ok.. i have never played a spellcaster before...
so i need help making one i have played for about 1 year and never tried spellcasters:P i want offensive spells-- fireball--bolt-quake-burning hands.. anything more i dont know..:P so please help me with stats and what skills to train and what
spells..

Mages are offensive.

Max int, very high will (if not max), high wis (i usually go with about max - 1 or 2). Str and dex are not important, so 10 to 12 is plenty. There are only so many point to spread around, I'd rather have 13 or 14 con than str or dex. About same with per is adequate. If you make an elf caster with something like 11-18-17-11-14-13-16 (str-int-wis-dex-con-per-wil) you should be okay to explore and experiment as a cast.

It's not like there are miracle numbers that will make you successful. You need to mess around some and get the hang of it. Basically, though, if you don't have a superfast link, you are a spam corpse anyway because the casting delay will prevent you from being effective in pk unless you are hiding behind a buff and nobody is spamming k *elf*. That's why the euros put it in.

I don't think you even have enough points to create a char with those stats :P

thnx:P i have a good link though
10ms-40ms

thoose stats dont work lol

any1 help me make a scout/mage?


a scout that can bolt-block and... hmm i dont really know anything else.. any suggestions?

Here is at least an ok elf mage:

10, 19, 18, 10, 12, 12, 16

I dont understand why try recommends really high wil. Not many mage-spells depend on wil. the above stats will give you a max percentage of 107.22 in your main attackspells such as fireball, bolt and the like and also in detectionspells like watch room. it will give you a max percentage of 110.5 in the following spells: create light, armour, shield, store, quake, enchant, shroud.

Why get all that wil i repeat? only magespells that depend on wil are:block door, teleport, dispel magic, portal, charm, sleep.

Unless they completely changed spellsystem lately, wil is DEFENSIVE rather than offensive(reduces spell-damage). Only offensive spell that really really depends on wil is blind, which is a cleric-spell.

I never play mage personally, so mebbe get some more clueful comment before investing hundereds of hours in those stats. I think they pretty good thou. Wil is for mana regen as far as i know but i dont notice much difference. So you might be able to trade some wil for one more per to up bolt and the like. The only spells you gonna eat are from shamans, which cant do much against your stored sprays, and from bns which you rape with bolt, so, spell-defense doesnt seem a priority.

I see that you havent played mage much. WIL alone is not defensive, its a WIL vs WIL battle between the attacker and the defender. If you have high WIL, you'll break the defenders WIL much easier, dealing more damage.

I would personally never create a mage with a mere 12 WIL.

This is of course only what I believe, I haven't abused my position to look at the code, since I have no reason to fiddle with that code right now.

Actually, pure spellcasters are really fragile if you want to solo. If you want a tough char, you should be looking for a combo, but then you won't be a good caster.

I have a 14 18 16 11 15 13 13 (or something like this) mage. Can wield slashing weapons, wear metal, got 200+ hps, but could be a better caster and has no defense (i.e. mage defense). Stores 4 quakes no problem, though. I like it, but if I was making a new mage, I'd make it a combo. Maybe you want something like this?

Mandor said,
I haven't abused my position to look at the code, since I have no reason to fiddle with that code right now.

Ya see, that's why I'll never have much of a possition in any MUD but my own except for a builder. I would be the type who would check the code as soon as I was able to be able to tweak my chars as good as possible or to do what I want them to do as best I can with what the code is.
I suppose that would be cheating, though, and here on MUME, at least, I would probably be demoted pretty quick for doing that.

Eh well. If I ever learn to code, I'll have my own MUD anyway so it should matter little. And, ironically, if somebody got access to look at the code and the first thing they did was check and do what I stated above, I would probably demote them right back down...
I'm such a hypocrit...

At least I'm an honest one, though.

Thanx mandor. But its not really logical to me thou. Because that requires mage to get high int, wis, per and wil and decent others. Which is not possible. All other classes can make max pure class.(cleric with int, wis, wil - - off war with str con wil - - thief with dex per) What you are saying means that its impossible to make pure mage. And mume is usually not designed that way, sortof goes against the strain of the game. Thus, I want more support on the wil issue before I truly believe you.

Perhaps that's why there are few mages in almost all literature. They need many stats high, and that happens really seldom.

Thieves are common, 2 stats to max, and some moderate.
Warrior is easy, just max 3 stats, nothing else.
Cleric or healer needs 3 max stats, but to fight also needs some moderate.
Mage needs 4 stats high, and some moderate...

Then again, these numbers are what we wish to have, not what we can get. All mages needs to comprimise.

