About one week ago I was piddling around with a newbie troll named "Crapsack" when I started getting menacing messages and threats to change the name. One ainur, in particular, was harassing me while invisible. Of course, that in itself is a rule violation. As it turned out, the offending ainur was Yavanna.

At the time, I noted that there were a couple of char names that seemed a lot worse than Crapsack playing troll at the same time.
Crapsack is an EXCELLENT troll name. Trolls are primitive and vulgar beasts. Crapsack is appropriate and VERY rp. Crapsack has a crude edge without being overtly offensive. (When I defended the name, Yavanna haughtily dismissed the reasoning and told me it was not my "place" to argue because the name was "deemed juvenile." Apparantly I am not only juvenile, but so insignificant that I cannot have an opinion or defend my choice of names. *sob*)

One character that I pointed out to Yavanna was "Brainsurgeon." Yavanna told me that "Brainsurgeon" was talking with Staer to come up with a new name. Today (a week later) I logged on a retired char (because that's all I have left now) and lo and behold "Brainsurgeon" is a hero+ character with a title and everything.

What I though particularly amusing was that Yavanna could only associate "crap" with "poo" (her term) and that's why the name "Crapsack" was so offensive to her. We don't want "poo" jokes apparently, although I had not made any to anybody at any time so I'm not sure where that came from. Crap, of course, has other connotations, which makes a name like Crapsack delightfully ambiguous.

If the "name police" are going to have "standards" (however screwed up) they should at least have the integrity to apply them equally to everyone. This looks like the typical MUME justice system where the offense if defined by who you are (or who you talk to) rather than by what you did.

I also found Brainsurgeon's greatest contribution to MUME to date posted on the troll board:

Message 18140 : Re: hey newbie (Brainsurgeon)
Written on Wed Oct 6 09:48:17 2004

Nope! Shit does not happen! Shit actually takes quite a lot of time!

*****

This guy is obviously going to a major contributor to MUME society.

Name policing is an idiotic occupation of gods who have nothing better to do and mortals who want to hurt other mortals for whatever reason.

Seems all we can do is hope that the name policing gods will get tired and go away some day. I gave up on hoping that someone will convince them to stop.

If anyone got any bright ideas how we can make them stop without getting ourselves demoted, please post them here!

I want to make a troll named Poodleclipper. That's a lot like a brain surgeon only you work on the outside of a poodle instead of poking around on a bunch of gooshy people brains. Most poodles are nicer than people, too. If Brainsurgeon is a good troll name, I should be able to use the name Poodleclipper. Purpleastronaut and Aeronauticalengineer would also be good names, so I got dibs on those ones too. I wonder if Proctologist is taken yet. I'm calling dibs on that one too just in case it is somehow miraculously still available.

Proctologist the Hobbit enters from the East.
You hear the snap of a rubber glove.
You try to flee, but cannot, as your pants drop magically around your knees. . . . .

I highly doubt J.R.R. Tolkien would ever come up with such a name of "Crapsack" for one of his Trolls. 8/

If you look at the 'rules names' you will see the following:

I.) Overall inappropriate names:

1) Names that contain profanity or derogatory comments.

2) Names that contain advertising or brand names.

3) Names that contain references to any non-Middle-Earth fictional world.

4) Names designed to take advantage of game mechanics.

I see two of those you conflict with already.

1. The name does not conflict with ANY of the rules you cited EXCEPT in your highly subjective opinion, which is clearly influenced by your desire to find a conflict so you can defend Yavanna (which is either you or your pal---who ever knows). Despite what you may have heard, I am not part of an advertising campaign to promote Acme Crapsacks (the brand to buy when it's time to bag your crap).

2. How many JRRT trolls were named Brainsurgeon?

3. What do you know about what JRRT tastes in troll names? FYI, I had a seance last Tuesday and JRRT told me he likes that he really likes my name and just wishes he'd been clever enough to come up with better names for all his characters (and two of his children).

I wish I could share your good opinion of MUME high management, Crapsack. I would never think that certain people up there might be players of high level BNs...

crapsack is a stupid name and you should know that, how about you come up with a name that is orginal. You can come and whine all you want about other peoples names, its not thier fault you picked a stupid, out of context, and innapropiate name.

Dear Shitbag:

You conclusory opinion is crude, inarticulate, poorly punctuated and completely misses the point (which I won't bother to explain).

I will disregard it.

Well, look at the trolls Tolkien did name?

William, Bert and Tom.

Don't look particularly crude or juvenile to me.

Crapsack is obviously a bad name, even though name police can get out of hand these days, Crapsack is just out of question.

Quote: "Crapsack is an EXCELLENT troll name. Trolls are primitive and vulgar beasts."

Are you kidding me? Yes, Brainsurgeon needs a namechange, I agree with you there, but Crapsack sucks anyway.

William Huggins, Bert and Tom were not the true names of the foul-mouthed trolls who captured Bilbo, but a translation by Tolkein. The true names are a mystery. (I know, but I'm not telling. I will tell you, however, that none of the three were actually named Brainsurgeon.)

Some moron did a male Orc named Kerstin too i noticed, hope that bastard got what he deserved!

Yeah mume management are corrupt, inefficient, unskilled, incompetent, stupid, biased, overweight nerds, but come on, 'crapsack' is just asking for it. All three of crapsack, yavanna and brainsurgeon should be demoted to level 1 for being a bunch of fucking retards.

I dunno what to think about the Crapsack issue. On one hand, I do not know if Crapsack is an appropriate name. Are there any specific consequences for having poor names besides not getting a newbie kit? And besides, trolls tend to delete, so most offending names don't last that long anyway. I personally wouldn't make the choice of Crapsack, but thats just me. Hope it all turns out ok.

Yes Niumran, you can be force-renamed and if you are a legend, you lose 2 levels for it.

I would not claim either Crapsack or Psilocybin were good names, but did these hurt anyone? No. Problem is, there are way too many gods who enjoy name policing and way too many mortals who take advantage of them to screw other mortals.

