ ] Clueless Newbie
[X] Loser
[ ] AOLer
[ ] 12 year old
[ ] Troll
[ ] Pervert
[ ] Geek
[X] Spammer
[X] Wannabe
[ ] Asskisser
[ ] l337 d00d
[X] Flamer
[X] Whiner
[ ] Other:

You Are Being Flamed Because

[ ] You posted a PC vs Mac thread
[ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
[X] You committed crimes against pork biproducts
[X] You posted a 'YOU ALL SUCK' message
[ ] You haven't read the FAQ
[ ] You don't know which forum to post in
[X] You just plain suck
[ ] You posted false information
[X] You posted something totally uninteresting
[ ] You doubleposted
[X] YOU POSTED A MESSAGE ALL WRITTEN IN CAPS
[ ] You posted racist crap
[X] I don't like your tone of voice
[X] You are not civilized enough to post in these forums
[ ] Yuo mispeled evry sengle wurd.
-----------------------------------------------
[ ] You agreed with Gray.

In Punishment, You Must:

[ ] Give up your AOL Internet account
[X] STFU & GTFO
[X] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor
[ ] Actually post something relevant
[ ] Read the f****** FAQ
[ ] Be Pat Buchanan's love slave
[ ] Go to your room with no supper
[X] Apologize to everybody on this forum
[ ] Go stand in the middle of a Highway
[ ] Recite the Greek alphabet backwards
[ ] Take a bath in bleach
[ ] Drink out of a spitoon
[X] Listen to Lauranthalas for five hours
[ ] All of the above

In Closing, I'd Like to Say:

[ ] Blow me
[X] Get a life
[X] Never post again
[X] I pity your dog
[ ] Go to hell
[ ] Your IQ must be 7
[ ] Take your s*** somewhere else
[ ] STFU & GTFO
[ ] Learn to post or f*** off
[ ] Go jump into some industrial equipment
[ ] All of the above
Snakr2004-11-10 08:21:01
ok then, i wont post a single thing here anymore...enjoy the weedlogs from now on!
Unknown2004-11-10 08:53:37
First,
[X] He talks racist crap.

Therefore, he must
[X] Go to hell

In closing, I want to say
[X] STFU & GTFO
Unknown2004-11-10 08:56:59
Snakr has
[X] posted racist crap

Proven from
[X] earlier post: "Thx for comment Avrar u r teh k00l3st but still american shitpie n00b!"

Therefore he
[X] will have his characters send to Arda's hell.
Snakr2004-11-10 10:46:59
Thx for comment Avrar u r teh k00l3st but still american shitpie n00b!

Wasnt made by me anyways, do you really think i care about you idiots?
Unknown2004-11-10 11:48:33
Get a star then?
Unknown2004-11-10 18:37:12
OK, I get the thing with Snakr. He cheated, therefore he is bad, therefore he must be sent to hell for eternal damnation and etc etc

But what's the thing everyone has with Gray? It seems like he has contributed much to the MUME community. I bet most of the current mumers would still be learning and mapping the areas if it weren't for Gray's page. And yes, i have read the log, where he sunned Bubba.
And I still don't get it....

Is it some kind of a West and North European thing?

Remember the cookies!
[/quote]
Those marked by .ee are known to cheat more.
.cz is the guild of looters.
[/quote]

Does there exist a trigger in the brain of all mumers from more developed countries like this?

#var my_country_develop_lvl
#var other_p_country_develop_lvl
#if {my_country_develop_lvl > other_p_country_develop_lvl}

{other_player = LOSER}

OK, this maight seem a bit cynical, but this is just my personal opinion.

Oh btw, i play from *.ee.
Have never cheated.

Unknown2004-11-10 18:39:02
Shit, these lvl things look a lot like big M's. They arent that. And furthermore, I dont know pSnakr nor pGray nor any of their labbies IRL.

Oh, actually I dont know any of the mumers IRL. :)
Unknown2004-11-10 19:09:04
There are a lot of people that are hated for something they did a long time ago. Sometimes they did not even do anything really bad, but the story grew in telling by those who either got hurt somehow or hated them for another reason.

People should leave Snakr alone already. My guess is that some of the posters are just envious that he's a cool player and they're not, and so are picking at straws.