If you have questions regarding WIL and spells, try dispel magic with low WIL.

Eh, Caejis, most MUDS have a 'set' command that doesn't involve going into the code, Dunno if MUME's code still contains stock commands like those though.

I thought that the only way to get code access on MUME was to be a certain level or higher, and have someone with code access set you with the ability (or give you the password, I've seen a bunch of different muds use different safeguards for their code).

Mandor writes:
If you have questions regarding WIL and spells, try dispel magic with low WIL.

Well, im not discussing priest-spells, just bolt, fb, bh, mm and spray.

Dispel magic is a mage spell, check "help spell list" again.

Joss, there are plenty of pure mages running around. They are rather fragile, but in the hands of a good player some of them are quite powerful. Look at Raenor. And btw, dispel magic works fine at 13 will unless you try to use it in combat.

And I don't agree with Mandor. A mage needs 2 stats high and 2 more moderate (13-15). And, Mandor, ever tried playing a low con thief? It isn't a pretty sight. Thieves really need 3 stats, not 2. And warrior needs some more stats if he wants to get track.

And uh, I doubt Mandor means he can get access to the game's C-code. That is pretty much known to be an impossibility for anybody except for those who already have it.

And afaik, Caejis, any Mb+ can make a testchar with the stats he likes and tweak his pracs all he wants. Never heard of anyone getting demoted for that.

Mandor is incorrect anyway.

This was all spelled out clearly during the testing phase of the current spell system.

what weapon class should a mage have?

Str:11 Int:19 Wis:18 Dex:11 Con:11 Wil:13 Per:15 .
theese stats ok?

Pierce or Slash probably, since you have the most defense with those (assuming you get any weaponskills at all).

but i need 13 str for slashing:(:(

Str:13 Int:19 Wis:18 Dex:11 Con:11 Wil:11 Per:15.

theese ok? now i can slash.. but i think wil is to low

Str:11 Int:18 Wis:17 Dex:11 Con:13 Wil:15 Per:14 .

Elf caster. Casters don't need to slash. Pierce and use highest parry weapon you can get. Now stop messing around and start playing.

Eket requires far less strength than broadsword or engraved broadsword, and has the same (or very similar) parry.

Plus, there is always the strength spell. +2 strength is easy to get, especially if you will have staff (like most worthless pukewhores do, sadly).

Tell me Caejis, if you play your "worthless pukewhore" do you have staff too ?? or are you only have big mouth now ? i guess todays "darkies" are more pukes then "whities" because all the breelegends moved to noc...

I dont have a character with less then 13 con, anyone else?

what does staff do?

Plus, there are always pounding weapons. Ornate is easy to get, especially if you play in a lab (like most worthless noclegends do, sadly).

every1 suggesting stats here are idiots:P literaly...your stats i wouldnt play...if ya want mage stats ask from me or from Ostu...rest have no clue what mages is all about

ok Rancr i like ur style and i like ur logs so go ahead and please gimme some stats;)

Str:13 Int:20 Wis:17 Dex:13 Con:13 Wil:11 Per:16.
WHO NEEDS WILL for a mage :P screw dispel/sleep
go solo get quakes fucking hurts!

those arnt base

stats: you are one dumbfuck royal...
wil rox for manarege, and yes i trained off my sleep/dispel etc. and took portal and charm, wich is much more fun...but still i dont get fucking base 10 wil? raenor has something like: Str:10 Int:19 Wis:18 Dex:11 Con:12 Wil:14 Per:14 base...and it fucking ownz j00, since age gives +1 str, and spell gives +2 str so i get 13 str to wield eng bs etc. and brd when fighting bns, wil was bit higher b4 reroll, but i dont need so much wil for charm and portal, this wil works fine for me, per is ok since my qsprays do kinda killer dam anyway due level, con 12 is also fine, age gives ya +1 con when ya begin etc. i get 175 hps without praccin endu etc. and its ok.

Rancr has me half-way convinced that he believes his own lunacy. Who gives a shit about your stats, you are 100%* link like everybody else who is sitting on top of the server and nothing else. Move the server to Chicago and you quit in frustration in 20 minutes. For you, any combination on a mage with enough int/wis to cast will work. Skill, planning, strategy, etc. has nothing to do with it. You're all link, but the stats are okay if the guy want to use them. If there were "magic" numbers, everybody would have them.