We all know that name police does not stop at Crapsack or Psilocybin. Without thinking, I can recollect people demanding namechanges on Skyhawk (concatenation), Dushegub (looks like douchebag), and some name like Charizade (sp? think it was supposed to be a pokemon). I bet everyone here has more examples.

Dear Elizalde, how do you know that tomorrow someone will not claim that Elizalde sounds like a character from some book, means something in Estonian, or is close to some brand name? And the worst part is - you may lose 2 levels if this happens.

Dear sweet Unknown,

I don't know that someone will not try to claim my name is from a book, means something in another language, or is close to some brand name. I am quite suprised someone has not tried to demote me 2 levels over it (especially on other characters of mine who probably don't have the best 'rp' name).

But we are not talking about me, we are talking about Crapsack. 8p And when someone has a problem with my name, I will have to deal with it.

And btw, I am not speaking for anyone else such as one of the Valar or Yavanna, Crapsack.

Dear Elizalde (which incidentally means in the ancient lost language of Mesophyloneum "of or pertaining to rectal dysfunction," so you should get about a 5 level demotion if Mesophyloneum ever catches on again):

Actually we are not talking about Crapsack, we are talking about hypocrisy.

There is no need to discuss the name "Crapsack." People should stop being so prissy. Trolls are foul, crude and obnoxious and their names should, ideally, reflect that. It wouldn't work for a hobbit or an elf or an orc. It would be a good title for Phier. And it's a perfect troll name. I've already decided it is a good name and people who don't like it can go make gibberish inspired names to their hearts content. I don't bother them, they shouldn't bother me. End of discussion.

EXCEPT, if Yavanna and the name nazis are going to harass me, they shouldn't do it when some nitwits named Brainsurgeon and Tworocks (mmmmm, what is that supposed to reference) are sitting in the same room as I am. Yavanna is a liar (because she told me Brainsurgeon was getting a forced name change when he wasn't) and a hypocrite. I think people should know that.

(P.S. I think Tworocks' whois is clever, but the name isn't about math.)

I talked to brainsurgeon today, there is apparently a bug in the code and they can't change his name, also ther is no one named tworocks.

Everyone with nonTolkien name should be shot!

Both of the names suck. But as there is no one here of the A+ or V+ involved with namechanging, all you guys can do is make hypothesises.

If only I was in charge *sigh*

Naga, with this name you have no leg to stand on. If name police was consistent, you should have been force-renamed.

I do not see anything wrong with my name. I am a serpent, half-woman, half-snake and I roleplay as one. Hence I perfectly fall in the same category as one of the Ainur that followed Morgoth.

If you desire to put any other information to the name, such as Warcraft III's Naga and so on, that is entirely your choice.

Anyhow, at least it's better to have a name then to be a total moron and post as "Unknown".

It is not my fault that I cannot remember my password. *sigh*

On the rules names issue, I do not agree with the fictional world theme. I feel it is merely there to say that "Luke" is an okay name, but LukeSkywalker is not.

So if I had taken my real name, GraciaelNagaSeyruun, that one should have been renamed :)

Naga, many people have reasons for posting as Unknown. Before calling someone a moron, realize that you are coming out as a moron for not realizing that.

Half-women half-snakes did not exist in Tolkien's world, neither as mortals, nor as Ainur. You are definitely a creature from an uncompatible mythology and hence should have been forcefully renamed if name police was consistent.

Luckily for you, it is not. IMHO it would have been better for everyone if name police was completely gone and gods did only the most necessary renamings.

"The name does not conflict with ANY of the rules you cited EXCEPT in your highly subjective opinion"

Crapsack, if you knew the rules, then you'd know that it's *enough* if *just one* V+ thinks your name is not suitful. That's the rule, live with it.

Besides that, afaik the brainsurgeon case is not so simple. As, afaik the same player use to have a troll named brainsurgeon around 94-97. I do not claim to know more than that about the case, but perhaps that's the reason why he is allowed to have such name, "again".

Dear Androg:

You say, "That's the rule, live with it." I say "No." No, I will not live with a rule that means that some gutless bully can harass me and push me around. I don't like bullies and I don't like hypocrites.

As far as "Brainsurgeon's" name is concerned there is nothing in the rules grandfathering names. A bad name is a bad name and can be force changed. The earlier explaination that there is a bug and his name couldn't be changed is bullshit, too. Were that the case, he would be valed until his name could be changed. Brainsurgeon is just somebody's pal and the rules won't be enforced. The reason that some bad names don't get changed is the MUME is thoroughly corrupt. The name police simply reflect that greater problem.

Crapsack is a bad name. Get over it.

How about Oscarmeyer? Is that not the name of a freaking hot-dog that plumps when you cook em? Where was the name police on that one?

Cry us a fucking river Crapsack. If you want to bitch, then bitch about Superdeathflame, granted that player being allowed to use the name is a special case from what I've heard.

MUME's upper management is hypocritical, everyone knows that, and it's not going to change, so just deal with it.

Dear Sogard:

If by "so deal with it" you mean to accept it uncritically, I will not. I will leave that strategy to sheep and old women.

Superdeathflame is one of many names that I think are silly and inappropriate. There are lots and lots. (What about Trix? He's named after a breakfast cereal and they erected a statue to the guy. And he still has a L48 troll by the name. How about changing that? Maybe I could change my name to Wheaties, I like that okay.)

Ultimately though, the point is not how many bad names there are, but why some don't get changed. I must agree that MUME's upper management is hypocritical. Maybe they'll be a bit less so if it pointed out now and again. Okay, maybe that won't work either, but I'm still going to do it.

Namepolice must die for anything other then offensive or ladygaladriel-like names. I guess it's just proof that we have too many gods with too much spare time on their hands, or that a bunch of them got their priorities wrong (in additional to having too much spare time)? And Sogard is, of course, absolutely righ: it is all about who you know. And it won't change, so don't even try (or cry about it).