As to Gray, I think there was an attitude problem of his behalf. Whenever he posted anything, he was just inviting himself to be flamed due to his I-know-everything-better-than-you-and-thus-I-am-cooler-than-you attitude. He was also way too blatant about sunning that troll, as he always was about everything. Finally, he ended in the situation where he was just a free target to be shot at by the more annoying players, even though he has obviously done a lot of good to many.
Andróg 2004-11-10 20:17:38
I think your information about Gray was a bit off. Firstly, it wasn't just the 'I-ETC' thing. That had a lot of different aspects. But mainly I believe most people simply couldn't find a common language with him as he was a 'number-purist' (lets calculate everything and when my calcutations show that I'm in full power I will rock) while most people were somewhere in the between of being fun-purists and number-purists, but more often peopel tend to be on the fun-side.

Also, about the trolls and sun and Gray. I believe pRashnak has sunned a lot more trolls with his mortals than Gray. So it wasn't just sunning the troll. It was about the explanations he claimed why he sunned that troll. To prove his point. To make a troll suffer IRL. That's what got people pissed. Those who sunned trolls for RP reasons never got much flamed, just some slight dislike from people who liked to play trolls a lot.

Anyway, just my 2c.
Unknown2004-11-10 21:42:15
Nah I don't think anyone cared _why_ he sunned the troll. It was just the way he put it that made him vulnerable. It is pretty obvious that, say, Rashnak, is going to ignore any abuse you throw at him and probably go and do something worse, but Gray made it all look personal and made himself look like a target.

And your first part is more or less what the previous post said.

Gray wasn't a 100% jerk like some other people are. That's what probably got him. Real jerks never quit.
Sogard 2004-11-10 22:09:15
Gray left mainly due to the fact that his merchant char had insane rent now that gold is rent-charged, which defeated the purpose of that char, and the METE guild, which seems to be dead now too. The thing with Gray was that he was -always- right(according to him), and he was/is one of those people who are adamant about looting foci = sunning trolls, and always ignored the fact that not just trolls loot staves, and that you don't lose your character after every death, but you do lose your equipment.

No comment on Rashnak though. some people don't care, he's one of them. However Snakr does care, which is obvious by the fact that he can't stay away. :P
Sogard 2004-11-10 22:10:59
Also Gray's now an Imp on Lost Realms. Can't remember what his job is there, I think he's in charge of building. It was fun to play my ghost for a week and kill him several times by summoning a dozen mobs and coming back from AFKing to find his corpse in the room. :)
Unknown2004-11-10 22:11:26
I wonder if he'll be back now that rent has been reduced 33%?

As for Snakr, he gets the abuse because hes cheating scum. The only people who like him are his fellow cheaters.

Mume would be a better place without him and those like him.
Unknown2004-11-10 22:27:27
> The only people who like him are his fellow cheaters.

Pfft. So now you're going to tell us that anyone who likes his playstyle and the logs he posts is a cheater? Get a life.
Unknown2004-11-10 22:36:03
His playstyle? You mean multi-accounting, actions, crossrace, and bug abuse? Surely if you like that playstyle than you are scum also.
Honeysweetlips2004-11-10 22:58:32
AND, I've noticed very little puppy hugging in any of his logs. He is really a stinkypoo ratfink baboon(excuse my language, but I'm getting pretty upset) sometimes and deserves to be soundly admonished.
Andróg 2004-11-10 22:59:33
"Nah I don't think anyone cared _why_ he sunned the troll" /One of the unknowns above.

I strongly disagree. Go read the log and those threads related to it, again and again if necessary. If we exclude those few who simply hated him (for the sake of hating him) then most people disliked his action (the sunning) and his defence to it, because of the reasons why he sunned Bubba. That was rather obvious. Although, I agree, the way he put it, was an important factor too, then the reasons behind the whole thing affected it like pouring oil into fire.

PS. What's with so many unknowns here lately. Everybody so afraid of showing their name or what?!
Britney 2004-11-10 23:06:03
Hehe he pretty much wanted to get ppl angry at me with his sunning (check the name of log and description) :D
Snakr2004-11-11 11:31:55
If you are so sure im cross-racing, multiaccounting, using actions and crossrace report to a Valar, or get one...i have nothing to afraid because last time i had two accounts was when i was newbie trying to exp my mage up with warrior on another account:P
i havent discovered any bugs yet to take advantage of em neither...also never bothered to write any actions involving pk...
Tushie2004-11-11 18:41:43
snakr for your own protection, create an account with mume.net please.
Andróg 2004-11-11 19:22:26
Have to agree, Snakr, get an account in mume.net!!
Boofhead 2004-11-11 22:27:15
So who does Snakr play now?

