Ive made several scouts. a hobbit, and a man, I can't tell witch is better, I have also praced bash with my man scout and that has seemed to ruin his sneaking for life any info you could give me would be very apreciated thanks.

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"whois Blip"

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Which suits you best strongly depends on your playstyle.

Scouts sucks anyway. But hobbits got unplayable these days... So elf is the best way.

Elfs suck at mountains when sneaking so make bobber scout elf or pure dunedain scout

D. none of the above, but if you must whois blip.

I'd make an elf because of nice dex and per, and because the char should be better in snow and redhorn, ages slower, has nicer citizenships and a couple other perks. Hobbit is rather painful because of bad mounts, low strength, and troll being eff vs hobbit.

Notice also who the highest level thieves are. Of course, Ypsilon and Estel are wimps, losers, and glowsword users, but maybe they are doing something right?

High level doesn't equate to power of the character.

Also why whois blip?

Im just curious, how does puke scouts get moves? Seems impossible to me. And, if you come riding into my room, ride away some and try to sneak back in, i mean, are orcs really that stupid? How do you make puke scouts function at all? You dont have draught and your con and base regen basically suck. Maybe *man* scouts got ok regen?

Blip had 16 con base, max dex, third age level 40 he had some 145 moves without travelling.
with travelling up he had 155 moves with insane rege, + he had some 11 vellums, 6 miruvors and 15 zorc/torc flasks for emergencies...
I was never afraid that i can actually die with him, becoz i had so many scrolls, 3 rocks, etc. i was kinda nokill, and wouldnt died to stab with 360 hps.
mostly i was playing him with sting + notrax anyway, so yes, elf scout with fullset is nokill, and wont go moveless.
when i went to slow mps, i just slept half tick and was full again. etc.

So your secret solution to making a scout effective is to get all the best equipment and artifacts, and a high level and loads of scrolls?

And how does a scout do bbt for the sting?

Well, to me, the beuty of the scout is that its easy to reeq. So when I make a scout I want it to function with chanted fang/barbed, orcish short, and fgc(and draught if orc). And not spend ages collecting herblores. Is that possible for puke-scout?

Also, to my playstyle, max-moves is not as important as regen.

Don't make a pure scout, they are fucking boring :) Make a man warthief with bash+stabbing/smiting skills and lots of Con. Not much worries with MPs then even when you don't have gleaming+travelling lore.