Guess what? Accept it or not, you have no say. Regardless of how stupid you, or anyone else finds the judgement of a Valar or Arata to be, it's law as far as you're concerned. Also, if you knew who Trix was, or why SDF is allowed to havew that name, and you'd stop being such a petty bitch, you'd come out of this situation alittle wiser.

Some people are just... 'special'. So trix has a statue, big deal. Dain(?) made his retired puke into fnost's warrior gm, yet won't even let it show up in #trophy properly (the mob, Huor, shows up as 'The Knight', or something along those lines).


Remember kids, when it comes to mume, it's not what you know, but who you know. Or more importantly, how many high level imms you've got connections with. Isn't corruption and a bias management grand? :)

Dear Sogard:

I have been around for about 10 years. I knew Trix and I knew Superdeathflame, though I never thought much of the latter. Trix was a lot of fun, actually, but he's still named after a breakfast cereal in clear violation of an express provision of the name rule. Far more so than the name "Crapsack." The rule in fact is prefaced with a policy for in-character names. There is no better name for a troll than Crapsack. Maybe Wheaties. That would be good, too.

There is no "special person" exception. If there was I could name myself Iwannahawkaloogi (which somebody already took *sniff*) and get away with it because they don't come much more special than me. :-D

You seem to understand the problem; you don't seem to understand the solution. You are not so wise as you might think, grasshopper. But I appreciate your input anyway.

If you knew him and respected him, why blame or use him as an example of a bad name?

Maybe it illustrates the difference between me and the name police. Just because I like somebody or remember someone favorably doesn't mean they get a free pass from me. Can you understand that?

I hope, poor dear Unknown, that you someday have a name, too. If you want, you can have Poodleclipper. I've decided not to use that one after all.

Thx

It might be of some entertainment to know that 'Crap' originally referred to Sir Thomas Crapper, the inventor of the modern Water Closet type of crapper.


or maybe this is just an urban whatchamacallit

anyway you should all have cool names like me

Sogard, I am sure that the hurricanes in Florida and every natural disaster around the world are also MUME management's fault, according to you.

I do not trust MUME management. But I think you can stop obsessing about it already and crying "wolf" at the fact that Trix (and not only him) has a statue, that Dain renamed the Fornost warrior GM as a joke, and that MUME management has more sense than renaming 10-RL-year-old characters named when the rule did not exist (I would applaud them for that, actually, that shows that they still have a bit of common sense left).

You've cried wolf so many times and for so little reason, that I doubt that anyone is listening to what you say. Are you enjoying your well-earned position of a troll?

(You are probably going to say "post under your own name". That is what people usually say when they get beaten by an unknown poster so badly that they cannot think of any reply.)

Dear Last Unknown:

Rarely has anyone completely missed the point of so many arguments all in one place. It is fortunate that you do not have a name, because you would have disgraced it with your blabbering.

Is the name "SpUnKgUzZLeR" acceptable?

How about "Wannahawkaloogi"? Sounds very troll-like! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

not.

How about a troll called 'Crapsack' !!!11 LAUGH

Hah this is fun :D

Every comment that starts with Dear <something>
contains extremely annoying whining it seems.

Dear Britney

All of those above comments seem to have originated from Crapsack!

Dear Naga

That was pretty much my point :D

Dear Naga and Britney:

I'm sure you think any comment with which you disagree is "whining." That's a cheap label of quick resort for the simple minded.

It's just bizarre that either of you would have the temerity to speak out, so I suspect that you are not who you claim to be. Posting under those names must be somebody's idea of a joke. Neither of the names is (a) original; or (b) appropriate. Naga (the half-snake, ha ha ha) was already addressed above. Britney is a name for a kewpie doll, not an orc, and you are, of course, trading heavily off the name of a quasi-famous so-called kind of "entertainer" (I use there term loosely) by the name of Britney Spears.

Maybe the two of you should just ask for a name change. If it was up to me, I'd grant the request without penalty. Of course if it was up to me I'd rename you Snakie and Shitney, so you might be better off without my help on this one.

This is real me! Just havent logged on to get password to mume.net.

And are your posts if not whines?
Dain himself accepted my name ( tho not the title 'Spears'!!!!) so i guess i can keep it.
Someone made even an thread to ER about names etc and wanted to make my char to loose her name but it didn't work out.

And what are your posts if not whines i was ment to say!

Dear Britney

Dear sweet tongue-tied Britney.

The world is a bouquet of choices and you were born without a sense of smell.

My posts are a cornucopia of thoughts and ideas and emotions. And maybe just a hint of sarcasm.

Don't struggle with this problem. Go have a cookie and enjoy the rest of your day.

I don't have any cookies and shops are closed already :( Can i just have sandwitch?

Nice Britney has a star now.

Since this discussion has turned sour, I've decided to add my own viewpoint:

Runk, runk, runk! I am so great.

Dear Jahara

No cookie for you.

Runk runk!

Hey bro :D

Just wondering how we really can be sure that Crapsack really is Crapsack? It's not like there's a star after his name... ;)

Yavanna is a) a stupid little kid or b) a stupid little adult. Not once has Yavanna given me a good answer as to why is shy always whining about everything. Crapsack ain't such a bad name. Besides crap doesn't have to mean turd or smth. There are names like Epstein there. What is that a jewish orc??

Reminds me of a log where Yavanna threatened to Elbereth's list a bn for killing lowbie pukes.

I think it was on elvenrunes.

No Unknown, it was going to get Sauron listed, not Elbereth's. :)

http://mume.net/show.php?id=2109

Dear Androg

There are not many things in life that one can be sure of. How can we be sure that some hacker didn't post under your name with your fancy-smancy star?

Well, dear boy (or whatever), I can never have a star. *sob* I am a poor homeless rogue troll, cast out from MUME by an overbearing half-crazed hypocrite who has no appreciation for diverse thought, opinions, or taste. Soon I will fade into oblivion, never again to flap these sweet lips in the defense of truth, justice and the American way.

