Has anyone noticed that the people of mume could care less about one another? I have quit Mume numberous times, simply because I was killed ld and spam looted, or had my corpse burned as a newbie... stupid stuff like this that civilized people... even in an rp situation... would not do to one another! Have you noticed that when your down on your luck... after losing all your eq, or just coming out of retirement with no eq, that unless your a big warlord pker type, nobody will spare a thing to help you back to your former glory!? What is up with this... I love the game, and I always help others... am I the only one?? Any comments on the subject?

Your not alone. I help others alot too, even sometimes when thy seem ungreatfull and dont say thanks :P
There have been times when i havn't gotten the help i think it comes down to there not being enough of us nice people and just plain badtiming! Also if the other 'nice' players are like me we are often out in emptier zones like lorien and arejust not in the right place to help.
Don't give up!
Or give up and do something better with your free time (i often wonder if i should :P)
Or help me write a mud :P

Maybe the things you mentioned have something to do with it. You know... for years I have thought about writing a new mud... with some of the good things that Mume has, but none of the bad! I just don't know how to get started... any idea?

Stop wasting your time trying to bring morality. It's like shoveling shit against the tide. MUD's simply don't attract the wholesome-goodness types. They attract the loners, escapists, non-conformists, in general types that don't fit very well into RL society. An expectation of Harmony in a MUD society is unrealistic as types who are drawn to more chaotic ways are more the norm. Am I wrong?

just play troll!

Maybe for Americans!

You'll find a greater percent of assholes on games like WoW than you will on MUME. However it wont feel like that simply because MMORPGs dont seem to use the full loot setup like MUDs.

You can't change MUME, the gods want the game to be harsh, enemies looting and destroying those they kill, and while human greed will keep many from helping each other, you've got as much chance to cause world peace as you do to make people be nice to each other on a game.

Personally, I don't get why some people act the way they do. I've seen pukemages come back from moria with hundreds of pieces of eq to sell, then watched them sell it all in front of people who are naked and would benefit greatly from a couple of those items.

I don't care much for hoarding. I tend to give out money/tiems once a char of mine has a decent set of eq. I soloed a recent lowbie, and by lvl 10 or 11 it had purchased a thin metal set, mw, and longsword/heavystar. Got both enchanted, and I've probably given out god knows how much stuff to lowbies and naked players. However I won';t hesitate to loot an enemy clean when I kill them. Why? Because that person is my char's enemy, and if I can't benefit from the spoils, odds are someone else can. If it's utter crap though, like plain/leathers, i tend to drop it and spare myself the weight and free up space, but I believe loot is yours to do with what you will, and while it's stupid not to help allies, some people just need to type eq, and see a list of text that makes them smile, or 3/4 digits of gold in their info.

When I first started with MUME there were actually a surprisingly large number of players that helped me out, from advice to equipment. None of it was spectacular, but it was all much better than the crap I had at the time and it was all greatly appreciated. Helping others is also an important aspect of RP, if your character's alignment is better than neutral. Otherwise, you should not choose anything greater than neutral (indiferent).
As far as looting, if I manage to get myself killed I expect whomever helped, as well as anyone that stumbles across my corpse, to help themselves. Of course, I always hope to find my gear on my corpse when I get back to it, but I never expect it to actually be there. That's the price of making poor decisions....

People sucks so much nowadays. Too many imatures on mume lately. Old players still the best, either in pk or rpg. Too many newbie play darkie now. Since darkie is for experienced players, but newbies still newbies. *shrug*

Actually I have noticed, that people without any darkie chars are considered somewhat 'noobish' and 'not-so-good' by oldies... Of course people want to prove themselves and then make darkies to not feel humiliated.

Indeed.
Its somekind of global opinions that player without any darkies chars is considered as a "not-so-good" player.
I play darkies after got and play a bunch of whitie chars for 2 years.
The point is...
First thing I do is learned how to have 'a good' behaviours or manners each others here in this mud. And by that time I didnt feel embaraced for not knowing every little thing about Mume's Arda, or for always got killed when pk.
Well, let's say maybe its because, in the past, there were lotsa great guys here to socialized with (hi Vaina, Junbao...etc =) where're u guys now?).