Electy
Rancr
Noobriskov.....
Tushie2004-11-12 20:01:16
I think rancr is his main char, but it doesn't matter what or who he plays he does very well.
Unknown2004-11-12 20:19:42
Thats just the chars in his "first" account.

Theres probably countless others in his different accounts.
Unknown2004-11-12 23:13:17
FFS STFU, all you Unknowns!

Oops, I am also Unknown. Oh well...
Unknown2004-11-13 00:04:08
Mandor, please ban all Unknowns. Now.
Mandor 2004-11-13 00:20:35
Feel free to login and enable 'ignore all unknowns'
Andróg 2004-11-15 19:42:35
And I just discovered *a huge surprise*...

Rancr - Morgul Vale
Unknown2004-11-15 20:03:06
Rofl? Guess we'll be hearing Justice news soon! Wonder what it was this time? Actions, multiplaying, cross-race - all of them?
Unknown2004-11-15 20:17:50
Snakr i LOVE you!!!!
Tushie2004-11-15 21:08:33
Keep us posted on morgul vale, or easier thing to do would be nice to hear from snakr himself.
Sogard 2004-11-15 22:01:47
Personally, I'd rather hear from Staer than Snakr.
Unknown2004-11-15 22:53:46
Heh. This mud dosn't have a fraction of the problems that some others do. At least you guys here have enough good people to balance out the bad. The mud I played for 6 years has long been overrun with rotten people that all they want to do is injure other people via a text-based game for their own enjoyment. If the biggest problem this game has is p(snakr), consider yourselves lucky.
Unknown2004-11-16 01:20:18
You wish, Unknown. Don't we all wish our worst problem was p(Snakr).

I think we're at least in the same spot as the one you are describing. Look at Lolatmi's log. Look at Melinda's log (and more precisely at why it was posted). Look at all our name-police cases. Look at all people who just want p(Snakr) to suffer, nevermind whether he's actually guilty of anything right now or not. I'm pretty sure there're also many problems here that your former MUD did not have.
Mandor 2004-11-16 01:43:43
Yeah, do other muds have the "We want WPS BACK"-whining?
Sogard 2004-11-16 02:45:06
And what's the name of this other mud? I can'[t think of many that are decently populated and have problems like MUME does.
Unknown2004-11-16 03:25:24
Snakr got back on ER...then got banned 5 minutes later.

What a loser.
Snakr2004-11-16 08:48:41
Shut up morons, im valed and its my business not yours, you got NULL clue why im there so STFU!
SnakrsMom2004-11-16 14:51:05
It probably has something to do with me offering a free "Rusty Trumbone" to Manwe :)
Fero2004-11-16 15:25:58
I wish Snakr was *.cz.
I'm proud of him :-)
Unknown2004-11-16 16:16:31
Snakr you are the best i LOVE you very much please e-mail me snakr.lover@mail.ee
Sogard 2004-11-16 17:06:10
Snakr, you might as wel tell us because you know that everything gets leaked sooner or later.
ValeGuard2004-11-16 17:21:18
I'm not supposed to say anything about Snakr's Valing, but I will tell you is that it involves a feral goat, a hoover vacuum cleaner and 4 pounds of Jello-brand instant chocolate pudding. But remember, you didn't hear it from me.
Tushie2004-11-16 18:24:14
I disagree, I would rather read a comment posted by Snakr with a yellow star than staer or someother god who thinks they know what happened. It is very possible snakr is innocent, the fact is we don't know and most of you don't give snakr any sympathy. I would love to hear your side snakr.

Thanks,

Tushie
Unknown2004-11-16 18:28:24
Snakr Innocent? Ha...you must be more naive than it appears.
Unknown2004-11-16 18:45:38
I would rather hear both from Staer and from Snakr (yes, please register, Snakr). But since Staer can post on the justice board, I'd rather hear from Snakr.