*****

P.S. Britney: Now _THAT_ is whining.

I doubt I'm alone when I say the sooner, the better.

Dear Sogard

1. So why do you keep coming back to this discussion?

2. I'm sure you spend a LOT of time alone.

3. There's plenty of room left in oblivion. Feel free to join me.

Thanks Mandor/Androg

It had been a while since I read the log :)

Crapsack your name's obviously awful. Make a new character and/or get a life.

Dear Zain

Gee, Zain, if you say so it must be true. Well, maybe not.

FYI, I don't need a new character. I have 2 dozen or more legend characters in my account already. And I've probably had a dozen or so that deleted over time, including an ainu. Somehow I even managed to have about as much life as I can stand while doing it.

The only thing obvious is that you are clueless and don't understand the issue. I'll give you a clue: It's not the name "Crapsack," it is the mean-spirited hypocrisy of the name police.

The name itself is not up for debate. It is a great name for a troll and that will be true whether you agree or not. I neither need nor seek your approval.

What, by the way, is a "Zain?" I kind of remember reading a comic book once that had a woodchuck named Zain or Zaen or something like that. Maybe it was a gopher. You're not some kind of half-woodchuck or a half-gopher or half-gopherchuck kind of thing are you? Maybe it is just gibberish you think sounds good? Don't be ashamed, I have lots of names that are nothing more than that. With trolls though, in particular, I just like sensible rp appropriate names with a bit more grit and they don't come better than Crapsack.

News flash, when the vast majority of players agree that your name is stupid, it's stupid not good. :P


You seem to miss the point that 'crapsack' isn't a good RP name for trolls. Tolkien shows them to be smarter than the idiot mume management would lead people to believe.


Get over the hypocrisy, there's no chance in hell most/all A+ are ever going to change the type or persons they are. Accept what happened, and get over it.

Dear Sogard

1. The vast majority have not voted one way or the other. You just think the majority agree with your opinion. I, on the other hand, don't give a rip about majority.

2. History teaches us that majorities are sometimes wrong. Majorities don't decide what is right or wrong, anyway. Majorities express a preference between and/or among choices. Nothing more.

3. JRRT trolls weren't exactly brain surgeons. They were crude, loud-mouthed and vulgar. Why would you think minions of Sauron would be something else? Bill, Bert and Tom were a bunch of crapsacks to be sure. You do know they are the 3 trolls who got into a fight amongst themselves and were turned into stone when the sun came up. None too bright, I'd say.

4. Why do you care what I accept and get over? Stop saying that. I don't work that way.

They want all trolls to be called Bert, Bill and Tom and then Bertthesecond billthefourth and so on.

Crapsack pwnz!

But Shitsack pwnz mor! :D

Dear all,

I am sorry i started this idiotic thead, i have come to realize Crapsack is indeed a name only a retard would use to name his troll. Henceforth this thread is closed, and thank you all for your contribution.

I also apologized to Yavanna for my existence, bye.

Dear fake Crapsack

You are a very pathetic person. I pity you.

Love
The real Crapsack

Dear Shitsack,

Your name is very cool.

Thank you,
Shitsa -- Err, Crapsack

Dear everyone.
i hope your not offended when i say when i was reading this i couldnt help laughing at some of the immaturity that names bring out in people that should know better. its rather amusing.
but anyway. im not going to have a whine. just point out a few things.
i agree that MUME management needs a bit of work.... but then MUME management seems to work a lot better that other managements i have come across.
i also agree while some names are obviously not acceptable, it completely depends on the the race and the role the character is playing. for hobbits and men near bree find a list of herbs and plants and name your chacter after those... for hobbits of the shire look in the appendices in the back of the book... im sure the family trees will give you some insipration... for elves... sure use lots of vowels... but dont make it impossible to say or write... dwarves, find names of ores and metals... or names that remind you of hidden stairways, concealed doors and beautiful underground chambers... men, well there are the traditional human names, and also many others in the book...
trolls and orcs are undoubtably harder to come up with names for... but didnt you learn your phonetic alphabet at school... the sounds which sound grating and harsh to your ears seem a very good choice for names... and trolls, just make it simple... short... say 5 letters.
AND DONT FORGET there is always name generators and doublely also there is Ardalambion Languages... and many other numerous sites with the languages of tolkien... use the appropriate language and mix it up a bit and come up with your own name that means something...
come on... we are all tolkien fanatics here (i hope or else im in the wrong place) its not hard to do a little homework before you make a character.
love Nairawen
aka (Elerrina, Palleran, Avensiel)
ps feel free to argue with me... i need a good tolkien argument... im getting rusty... :P

And I'm getting you too Nairawen.

huh?

ps feel free to argue with me... i need a good tolkien argument... im getting rusty... :P

Dear Nairawen

Thanks for the great advice. I've finally found a good name!!!

Warmest regards,
Shivadoakabooti

Dear Nairawen

What does Nairawen mean exactly. I know what Nair is. My grandma uses that to keep her armpits hair free. Nairawen would maybe mean something like "Keeper of the Pits" or "Hairless One" or something like that I guess. Anyway, it sounds pretty official. I think your system is definitely working!

Shivadoakabooti is good, too. You can't argue with results like that.

You just can't let go can you Crapsack?

No, he can't. Regardless of the excuses he gives, he feels a great injustice has been done, so he's going to cry and bitch about everyone else's name now.

Dear Unknown and Sogard

I guess you two just can't stay away either. Nobody is forcing you to read this discussion. You're hear of you own free will. If I "let go," what will you do for entertainment. I don't even want to think about it.

I think Sogard is one of the most humor-deficient human beings I've ever come across. Go read a comic book or something. Try to loosen up a little.

Dear everyone,

Obviously I am just angry and noone seems to agree with me, so I vote that the thread be closed. However, I still feel that management should do something about names such as Brainsurgeon and such, goodbye.