It always makes me proud to know that mume got such a great players like them in the past... *shrug*

You folks are lookin' through a rear view mirror wearing rose colored glasses. In the bygone days, folks weren't no better than they are now. Most players, past and present, are selfish and egocentric. That ain't gonna change. Just don't count on any help from anybody and you won't be disappointed. And you'll rarely be surprised. The vast majority of people playing Mume are such assholes that even your (former) groupmates won't give you a torch to get re-started if you die. Especially if they'd have to move two rooms to do it. And it's always been that way. Three rules to live by on Mume:

1. Trust in nobody.
2. Rely on nobody.
3. Believe in nobody.

Estonians have made every mud worse. Kill them all!

well i happened to meet kind people in MUME who have always helped me and teached me how to play, i don't play darkie cause i like white side tho

Well yeah there are the few nice people... but the nice one's are the one's that always get screwed over... and genereally the nice one's a lowbies and can't really help any way! legends think that there better then any one and if your not a legend then why waste there time talking to you! We are all the same dammit! so you stuck up bastards quick thinking your better then me! cuz your not:p and im sure that if you died you would want some help A? so help others that need it.

I couldn't agree more... you know, I have a friend who asked Ypsilon for a couple gold a couple of days before he ripped to lowbie orcs, and he said that he had none... then come to find out he has around 5 k gold... what in the heck is he gonna do with that much gold?? is it so bad to spare a couple gold to needy folks? It just amazes me how stingy some people can be, and yes it is usually legends and up!

i also met nice legends o,o

Let me name all the jackass legend players: Lowyn, Carlton, Ypsilon, Zubr and his ugly .ee pack, Mestan, Zack, and LOTS more, my head hurts, can't think, bye.

"Stop wasting your time trying to bring morality. It's like shoveling shit against the tide. MUD's simply don't attract the wholesome-goodness types." - Go to Wikipedia and search for "eternal september." MUME does attract normal people they just get drowned out in the noise. A long long time ago, people at least treated each other decently, with a modicum of respect. Nobody is trying to impose morality on anyone, but I at least expect people to be generically polite. Unfortunately, there is this attitude here that since I will never meet you RL, I can be a total jerk to you (as some Malmo-kids explained to me).

X narrates 'Any legends come for overkill?'

that about sums it up :P

Mume is braindead ppl game(like me snakr and sogard and lukas) it cant ever become civilized ppl game.

and Androg

Interesting base of your problem you got there. :-)

MUME is a game for people... like me... wait, I don't even play any more!! Ah right... MUME is a game for people who've quit MUME... iinteresting... =)

we play mume for free, mostfuly, lets behave a little bit here. No need to be goddamn nice here, but at least lets dont do shitty things. I think the last thing i mentioned isnt so hard to do, ...errm for a normal ppl maybe.

You hear that Mithfalen, duendel, or whoever you are....

I hate mume too just lookit my log :)

face it Mar, you sux

Oh? well why is your name unknown you moron, why cant you just tell me your name with a little star next to it so you dont try to pin this on mithfalen or somthing, Jeez I apologized to Vaire and yes, she did read the log, Mithfalen had told me over MSN what vaire said. And i dont 'sux' You 'sux' Because you cant be a man and grow some balls to reveal your name to me you idiot.

I though we were talking about how there was a lack of decency here in MUME :- S

what is wrong is that ppl tak advantage off certian situtaions which they can get away with like killin ppl linkless caue they have good equ (spoff) i think ppl should just turn on dicks like that!

I've noticed that darkies are generally much nicer to each other than whities.
However, I always try to help people when they ask, though I mostly avoid asking for help myself, simply because it makes me feel super lousy (and noone would help me because I'm a sucky estonian).
I suggest this to other people as well (of course, excluding the sucky estonian part). Help others, but don't beg for help youself unless in a really great need. And remember that you can make sure there is at least one nice person on MUME simply by being nice yourself.

Darkies and whities are the same people, dont forget that :/

For someone saying 'please' and 'thank you' I always have some spare coins, enchant and willing to mix any lore... But, if you don't want to get any help from that sucky estonian, then I won't give any.

Its a matter of ppl differences point of views to a game. Some saw games from the entertaining pov. Some get into games too much. So.. just take it easy.

I am estonian philosophiar.
I make good quote for yuo today.
Today quote is
"Estonian rule mume"
thank u
-EestiPhilosophr

have you ever noticed that a hero couldnt take two seconds out of there precios time and help a newbie or spare some cash for a poor old worker.not to mention legends how couldnt care less about anyone lesser of them.and that is whats wrong with mume players.

Why bother when we know your gonna to mobrip with the crap we give you, and then bitch at us to get your corpse, your get you some new stuff. If we give you something, your going to just keep asking for more, so why bother?