There are at least two sides to most stories of people getting valed. It sucks when either Staer gets to show his and the others don't (as on the justice board), or when the alleged criminals get to show their side of the story and whoever jailed them does not (as on ER).
Rancr 2004-11-16 19:03:23
What happened to me:

karti.karlova.tartu.ee/~6brauno/SAENSIL.txt

The guy narrated 'Rancr is pathetic' or something some minutes before i bitched his ass, but he also forgot he was calling me pathetic at stonedoor:P

Anyway i hope the Aratars do wise decision and see whats right whats not...Saensil has hated me for a long time and no wonder he uses every available method to make me pay:P

And all those pathetic jokes on me leave me cold, i just giggle when i read how retardes some persons are:P

And Fero, expect me to visit *.cz soon enuff becoz pTragikomix promised that i can play from his lab and beer is cheap!
Rancr 2004-11-16 19:05:04
HAHAHA! Damn another proof how funny it is when ppl hate you:DDD

"To Rancr - Weakling
Hah i laugh at you i was with a newbie party and we destroyed you hhahaha you weakling i was assisting and owned you hahah weakling i hope you burn in a place thats hot with little demons and pitch forks.
2004-11-15 20:16:43 - Written by Duendel"
Bartender2004-11-16 21:57:09
Sorry, Rancr, we don't serve 12 year olds. Not even at Tragikomix's lab. How about a nice caffeine-free Pepsi?
Tushie2004-11-16 23:10:30
You were valed because you yelled you cheat tonz? Is that all? Because that is just crazy.
Boofhead 2004-11-16 23:38:42
Woot! Snakr has a star :)
Unknown2004-11-17 01:09:44
Now I finally recollect. Saensil narrated that Rancr yelled "call me pathetic?" a few seconds after he,
Saensil, narrated "Rancr is pathetic". That must have been it?
Sogard 2004-11-17 02:49:09
Snakr, be thankful you're still playing. I hope Staer outright nukes your account one day. Maybe you'll get the hint that nobody wants you around*.


Excluding a small handful of people, most of which cheat(ed) and are less than normal themselves.
Unknown2004-11-17 03:41:49
You just love declaring people who do not agree with you cheaters or "abnormal", Sogard? Well, surprise: all it achieves is just getting people who do not agree with you annoyed at you.

Sogard, if "normal" means "like you", I am happy not to be "normal". I could explain why, but I don't care enough to have a flame war with you.

I am sure there are quite a few people like me, who haven't broken a rule within quite a few RL years, and who like Rancr's logs, no matter how much you and some others call us names for that.

And I think that even Rancr deserves fair treatment. Especially since I wouldn't really trust Staer to do anything right. (DT story, anyone?)
Rancr 2004-11-17 08:36:50
Ok Sogard, how come you are "normal" person if you keep sticking your nose into other persons business, keep whining, flaming, bitching with no reason, playing smartass everywhere you can...if thats being "normal" i better die than be normal like you!

Yes, im valed because Saensil narrated AND yelled that im pathetic! It was ironic that he guy who calls me pathetic tries to overkill me with tons then almost dies during it:D
Sogard 2004-11-17 18:26:00
It doesn't really matter what some petty unknown says who has to hide their name.

No snakr, I never said I was using myself to describe the norm. You however, are far from what a normal(or average) person on mume should be like. Tell me, after all of your extensive cheating, do you honestly think you still deserve to play this game?
Rancr 2004-11-17 18:58:54
Sogard: I think everyone deserves a chance!
Unknown2004-11-17 20:21:51
Aha Sogard, so you once again are beaten by an unknown poster so badly that your only defense is "you are hiding your name, I will now claim you're irrelevant".

Not that I expected an intelligent conversation with you, but beating you is so easy that it is really quite boring.
Angrenfea2004-11-17 20:39:28
Sogard if everyone would think world should be like they want it to be we'd be all dead after single day. You have to accept different people, there are people who are playing 101% by rules but are assholes - too bad but that's the life.
Orc2004-11-17 21:36:39
Normal people are extremely boring.
Hobbes2004-11-17 21:59:11
Angrenfea: If we adopted your viewpoint, civilization (or what's passing for it) would crumble in a single hour and life would be short and brutish and fraught with peril. Controlling people who deviate from the norm in harmful or unacceptable ways (like psychotic bedwetting cheaters on MUME) is how we survive as a society.
Orc2004-11-17 22:53:48
Hobbes, take a deep breath... read through his post and read it through again.
Hobbes2004-11-18 00:00:49
Mr. Orc: I don't want to have to read it again. It's too long. Maybe you could just summarize it. It think s/he said we had to tolerate 101 assholes who play by the rules, or something like that. Maybe in the land of Oz, pal, but in real life we stomp those people like bugs so the rest of us can have happy lifes as insurance agents and beauticians and such.
Boofhead 2004-11-18 00:16:37
Hey! The land of Oz is great!
Sogard 2004-11-18 05:00:49
Unknown, if you honestly think you beat me badly, or at all, you're wrong. so you haven't cheated (lately) you said. That doesn't change the general view of snakr. Certain people who like him the most don't have very clean records. It's understandable for you to not expect an intelligent conversation, ignorance like yours works in funny ways like that. It's funny how snakr was getting heat for his extensive past, and one of the people who defended him was punished for cheating a few days later.