Dear Crapsack

What does Crapsack mean exactly. I know what Crap is. My grandma uses that to keep her toilet full. Crapsack would maybe mean something like "Sack of Crap" or "Bagged Crap" or something like that I guess. Anyway, it sounds pretty official. I think your system is definitely working!

Dear phony Crapsack

It's a shame that you lack the creativity to come up with something better or more imaginative than copying a name. It's not too clever. I guess its better for you, though, if you post under my name, than use one of your own and have everyone know what a boorish melon-brain you are.

Dear Wannahawkaloogi

I'm sure your grandma is still full of crap and you are living proof that the problem is genetic.

I think we've been over the definition before. Feces (or "poo" as Yavanna would call it) is sometimes referred to a crap. Not all crap, however, is feces. In general use, crap is used far more often to refer to non-feces. Crap is an amazing and useful word. For example, when you finish eating a chocolate donut, you have crap on your face that is not "poo," but when you finish having sex (at least doing it your way), you have crap on your face that IS poo!! Isn't that remarkable.

The only problem with the name Crapsack is that there are lots of people like Wannahawkaloogi who were so traumatized during toilet training that they can only associate the term "crapsack" with feces.

"I'm sure your grandma is still full of crap and you are living proof that the problem is genetic."

I have no hell of a clue how you managed to come up saying that my grandma is full of crap, when I specifically said her toilet.

Btw since when did I only mention crap as feces? I believe I said "Sacked Crap" and "Bagged Crap," moron. Forget your fucking 10 years of play and finally realize that Crapsack was never meant to be a troll name? Idiot.

Sigh....

Dear Wannahawkaloogi

You sound angry. I hope it was something I said.

Dear Crapsack

Yes, I am full of crap. The feces kind, too. Just keep your nose out of it. It's not nice to make fun of old ladies with chronic constipation. You wouln't believe how many toilets I filled up today alone and I still need to go!

You're right about my grandson Wannahawkaloogi, though. He was a real toilet training terror, by cracky. I guess we shouldn't have waited until he was 19 years old to get started. Frankly, I don't think he ever really got the hang of it. And I should know, I'm the one who has to wash his underwear. At least the ones we don't just burn.

Dear Crapsack.
actually nairawen is elvish... naira in quenya means 'heart of flame' and the wen part means maiden. so put it together and it means maiden with a heart of flame. just like Palleran means 'far wanderer'... Yavanna means 'fruit giver' and Aldawen means 'tree maiden'... and Elerrina (crowned with stars) is actually named after the alternate name of Taniquetil (the high white peak) which is the tallest mountain in all arda.

and can we PULEEEESSSSE stop with the crap jokes.... i mean the toilet jokes... this shouldnt be about one name being worse than anyone elses... or better... just the appropriateness of the name keeping in tune with the role playing part of the game.... and the ways MUME management can make name changes without being too harsh and sticking strictly to the guidelines set.
if you want to make toilet jokes... wouldnt it be better to start a new thread... maybe called... lets bag every persons right to privacy about their toilet habits or lack of thereof...
Namarie (farewell for those people who dont speak quenyan)

It's pity that players like Crapsack spend not just months or years, but decades annoying the decent part of mud-population.

Dear Androg

It is amazing how stupid you can be in 20 words or less.

Your remark is a generalization unsupported by facts. Please specific cite conduct from each year of each decade that you claim I annoyed a decent part of the "mud-population" (sic). Of course, you can't, because you don't know what I've been doing until the past couple of weeks when I started posting with Crapsack. You don't know what you are talking about.

A decade is 10 years. To have done anything on MUME for decades would require a minimum of 20 years, i.e. 2 decades, or more of activity. MUME hasn't been open for that long, so no one, not even me, has had the opportunity to spend "decades" annoying anybody.

Since I am posting on this relatively obscure site (no offense Mandor), I don't even have the chance to annoy the "decent part" of MUME's population. That's true whether you mean "decent part' in a statistical or moral sense.

Let me point out, too, that nobody forced you to read this discussion board. You don't get here by mistake, so it is particularly asnine for you to be complaining about how annoying it is.

You have nothing to contribute. Go back to elvenrunes where you belong. They'll protect you from objectional content, so your decent self won't get so annoyed. You'll still have to deal with a bunch of crapsacks there, but none of them will be me.

Dear Crapsack,

You ARE a sack of shit. Your posts are nothing but insulting to everyone, and all you're doing is nit-picking everyone's posts for punctuation and grammar errors because your real arguement dosn't have a leg to stand on, isn't that the truth?

Your name is offensive to people, contains vulgar words (crap is shit, shit is poop, poop is crap, Crapsack is a SHIT NAME!!!)

Personally, I'm all for you calling yourself a sack of shit because I think it's fitting....

Dear Unknown

Wow, you have some serious toilet training issues.

You also appear to have a reading deficit. I haven't been the least bit focused on correcting spelling and puncuation, but addressing specific comments (usually unflattering) directed to me. A lot of folks can dish it out, but can't take. You are probably one of those. You are legless (and brainless, too).

Yes...I have issues. Everyone that dosn't agree with you has issues in one form or another. I see you're an ameteur psychologist on the side when you aren't playing MUDS. That's great but save your breath. You know nothing. Your name is stupid and offensive.

Dear Unknown

I'm sensing some tension. You seem acutely challenged by my superior authority, intellect and wit and respond with inappropriate tantrums. Have you ever been diagnosed as oppositional defiant?

I think some of your self-esteem issues could be helped if you had a name and a better sense of identity. I already gave Poodleclipper away, but I guess you can have Wheaties. I really wanted to save that one for myself, but it's more important to help you if I can. You're a good person. I know you are. Really, I do. You are just struggling to cope with your inadequacies.

Good luck, dear Wheaties. Have fun. Be well. Live long and prosper.

Dear Crapsack aka Shitsack aka Sir Issues

You suck at names, period. You have no sense of roleplay, period. Period. Period. Period.