THREE FUCKING WORDS. FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

What we must do is not worry if they are going to ask for more or lose what we give them, we must help, or we should at least, if i have spare eq and spare gold, why dont actually give it an use and give to someone who needs it?, think that you are the one who is in need, now many will say "no one ever helps me even if i do" but ...if you are helping is not because you expect something back but because you like to do it, or you can do it, i keep helping and barely ask for help because i like to do so, now lets say what crap you say about this

annoyedlegend sounds like carlton...

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Hai

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Let me name all the jackass legend players: Lowyn, Carlton, Ypsilon, Zubr and his ugly .ee pack, Mestan, Zack, and LOTS more, my head hurts, can't think, bye.

I dont agree, zubr was very nice to me the other day.

got a problem with no help? make a clan with a few people your friends with, and just re eq eachother and watch eachothers backs...

C'mon I understand all those fellings etc. But hey first of all it is just a game. And reeqing is the part of this game as well. So if you don't like to reeq urself, dont play? I got used to the thing that when I die noone helps though I'm helping If I can all the time sparing money or whatever I can spare. I also noticed that when i am like good-eqed I become more carefull avoiding pk situations fearing to loose the eq I have, and when I am eqless there's no such thing as you have 'nothing to loose' in your mind. So don't you think that reeq is fun? The most unpleasant thing is when some group asks you to help 'em very quickly to do some shit (like BW or FoY) and when we come there darkies come as well and kill only you smalooting you. And this group doesn't even care to help you with something. But still don't help the ppl who you don't know? Everything in this game firstly depends on you, on your decision. Learn to survive. :)

And btw when shit like that happens remember the words of one kewl pop song:
I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down
And you'll be ok! gl!

I agree the game is this way because thats how they made it. If you didnt loot then besides xp why would you go outa your way to kill another orc when theres a good chance your gonna die. I myself am good with leaving darkies eq alone when I kill but if i see a full set of gleaming or anything decent I will surely take. And as for re-eqing its pretty much my whole game. You need to make friends in this game to survive, you have to help people before they just go outa their way to help you. When i ask for help many people try to help me. So play the game as it was made and have fun

Most people on mume suffer from obesity, schizophrenia, inability to spell, dyslexia, paranoia, ADD, mental illness, dementia, or at least two brain related diseases.

Well, if i would fight someone solo i wouldnt take his goodies if he die anyways.. There are to few players left that offers a fair fight so those are rare. And the fact that if u play somewhat fair yourself (not constantly hanging around in overkill-groups, but looking for fair fights), u WILL get trapped and overkilled and spamlooted... so getting nice equipment wont help for that long + the feeling of loosing nice set that makes u wanna "quit now"

Hi :) . most of poeple in mume are unhelpfull particularly legends who are just arrogant sorry to say it but its the truth.
i hate the periode post dying its the periode when u have to beg money its so humiliating to ask money and its more humiliating when u see that no one care about you . its rare that someone spare some cash . so most of the time i have to kill robbers and thiefs to get money but as a heavy warrior it takes me a whole day to afford decent equipement
also last day i was in rivendell and i just can't find my way back to bree . i just kept lost in moors and impossible to find old east road so i returned rivendell and asked if someone going bree and no one answer exept one person who told me to go s s s w w e ..ect (sorry i don't remember) . so I tried once more to find my way to bree i got lost don't know where i was attacked by a troll i mannaged to flee i was moveless ...ect at last i arrive bree and at my surprise most of poeple who were in rivendell are in bree lol . however the positive thing from all this is that i got tps :)

I think the majority of pukes will expect you to learn it yourself or get help from some other puke who doesn't pk, and the darkies just 'expect' you to be experienced if you are on a darkie. Just remember that at one point those snotty types of people had to learn also, and they weren't always experienced. In my opinion, you could know all you want about the puke side, be a decent/good player on the puke side, and come create a darkie and start all over again, because it is a whole different ball game.

People give up to easy. MUME is not like other "similiar" games out there, like Diablo 2 or WoW. You are not guaranteed to get your EQ back. People seems to have a hard time understanding that once they die, NOTHING in their corpse belongs to them anymore.
You see whines like "why did you spam-loot my corpse, A-hole!" everyday on RR. I dunno why people won't accept the simple fact that it's not their EQ anymore. It's probably caused by the more traditional view, "No big deal if I die, my EQ is saved anyway" and ppl have simply got used to it.