You had a chance Snakr, then you had another, and another, and another. Perhaps Staer's method of dealing with cheaters is letting them do so over and over until it bores them, who knows.

Hobbes: You should reread ang's post, you said much of what they did (with a slightly different angle).
Elf2004-11-18 05:06:23
Trolls are extremely boring.
Angrenfea2004-11-18 07:48:49
Oh right Hobbes, maybe I should comment on your post without reading it carefully too?:P
I said - don't rush with conclusions, this ain't mature. It does not apply for given case but real-life has good exsamples - many are innocently jailed.
101 assholes lol... no, I said would it be right to say all who play by rules are normal if there are people who play 101% by rules but still are assholes? No you can't. It's always more complicated than black and white, dualistic viewpoint.
However, as we have seen through MUME history, sometimes even rulebreakers get pardoned.
*shrugs* like you'd understand
Hobbes2004-11-18 08:47:31
Ang: I read your post. It doesn't say "don't rush with conclusions, this ain't mature." It says we have to tolerate people who are different, apparently because some people who play by the rules are not nice. It is okay to dislike those people, too. I don't think it has anything to do with normalcy except that the incidence is within or without the range of whatever one defines normal to be. In your recent post, all of a sudden MUME history has something to do with this and you are right, I don't understand what you are talking about. Sometimes rulebreakers get pardoned; sometimes they don't. Sometimes good is punished and evil is rewarded. Human justice is imperfect. Only in the next life do you get justice. In this life you get an approximation. That doesn't mean that we tolerate repeated misconduct and cheating because we might make a mistake. Every time he's given another chance, Rancr gets caught with his thumb in the pie and then denies it's his thumb. His excuses are wearing a bit thin, so I say NO MORE PIE FOR RANCR!!!
Angrenfea2004-11-18 10:04:52
*Shrugs* I'm not trying to excuse Rancr, don't really care what other players manage to pull off. You seemed to forget my original post was also on Sogard's viewpoint - on "normal" behaviour, playstyle. I just had impression everyone who plays by rules are normal. Quite simplified if you ask me, hell maybe I read him wrong!
Concerning "don't rush with conclusions" - it was addition. But you did get my original post wrong.

Take pRashnak for exsample - hiding behind excuse of killing evil whities he has samesided way more than many sauronlisted persons alltogether. I don't recall he ever got slapped during all these years, he even has made it to Ms! Justification behind this or reasoning - I'm not commenting on this. Just nowhere in rules you can find that "samesiding chars with different alignment would be pardoned".

So in a way - there are people who don't play by the rules but get so many new chances it hurts. pSnakr's cheating in PK was harmful to gamebalance but how samesiding ain't?

This is getting pretty messy, just a few thoughts by me. No point to continue this ... more like ranting and pondering;P
Andróg 2004-11-18 11:24:10
Sogard, why to you keep posting the same shit over and over again? It has been explained to you many times by now already why they don't simply delete Snakr's account. Yet you keep on whining and whining and whining. Why suck ignorance? You're obviously clueless about everything related to the issue, so why spend so much time to look like a fool?
Sogard 2004-11-18 19:37:00
The reason of being unable to outright ban him(the reason I was given by people who actually matter(no offense)) is fine, but the higher ups know they could outright nuke any accoutn he makes until he losses interest and leaves.