*Cheating not included.

yawn rancr get mana regean ring and ur fine :P
i thought u knew all :P

little dumb "Geez" it is not so link dependant fucking moron, how do i fucking kill swedes and norway ppl since they have better link? means i die to them becoz they have more uber link? read my logs pathetic fag, then start whining, if you are the sucker who cant pk for shit, then dont be jealous on others who have any BRAIN to pk unlike shitfucks like you. And if your stinky american shitface cant stand the ping, then go play some other mud and dont whine here. I have played tons of other muds where's fast pk and server in states, and i was very successful with 200 ms and noncheating, becoz different from you i know what im capable of, and i know how to push it to the limit. And "Geez" no wonder ya dont get kills from pk if you are a puss who just dont fight noone. Get brains moron.

stats: why the fuck do i want manaring? age + wil gives me manaregen, i prefer copper for AS, and yes i know all, Gray left me all he knows to take his place!

Well done, 'stats', you've posted some stats that aren't base stats, but aged stats, without actually saying which age it is. Well-fucking-done. What use exactly is that to someone creating their character when the 'choose your stats' bit comes up?

Base abilities of my noldo mage: Str:9 Int:19 Wis:18 Dex:9 Con:10 Wil:14 Per:16
Fragile, but I wear thin metals. And of course you need bob with that stats permanently up, and travelling lore too.

Fragile ? :p test this...

Base abilities: Str:10 Int:18 Wis:18 Dex:10 Con:10 Wil:18 Per:9.

and play it as 100% pure cleric :P

I totaly agree with Rancr in that last post.. And its all about he link? Geez, get a grip! ok, I admit link got like 15-20% of the "skills"(as you refer it.)! Take this i.e: About 6 months ago I played from 56k dialup (gave me about 300-400ms) and I never complained (didnt knew better, now did I?) and now, I got 20-28ms. I cant say I've grown more "skills" with this link! Imho thats some bullshit you americans are blaming since you cant get kills? if your link sucks I suggest you do as Eolo or Snarp (play scouts as they dont need rocking link) or just quit MUME as the server is in norway and I doubt it they will move it across continents... anyways, back to the stats; why dont you (me) create your own stats and check out whats best? instead of copying stats from others.. You'll learn more then ;)

*tip Joacim*

why dont you (me) create your own stats and check out whats best? instead of copying stats from others.. You'll learn more then ;)

Khrm... khrmm... khrrrrmmm.... :P:P:P

Arzantor u idiot i didnt say create these exact stats
i just gave (someone) an overall imperession on what to get and if ur really horny go to a stat generator its sinda elf :P

Elaros, I have a dislike for chars with low per, but I won't compare pure cleric (with or without armour/shield?) with my mage who was designed as heavy nuker (and needs the per for many spells). Besides that, my mage is more a mage/cleric combo with all that bob/remp/bless etc. spells.

Unknown 2005-03-25 06:25:48
Tell me Caejis, if you play your "worthless pukewhore" do you have staff too ?? or are you only have big mouth now ? i guess todays "darkies" are more pukes then "whities" because all the breelegends moved to noc...

Sorry it's taken me so long to check back in this thread. I don't visit this site very often.

But no, I don't use staves. Or any foci, for that matter. I've made one staff in my four or five years of play, and that was on Adaric, who promptly lost it because I got bored with the whole uber-puke-caster and started quaking Shire. I took it to Bree's decay room and dropped it and have not been back to Valinor since, with any character.

If I use a staff, I use a rough staff and an opal and call it a day. Much better, much more enjoyable fights and easy as sin to replace when you lose it.
Total cost to make a rough staff with an opal? About 4 gold and ten minutes (assuming making one right after death... Need to kill a few mobs and loot a few eq loads first, you know. Most of the time, however, is still running to either BMs or RD to pick up an opal).

Cost to make a foci staff? Well, assuming you find a branch on your first tree, have a willow group waiting which can kill willow nice and fast and can get to GH and sail as soon as you get there, maybe ten to fifteen minutes. Time before actually being able to use it (this would include time to sail back)? About fifteen to twenty minutes.
Cost for the average player to make a new foci staff? About an hour.

Sure, foci staves don't cost anything when it comes to gold, but unless you know a number of people who are online when you want to make one and have perfect timing with a branch and sailing, it's going to take you a heck of a lot more time to make the foci staff than the rough staff.

Since I don't play much, a few hours a week, I'd rather be actually playing instead of sitting around waiting for the muddle to cycle through so I can do anything.

So, one foci to my name in four to fi

Well my cleric(druid) is designed to heal and support bears :o) thus im perma w/o mana and i need not worry about nuking :o) but yes...low per sucks...

And yes..i dont use any mage spells :o)

And Sogard you always considered my druid as free exp :o) log orc and we can play some :o)

I don't visit this site very often.

Lier!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Your lack of the last comment is also part of this site! :P