I think most pukes are helpful and if they're not, you might want to keep in mind that they might be busy with killing nasty orcs or something like that and they simply don't have time to talk to you.
Personally, I always help out when I can but I think ppl should try more, not narrate after directions to some quest-item before they even try to find out where the place is themselves.

Of course there are stupid people who are rude and think many newbies are stupid just because they don't know where area A is. Keep in mind that those rude fellas has been newbies themselves :)

Exactly my point earlier, they WERE newbies themselves at one point.

However, I must add that sometimes it can be and IS frustrating when you are asked for help, aid the person that is asking for it, and then to have them constantly depend and ask for the same things over and over, or to lead them around constantly, to exp them, or to get them this or that, it becomes TIRING.

So sometimes, even though I enjoy helping people (especially the baby bn's I find about), when you see the same requests, by the same people daily, its annoying, and you feel they really aren't learning anything for themselves, or have the desire to do so on their own. I think many people might decline the aid to others simply because of the dependency on it.

I don't have a problem helping people most of the time, but when the opportunity to pk comes about and I feel I have helped enough, then I enjoy a break from the lowbies/newbies.

good answer elizalde.
i like to help people too but when its from the same people with the same question it gets tiring after a while.

in darky side i always got help by legends i ask for money and got 40 gold some times but in puke side......shit ppl u ask for money and they say no...
puke side is a shitie! all group legends will never help u...

my names unkown.

i think my theory of ppl on mume specialy puke side is becuz most ppl on puke are newbie and they die alot to darkys (bcuz darky more experienced etc) and bcuz puke side they wanna win too they call numbers to overkilltrap and such so shit like that.... then they get all cocky like their big or smth and dont spare u shit

I think there are probably many MORE newbies/lowbies on the whitie side of the game, asking for gold and misc. help from legends, since the amount of players on that side is higher.

Plus, darkies are so much more spread out. The lowbies in noc, probably don't ask a bn that is not nearby, unless he knows the bn, and certainly cannot ask a troll if not grouped, and likewise with trolls asking orcs, unless they come into warrens. The bn's probably ask for help more if they notice someone in the zone or end up making their way to warrens/dt/brolg where there is always someone nearby.

It is when people become more mobile and around level 9-21 that they begin the 'xp me' spam. They will wait at Brolg/DT/Noc/Warrens, just waiting for someone to walk in that isn't doing anything. That can be annoying when it starts to happen everyday, or even when your busy and come into one of those places and see that this person has talked someone else into it already. Only because its very repetitive.

Celestine said that Darkies are Generally much nicer to one another than whities, and with good reason. If Sauron's minions have a disagreement, they can happily just wipe each other out to prove their point, they won't suffer for it except maybe a "what is your problem" tell, which can be happily answered with another PK, more xp for someone's cheek etc.

On the Free People's side, there are considerations of alignment, and having to pray 'Some git is annoying me because I won't give him a gold coin, can I pk him?', having to post logs to back yourself up. I think this is not Tolkien-esque or particularly RP-friendly (yup, I enjoy RPing in a PK MUD, flame all you want.)

Many of the real heroes of Tolkien have killed other people "on the same side" (or tried to) in Tolkien's books (Turin Turambar, The Noldor (esp Feanor and Sons), Tuor and Maeglin, Eol and Maeglin/Aredhel, Thingol and The Dwarves, Dior and The Sons of Feanor, The list goes on and on and on, and these were meant to be the good guys.

In my experience, there are groups of people on the Free People's side who are willing to offer help, advice and even the odd piece of eq (or if they won't give you eq, they will help you get it). I may have led an extremely sheltered MUME life, but I say that it's not a bad MUD for cooperation. Also, asking legend chars for money/eq might not be advisable (I've READ how much they want for a one room legendhome with lockable door now.), even though I haven't made hero at time of posting, I understand your considerations.

Most of my former group have graduated onto Guild Wars, having the sort of imagination that prefers pictures so their brain has less work to do. And it is apparently VERY cliqueish, far worse than us. Plus there comms channels are full of "OMG j00 suck n00b!" and other things that would give me plenty of reason to swing for people RL.

My final point. People are very brave when hiding behind the anonimity of a persona, there's nothing can be done about this.

T

who are the helpers then on mume?

I have always recieved coins/eq from Benno, Tryalno and Alosa.

Personally I've never had such a problem. Whenever I've died there has been someone willing to help me out.