Periods...

Dear All,

I've spoken with my grandsons Shitsack and Crapsack, you have to understand them. Shitsack is quite the mental, don't mind him. Crapsack has taken his medication and will be fine for the rest of the year.

Thank you,
GrandmaSack

Dear GrandmaSack

More Prosac, pleeeeeease!

This year's winner of the World's Funniest Grandma Award is:


GRANDMALOOGI ! ! ! ! ! ! !

o CW>
A Toilet
Crapsack is standing here.
Exits: (west)

o CW>
Crapsack hits Crapsack's head extremely hard and shatters it.
Crapsack has drawn his last breath! R.I.P.
Your blood freezes as you hear Crapsack's death cry.

o CW>l i corpse
a corpse (here):
a pile of feces

Dear Crapsack

Oh. My grandma pwns your gradma, period.

Officially sponsored by Brainsurgeon.

You pathetic people who think it's your right to do exactly as you want need to be exterminated from MUME. The gods are pathetically leniant.

Is Crapsack Toigan? He sure bitches like him.
Why don't you just shut the fuck up already and be grateful that Staer sucks at his job?

Dear Sogard

I have a unique style. I'm much better at "bitching" than Toigan, if that's what you want to call this discussion.

You, on the other hand, are a muffin sucking punk. What in the world is the matter with you? Your issues are well beyond my masterful psychological insight into human nature. It's times like this I wish Sigmund hadn't died. The best I can figure you are just a world-class idiot. You keep coming back to check what I'm saying and then tell me to "shut the fuck already." That's moronic. Let me put this in terms that you can relate to: Why don't you just stay the fuck away already and be grateful that Staer sucks at his job?

Sogard, if you can read this you are too close. Go away.

I wish mume.net had the 'ignore discussion' feature. I bet shitzack would be alone here in no time then!

About the name issue. Your name sucks. Period. Period. Period. Period. Period. Period. Period. Got it, shithead?

Dear Androg

Just when I think Sogard is the biggest moron in the history of MUME, you pop up out of nowhere to take the prize. Sorry Sogard, you've dropped into 2nd place.

You need an "ignore discussion" feature to avoid this discussion? That's easily as stupid a wish as anyone ever made. You want to know how to ignore this discussion? Don't click on it when you visit mume.net.

If there was such an option, I doubt I'd end up alone. I can't even keep you and Sogard out of here.

Androg, if you can read this you are to close. Go away.

Dear Androg

Just when I think Sogard is the biggest moron in the history of MUME, you pop up out of nowhere to take the prize. Sorry Sogard, you've dropped into 2nd place.

You need an "ignore discussion" feature to avoid this discussion? That's easily as stupid a wish as anyone ever made. You want to know how to ignore this discussion? Don't click on it when you visit mume.net.

If there was such an option, I doubt I'd end up alone. I can't even keep you and Sogard out of here.

Androg, if you can read this you are too close. Go away.

Hahahahahahahahaha I've got to tell you guys, that this is the funniest discussion that I have ever witnessed! I do think that some of you just need to lay back and not care so much... you're way to uptight!
I can't say that I like the name Crapsack a whole heck of a lot... but that isn't my decision to make... I do however think that P of Crapsack is as halarious as the hills!!
Have a lovely day:)

Dear Milano

The world needs more people like you. :-D

And two less than have posted so far. I think you know which two since they are Androg and Sogard.

Snakr reads and Snakr likes.

Snakr can read? Wow!

Snakr read that and Snakr dont like that.

stop replying, and this thread will die. Nobody besides crapsack really cares anyway.

Why doesn't the real Snakr get a star to prove he is who he says he is?

Or is account nuked ;)

Current odds on the true identity of cocknocker:

Cocknocker = Androg: 2 to 1
Cocknocker = Sogard: 2 to 1
Cocknocker = Mandor: 100,000 to 1
Cocknocker = Manwe: 1,000,000 to 1

I vote Mandor. I've always been suspicious of him.

Moi?

Dear Crapsack,

I admit I am confused. If you don't want people posting their opinions about your name and you don't want people disagreeing with you about the immortals' behaviour and you don't want people giving you advice on how to proceed after the incident you described, then what exactly do you want with this thread? Do you want all people to agree with you? Or maybe you want them to take some action?

Thanks in advance for clarifying this issue for me.

He just likes to whine. Crapsack's probably GwBush. If you don't think his name is great, then he'll invade you with insults! What hasn't he touched yet? I recall someone's grandmother being shit-something, as Crapsack announced, I recall him calling every single one disagreed with him at least a moron. Oh well, have fun, keep up the spirit. :)

Dear Unknown

I want everybody to agree with me, then we should organize a lynching party and hunt down Yavanna.

Or, we could just discuss things. You don't have to agree. But I don't have to agree when you disagree. You can advise, but I can choose to not take the advice. You can post insulting remarks, so I can rip you apart in a response, and then you can complain like a baby about how I invade you with insults.

Dear Androg

You just can't stay away can you. If there was an "ignore discussion" option, you wouldn't use it anyway. I should start charging admission!

I think if you relied on facts rather than your selective memory and vile imagination you would find that my more pungent remarks are responsive. If you are going to post insults, which you like to do, don't be suprised when someone responds. You are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black!!

Does this look familiar:
"About the name issue. Your name sucks. Period. Period. Period. Period. Period. Period. Period. Got it, shithead?"

It should, because you posted it. Gee, I wonder why someone might get the impression that you are a moron.

By the way, it is Grandmaloogi's who is full of crap. Don't bother looking back. You won't understand it anyway. I am posting for a target audience of reasonably intelligent adults. I'll post something for you when Mandor impliments an "Upload Coloring Book" function. However, I did not call her or anybody a "shit-something," but the tempation is growing stronger as this missive progresses.

Why don't you just forget this discussion ever happened. Go have a happy life and stop being such a twit. Even if you can't stop, it would be a lot harder for people to notice if you just keep your mouth shut. It would also cause less air pollution. So, you'll be helping yourself AND the environment!!!!