And as I've said before, extremely good coders, which I'm guessing atleast ONE of the A+ are, could ban him by means other than an IP ban. Ofcourse, like an IP ban, you can get around those if you know what to look for/do.
Known2004-11-19 08:50:17
The real story with Snakr is that he's cheated several times and justice sucks.
Snakr2004-11-19 13:29:07
i have cheated several times, i have carried several punishments, you have no right to say that justice sucks if you have no clue about anything...
Story is, if i cheat, i get account wiped or my legends atleast...so its up to me how much i wanna loose my chars over and over...
Orc2004-11-19 13:29:53
Explain how did he cheat. Im sure most don't know how or if he did but still keep talking this shit because everybody else is.
Unknown2004-11-19 14:46:30
Stop talking nonsense Snakr.
Morzhal2004-11-20 01:26:23
Arda has become a sad, sad world.
Bozo2004-11-20 02:50:40
Bring on the clowns!!!!!
Tushie2004-11-20 05:35:44
that post from snakr, could rancr with a star confirm that please
Rancr 2004-11-20 12:53:06
Last post made by me was truf...yes i have cheated every1 knows it, doesnt mean that ppl cant change!
Oracle2004-11-20 18:34:50
And we also know that people who want to keep on cheating will lie about having changed.
Tushie2004-11-22 20:07:34
Thanks for confirming that rancr, I think insta delete everytime your caught is somewhat fair. I don't think we can afford to ban other players, in a free game everyone should be able to play. Btw what happened with that yelling war you posted? Obviously you are not valed still since I saw a log today of you getting trapping in khuzur, whatever happened with that.
Fieldy 2004-11-24 21:31:15
Well Rancr I think we all will be viewing how you won't be cheating...I hope you aren't doing it atm and keep up warlording =)
Rancr2004-11-25 16:57:09
The yelling war wasnt proof to demote me, they tried to mess me into other cheats aswell, but i was innocent and had proofs, so i walked out free.
Unknown2004-11-30 12:00:51
I have cheated once ...i have puniched 1 time ...     br>html>tr>
Unknown2004-11-30 12:02:01
i wanna cheat <html><tr><td> <script>alert("fuck You")</script>
Tushie2004-12-06 06:14:20
Rather than post a new thread does any1 know if yikes got demoted for killing that evil Istar?
Unknown2004-12-06 08:07:48
Well very doubtful since Saensil doesn't seem to be demoted as he and Himur were killing istar too.
MUME justice sucks mule's sacks.
Unknown2004-12-06 08:35:54
Why would Yikes and co get demoted, Tushie? They didn't cheat. Same-siding whities is not illegal, it simply can cause you to be Sauron-listed.

Doesn't seem like they were Sauron-listed, anyway. At least, Saensil seems to have died recently and not real-died. Sucks. :(
Sogard 2004-12-06 16:43:32
PKing someone simply because they're 'evil' and the pker sees the aura should be a sauronable offense if the person is known to do this often. We all know what kinds of assholes run the MUD, but if they actually want RP to exist, they should know damn well that there were evil people in the west, and I don't ever recall the Rangers or any other group hunting them down and killing them for it.
Tonto2004-12-06 18:20:21
You so wrong, Sogard. You should changum name to Sowrong. In west, me and kemosabe hunt evil people for many moons. Catchum plenty. Killum plenty, too. Me don't know why they callum him "lone" ranger, though. What me, choppum liver? He be nuthin without me but a lonely guy in a mask and wrinkly pants.
Tushie2004-12-06 20:45:40
To Unknown who said, "Why would Yikes and co get demoted, Tushie?" I was actually hoping Yikes wouldn't get demoted for this, but I don't always understand why management demotes for things and excuses other things.
Unknown2004-12-06 22:45:29
Sogard, that would require demoting all of Rashnak's characters. Might be amusing to watch, but would never happen.
Sogard 2004-12-07 06:09:58
I know it wouldn't ever happen, but logically, if you're a serial killer, the government isn't going to pardon it just because you've only killed people with criminal records, or those disliked by the community.

Besides, how RP is it to hunt down an avatar of the gods that was sent to help your people? Did Gandalf want to destroy Saruman for his actions? Doubtful, as he could've probably done so after banishing him from the order.
Boofhead 2004-12-07 09:28:39
Eh, wot's Rashnak done?
Andróg 2004-12-07 11:13:56
Sunkilled numerous trolls? Killed every whitie with a not suitful alignment on sight?
RashnaksMom2004-12-08 05:37:00

And he's a bedwetter.

Boofhead 2004-12-08 06:24:03
Well that's not nice then!
SnakrsMom2004-12-08 15:49:26
Im the only mother allowed to post here, go away RashnaksMom!