We love you Crapsack!!

*Enthusiastice cheers in the background as thousands of Crapsack fans go wild*

Current odds on Crapsack's true identity:

Crapsack = GW Bush: 1,000,000,000 to 1
Crapsack = Manwe: 1,000,000 to 1
Crapsack = Mandor: 100,000 to 1
Crapsack = Androg/Sogard: No way, the guy is just too smart!!
Crapsack = Grandmaloogi: Even money.

I'm too smart or Sogard's too smart?

Oh wait a sec, never mind, Sogard's an american, can't be smart then... Thanks for the compliment, Croupier! :)

How come Adrog hates Americans and Sogard so much? He sure seems to think a lot of himself, but there doesn't seem a good reason for that at all.

Current odds on Androg's intelligence:

Androg is smarter than Crapsack: No chance.
Androg is smarter than Mandor: 100,000 to 1 against
Androg is smarter than Sogard: Even money
Androg is smarter than a rock: 50,000 to 1 against
Androg is smarter than GW Bush: 1,000,000 to 1 against

Don't insult my by insinuating that I'd give a damn enough about a mume.net argument as to post under a fake name.

Crapsack, since you're simply the idiot that you believe me to be, perhaps I am maybe, just maybe, pushing you so see what happens? It doesn't matter what you think about me, but regardless of what you think, you act just like Toigan. :P

And Androg, I've never seen you post anything to give me reason to think, even for a moment, that you're my intellectual equal or superior, so stop posting your 'Croupier' garbage. :P

Dear Sogard

You just can't stay away, can you? I don't think your fixation with me is healthy for either of us. Androg is obviously jealous, too, and starting to call you names. I don't know if you've read the new recipe discussion, but Androg is posting stuff saying he wants to eat me. What a sicko!! I've changed all the locks on my house, but I still don't feel safe.

It only occurs to me that you are trying to pretend you were "pushing to see what happens" to try and cover up the stupid stuff you've said. I think you thing were taking your best shot to be clever, but you lack any ammunition. I don't know who Toigan is and why you think that is signficant. I suppose it is someone you hold in little esteem. That's hardly consequential to me. What's obvious is that you cannot deal with me straight up, so you are trying to associate me with someone you see as a weaker target against whom you have some better chance. It is convoluted and delusional thinking. It won't work that way. Give up already.

Why put fuel in the fire Crapsack?

If you no longer post, all of this will disappear.

Note that Crapsack has been saying "You just can't stay away, can you?" in all of his posts lately. Running out of insults?

And Croupier is obviously a moron.

Dear Groupier

Note that I have used the phrase "You just can't stay away, can you?" in only two posts. If you have to exaggerate, manipulate and distort facts to make a point, you don't have a point to begin with. To do it when the truth is readily verifiable is moronic. To keep the phrase in context, let me point out that it was directed to two people (one of which is probably you) who complain about what's posted, but keep coming back for more. You might also note that the two posts that contained the phrase also included ample insights that feeble-minded marsupial molesters such as yourself might consider insulting. I don't think I'll run out of insults anytime soon. I haven't even started being insulting. If I ever take off the kid gloves, I'll make the baby Jesus cry.

And in defense of Croupier, at least he had the originality to come up with his own name rather than rely on an unimaginative and meaningless derivative like "Groupier." It's obvious that you don't even know what a croupier is. (And don't go look it up and pretend like you knew all along.)

Hahha i couldnt make a troll named Bratwurst~~ it was to juvenile

Current odds on whether Croupier knows what he's talking about: 100,000,000 to 1. :)

Dear Crapsack,

Or not.

Dear Crapsack,

I'm gonna log my troll and same-side your lame-name having bitch-ass!

Dear Unknown

Feeling kind of butch today, aren't you? That's pretty big talk for someone too cowardly to post in the name of the character you are going to same-side a level 6 troll with. How pathetic you are.

Dear Corny (or as we like to call you, Bratwurst):

Does anyone seriously think being "juvenile" would upset the refined and erudite people who are wandering around Arda being trolls, elves, and hobbitses butchering anything that doesn't eat them first? If there is not a lot of kid in you, you're probably not playing MUME anyway.

Bratwurst is good name for a troll. Tagging you with the "juvenile" label is some A+ trying to be grown up by denigrating anyone with a whimsical flare. They are overcompensating for insecurities about their own maturity, probably arising out of their juvenile devotion to a mud. You see, in their convoluted reasoning, MUME will be an "adult" game if it is taken really, really seriously and no one has fun and/or exhibits "juvenile" behavior. When MUME is a grown up game, they'll be grown ups, too. It really sort of sad.

Anyway, dear Bratwurst, don't let them get you down, you were just trying to have fun.

Crapsack forgot to ignore on my comment above... shit... I feel so ... lonely... now. Please, Dear Crapsack, say something to me too!!! ;)

Relating to something a few dozen posts up,SDF had an enforced name changes months ago.

As of 10/23/04:

Superdeathflame Top Sage & Head Chef of the Deathflames is a level twenty-seven Eriadorian Soldier [Retired].
Last login 6 months and 5 days ago from *.com.

Gorthauk: Please put your hands on your head. You are under arrest. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used as grounds to beat you more severely.

There's a better chance of Isengard and Rohan opening by the time you read this post than there is of SDF getting a forced name change going by what I've heard of the person and why they still have that name (some oldbie and as far as name rules go, they're de posto facto as far SDF is concerned).

SDF rawks!

SDF rawks!
CS (Crapsack) will never!

I miss HolyElf.

He is teh Tutti!

HolyElf was a better name *nod self*

Yes, much better than Crapsack.

Im sure he had a name change ,guilty as charged.I plead diminished responsibility

HolyElf was Vainamoinen I thought?

I thought he was vaina too.

i'm going to go out on a limb and say i think crapsack is a good name for a troll.

I'ts pushing the bounds of decency though and i woudn't like to see names that go much further. The only grounds on which i would ban it (if i were a god) would be because of children who play mume, but there wouldn't be much point in that because much worse can be said at any time on narrates (i know i've fucked a few times : P ), and the kids probly know much worse too : )
Crapsack is a vulgar name but it works because it is for a vulgar creature. Although maybe you could plea to keep it on the grounds thats "craps" is a dice game and your name means something to do with luck ?
I like your name Nairawen, it looks like you go to my school of char naming....hope you don't mind the extra 'a' in my name, i wanted the name to sound more flowing : )

ps. everyone calm down : )

ffs Nimawen!

WTF OMG FUCK!

Nimawen is standing here.

o!>
Nimawen has joined the dorkside.

Unknown sucks balls.

There used to be a troll called crapman, but I doubt that would be allowed these days. I think that whatever god it was who was hassling him was overreacting.

I was created so i could have a few laughs with a fellow
fan of hitch hikers guide to the galaxy. I realised my existance would be short as my creator had many other more important chars to attend to. I was surpised at how short lived it turned out to be.

I prayed for a newbie kit and was told my name was unacceptable. I asked why and i was told my name was the also the name of a popular instant messaging program. I said i was unaware of this and that my name came from a character in the afor mentioned novel. The reply was that it was still not very tolkienish.

I like it when others use tolkienish names and i normally do myself. But there are far more out of place names out there. I never believed that the name police hipocracy was so bad until this happened. I can see that if my life meant more to me than it did, i could have been as inraged as crapsack and others have been.

There must be millions of software and company names out there that sound like, or are names that could be suitable. Is there a macdonald in the game? Would he be banned for having the same name as a fast food chain? Would the counter attack be that it is not tolkien enough (bearing in mind the names of some of the gods)? Would all scottish names be banned? It seems names are banned because of what some of the gods happen to associate with a particular word, regardless of the fact that words can have several meanings. (a thought that springs to mind, although unrelated in my case, is that a dirty mind can see an inuendo in just about anything)

Goodbye cruel world!

-Trisha Mcmillan-
(Trillian)

This thread rocks!1!

I think that name-policing is important and should be taken more seriously. Also think that the conjunction of two words should be added as a rule (of something NOT to do). Names like hotdog hammerhand poseidonadventure ..... i'm too imaginative to come up with such stupid names.


------Today's conversation with the ainur------
Caldan tells you 'But he didn't spell the first word wrong. Therefore it's not
actually a word.'

!# cW Mana:Burning>
Caldan tells you 'Therefore there's no problem.'

!# cW>
Caldan tells you 'Right?'

!# cW>
t caldan wrong
Ok.

!# cW>
t caldan if i made a charachter made fuktard or fukinu ... would be illegal? i spelled it wrong
Ok.

!# cW>
Caldan tells you 'Looks legal to me!'

You're right, ainu really don't give a shit about some people, and others just were raised in mental communities (like Caldan). It's like a capitalist society, only a few get rich the rest live in shitholes.

I mean look at this:

Madbunny is a Dwarf.
Last login 22 days and 6 hours ago.

This name's a fucking year old, I swear.

Isn't it ironic that the anal retentive dirtwad who doesn't like the "conjunction of two words" used as a name thinks he is "too imaginative to come up with such stupid names," but he wasn't imaginative enough to come with a name for his post. He doesn't even have the imagination to steal somebody else's name. I'm just going to name him Fuktard and be done with.

And the anonymous commie bastard who posted after him should be sodomized repeatedly by Bill Gates someday. Then he'll have a good reason to spout his pinko rhetoric garbage against capitalists. Or better yet, he should move out of his mother's basement and try capitalizing his own worthless existence for a while.

New quacke sucx

Crapsack? Come on you can think of something better, i mean......crapsack.....wtf.....even if you only hit the keyboard you get a good troll name lets say.....Weiug (yes i hit the keyboard for that).....but crapsack.....man...seriously, put that brain to work

Dear Welug: You have no sense of whimsy. It's because you're dumb. Only a monkey picks his name banging out random letters on a keyboard. Are you a monkey? I think not. Monkeys are a lot cuter.

Too bad Crapsack's mama is not a monkey then.

I can only dream of a son as wonderful as Crapsack. Especially if I was lucky enough to give birth to a troll because Crapsack is just a perfect name for a troll. Of course, I'd need a c-section cause them baby trolls are pretty husky, but at least I'd end up with a kid I could be proud of. Just my luck, though, I ended up with some losers named Aciwdkfull, Ocksdkesi, & Welug. It almost breaks my jaw everytime I call those three banana-sucking mongrels to dinner. *sigh* I guess that's what happens when you're a monkey and you have to pick out names by banging out random letters on a keyboard.

Hi I'm crapsack's b rother.

Now if only my son Crapsack was as wonderufl as my other sun Shitbag. I just hate breaking my jaw calling this banana-sucking mongoose called Crapsack. I think I'll disguise Crapsack as a barbie and sell him on Ebay, because he is such a worthless piece of mongoose-shit.

Just leave me out of this.

Okay, yeah, me too.

Oh dear, MrsCrapmonkey, I think one of the local dunderheads posted under your name. I know it's not really you because it's neither original nor funny. I don't think it's even a real monkey, unless monkey brains have suddenly shrunk by 80 percent or so. I'd guess it is probably a really angry 13 year old who had his Barbie taken away because he got caught engaging in unnatural acts with a mongoose.

I just want you to all know it was not consensual.

Mongoose 2006-05-20 12:19:48

Barbie 2006-05-20 12:20:22

Crapsack 2006-05-20 12:30:49

Mongoose 2006-05-20 12:32:55

Crapsack is a really cool guy. No really. He is the coolest person in the world, arguing over a dumb little board over a silly game where he couldn't get what he wanted. Sounds like someone (Crapsack in case he doesn't understand) didn't get past elementary.