Snakr is a betwetter also, maybe our boys should hang out?
Rancr2004-12-09 09:09:12
*yawn* Old joke moron, go hang yourself orso...
ya cant even type bedwetter, sad dude you are, i would shoot myself being you:P
Spankr2004-12-09 16:24:14
Quit makin fun of my homeboy snakr
SnakrsMom 2004-12-09 17:26:08
Im his mother and Ill make fun of him if I want to!

I brang that cheating little bastard into the world and I can tell everyone about his bedwetting if I wish.
Rancr2004-12-09 19:39:54
dude, didnt Mandor warn you idiots?
About those ^jokes^ ????
Tushie2005-01-18 19:24:58
Rancr, your over due for a nice log. Will you please post something?
Demotion2005-03-09 23:10:58
Another demotion for Snakr!
Sogard 2005-03-10 03:45:09
I'd say I'm shocked, but you'd all know I'd be lying.
Meatwad2005-03-11 23:25:01
Rancr: Suicide is never funny it sucks i almost killed myself while back, dont even try to joke about it
Jorb2005-03-11 23:28:47
Funny how people have the name Unknown when your going to insult someone *pat snakr* silly cowards
Tushie2005-03-16 20:49:52
Will someone explain, how/why did he get demoted?
Sogard 2005-03-17 06:11:43
Check the thread on ER. I think it was along the lines of him just happening to know where to find people while a labbie was in the area playing on the other side, and snakr went after everyone but him. I'm sure namo's 1st or 2nd post gives their exact reason. It wasn't a random punishmet though, but imo, he should be randomly demoted to level 1 if they can't/won't ban him for his already numerous crimes.
Tushie2005-03-17 16:53:30
I'll go look on ER, but what was the punishment? 1 level? 2? 10?
SpankrsMom 2005-03-17 17:23:20
My little sweetie got pwned in the log above. Please enjoy.
Sogard 2005-03-17 19:57:07
Him and his 'labbie' were both set ot level 1 I believe.

Read the thread, i's funny, with the highlights being snakr using a freind's account to comment on his behalf.
Tushie2005-03-23 18:42:48
All char's in account? or just one char? can someone confirm this please?
Joacim2005-03-23 21:58:19
only one char. Sharkon that was.... he and monten got demoted...
Unknown2005-03-24 03:58:45
rancr = snakr? i think i have read all ur logs rancr. damn! u are good! :d i want to say that i think we have some things in commen.. my playstile are simmilar only that u are 50x times better.. I also had a peroid cheating.. multiaccounting, samesidingsell loot:p but i dont do that anymore..
now i am trying to make a new char... but i cant decide.. was thinking of orc shaman:p
Eorlin 2005-03-24 04:00:16
rancr = snakr? i think i have read all ur logs rancr. damn! u are good! :d i want to say that i think we have some things in commen.. my playstile are simmilar only that u are 50x times better.. I also had a peroid cheating.. multiaccounting, samesidingsell loot:p but i dont do that anymore..
now i am trying to make a new char... but i cant decide.. was thinking of orc shaman:p

forgot log in:p incase som1 have ignore on.
Tushie2005-03-25 19:39:22
I broke the 30 min cross races rule once and got -1 level demote. Not many ppl know that.
Gruh2005-03-31 10:38:50
you holy piece of shit snakr (as electy that time)
You try to pretend that from now you try to get fair fight
that you dont loot
at least what you dont need
then you (who had defiled gleaming embellished laced) loot beje gleaming lembellished laced
and rekill on sight
really hope some more fair fights after it ?
the charmie i was sure you had
ok little teasing
but for the rest it's just shit
you lost an opponent and gained one more who will ldkill/overkill you on sight
not that you need more but you will
i mean of course crossrace yells are not meant to be true
but you being lamest shit of the game is true
and your pretending of anything fair is bullshit
Rancr2005-03-31 10:56:55
yeah Gruh, becoz i hate you, you are an ass, and i kill ass ppl.
And im lamer with Electy! he is pure evil cleric only attack spell is harm, what im supposed to do?
gruh2005-03-31 11:00:25
what you are supposed to do ?
what you want of cos, but if you want fair fights you are supposed to act fair at least a tad ?
and now HOW am i an ass ?
dude i unretired few days ago after months
i'm not legend
i did very few but xp until now
now tell me WHAT/HOW i am an ass
i REALLY wanna know

Rancr2005-03-31 11:01:13
your ugly face gives you away?
gruh2005-03-31 11:07:50
spit
ppl here, you undecided yet about snakr, now you know
No argument to say some unknown char (yeah i'm unknown, just xper till 2 days ago) jsut unretired is an ugly ass
i was still pondering you know
all your chars on overkill ldkill samesidelist now
unless you tell me what the fuck i actually DID so you against me
but dont try to say you act like lameass vs me for real reason and not reason of WHO you are
if it's not true
so i really wanna know what true thing there would be
either you confuse ppl
or my memories has major trouble then refresh it tellin me wtf ive done
or you are just the bs fucker many ppl say you are and then enough said. but i still hope not ?
Rancr2005-03-31 11:25:00
you were an orc, i was and helf, you enemy, i kill, i dont care, orc must die.
gruh2005-03-31 11:29:40
ok, np basically with that, except
-quit bs discuss about you did it cause i'm who i am, cause it's not true (or say why, you didnt yet. u yelled about me linklesskiller (lol YOU yell that, well fuck it) but who did i ldkill i dont know, trophy like empty)
-and so much for all your 'i want fair fights' talks, just stop pretending you want em on any char
Tushie2005-04-04 18:01:03
who are you?
gruh2005-04-06 20:11:37
me ? well, secret char, and i wont break secret for snakr ! so since i wont say who i am, you can chose to trust me when i say that no, i didnt make a carreer of samesiding orcs and ldkilling (not even a bit), as he accused me to justify his bs behaviour. Or you can chose to trust rather snakr. Now, who REALLY wants to trust snakr ? at least there's no proof against me (and of course, there cant be !) while he has more than a past... knowing that, it's up to you !
All i stated here is, contrarily to waht he claims, he did act like a perfect ass instead of a fun player. Maybe he confused me with another char though, but ten he could admit that it's possible. Not that anyone cares after all.
Tushie2005-04-06 20:21:18
that doesn't help alot, are you new to mume? how long have you played? do you have other legends or is gruh your only char? where do you play from? do I know you?
gruh2005-04-07 11:14:13
i know it doesnt help a lot !
not new, started few years ago, several legends, mostly darkies, and it's likely i met you (i think so in fact but not 100% sure) but since you off since more than month cant be sure, dont remember who else you play. play from : europ, no more precision. No problem if it doesnt help more, but this i think is max i will say here
Rancr2005-04-07 11:47:21
occured some big problems at your childhood? dad sexually abused you?
Tushie2005-04-07 18:43:23
Rancr? i hope that wasn't Rancr *. Don't let insults get to you, it is unnecessary to use insults.

To Gruh, lately I am leveling up a new orc hitter called impairer. I also played my dwarf Zipper a few days ago, didn't like it and went back to exping my orc.
Gruh2005-04-08 16:59:04
Oh... then, tushie, it was nice to xp with impairer while talking about zipper's last death in wc, or relation was nice then :)
rancr if it's you on the last sentence, this requires no reply of course
& tushie you talk about insults, he insults sure but did i ? i sum up what i say
- if he wants to accuse me of samesiding & linklesskilling, at least name the victims ! (i bet they not even on my trophy)
- HE punishing someone by acting nasty, arguing the someone is a linkleeskiller ? well, better laugh on this !!!
- all this is worthless, enemy is enemy, all means, lies, bad attitudes are ok to kill ? ok ! but then, pretending to be ok fighter fair etc is a lie.
tushie2005-04-28 05:52:33
zipper mobbed lord, and since then died to morrigan and 10 spiders, count them 10. anyhow not sure what I'm doing now, so i logged him and reuqipped him tonight... also didn't do a great job with doors and neyr died in pk and is pissed at me. I may just have to resort to a sucide bn or troll since lately all my deaths have been so lame and I am lost so much.
fredberg2005-04-28 14:17:10
å EIN FØRTI ELLVE!
ASBJOERN2005-04-28 14:17:53
HEY!
DONALD?


HMMMM....
TJA.....
JA.....
Marillion2005-05-03 21:01:06
Sogard, Hangovers are for pussies that can't handle their Alcohol!?
I've often thought you were some dumb christian orso, but seriously you've never had a hangover?
Probably because you drink 1 or 2 "glasses of wine" tops:(
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